Ryan Posey aka SPYfanman-Where is the birthday card (certificate of Authenticity) ?

[FLymon]

...Did I believe in what I was selling, the way I was selling it, and those reasons why the upgrades were made? Wholeheartedly. At the time, did I have all the information regarding general term usage and how "most" members interpret those terms here? Apparantly not so. Did I ever mention that it was "original" or BNIB? No.

Count me as a first time ignore list user as well.

You can call it what you want because you included a picture?
Because you believe you enhanced the knife, that makes it so?
You will allow yourself to believe an out of warranty product can be sold as "new and and has never been used" with no mention of major modifications?
You pay lip service to the generally accepted terms and conditions on Bladeforums, then steadfastly refuse to honor them?

I hope you choose to never return here, or find yourself invited to leave. This wont be the last "misunderstanding" with you I'm sure.

 

[wolfmann601]

Why don't you simply return the man's money and repost the Sebenza stating it's status as accurately as you can? One can avoid all this crap by simply maintaining that "a deal is not a deal until both parties are happy."
The seller is wrong because the buyer is unhappy, pretty simple FACT!!!!

 

[Pete1977]

SPYfanman-

If a dozen long-time members say that you are in the wrong and that things are done on Bladeforums in a particular way, and you are the ONLY person that thinks you are in the right, chances are that you aren't....

You have been here since August, Ebay feedback means absolute zip on Bladeforums. dinokay is not happy with the transaction. On bladeforums, when the buyer is not satisfied with the knife you sent for whatever reason, you refund his money.

Posting the definition of "new" from the dictionary??? really??? Selling a knife as "new" and failing to mention that it is no longer covered by warranty because you modified it is deceptive whether you did so accidentally or intentionally. Refund the man his money. The knife community isn't very big and if you think that this info won't find its way to the other knife forums, you are sadly mistaken...You've pretty much done irreparable damage to your reputation but at least you can do the right thing and salvage some of your reputation.

Who cares how rude dinokay was? he is out almost $600 for a knife that isn't what he expected because you modified it. If I were out that kind of money I'd be rude too. Negative iTrader feedback? This isn't Ebay pal...get it straight.

dinokay, see if Spark can remove the negative feedback from your iTrader, it was uncalled for and a pretty spiteful move on SPYfanman's part. low class SPYfanman :thumbdn:

 

[jill jackson]

Seller is FOS, about eBay anyway. I've bought a knife off eBay, before that was represented as new. When I received it, it was far from new and the seller didn't want to take it back. He said the pictures showed it to be "new" and eBay would see that. eBay forced him to refund my money and if he hadn't done so, they would have refunded it and taken the matter up with him and then if he'd tried to weasel out of paying eBay the money, they would have BANNED him. no matter how good his prior feedback there was!

 

[Morrow]

I guess I broke my own silence by responding to a comment that "screams" a response necessary ....or maybe not. Deafening silence on my part means screaming guilty? - Try reading post #56 again before you make a comment. Most noteably, the part where I say "I think there is nothing more to say on my part that hasn't already been said in my defense so the future of this thread will be in the hands of the majority."



One Final Note:

As my final words on the matter, I think it less of "manning up" and more of "standing up for what one believes in". Did I believe in what I was selling, the way I was selling it, and those reasons why the upgrades were made? Wholeheartedly. At the time, did I have all the information regarding general term usage and how "most" members interpret those terms here? Apparantly not so. Did I ever mention that it was "original" or BNIB? No. Did I deliberatly leave those words out to try to "swindle" some lucky soul or sucker that person into a deal which would most likely leave both parties with a foul taste in the mouth? No. Had I been a good "swindler" or "scammer", would I ever bother to respond and read comments in this thread? I certainly think not. With over 200 plus transactions on Ebay, all positive totalling 100 percent rating, I think has earned me a little right to comment on scammers. Getting back to BladeForums....

So what follows next? Well, as already stated in my previous post, in light of the new information that has been so appreciatingly to my attention, definite changes will be made on MY part with future listings with regards to both item history and upholding Bladeforum's return policy in event both parties are not satisfied. As far as this situation, there was never any mention of a "no returns policy" in the original thread. Not out of intention to swindle but rather never had a problem in the past with this issue. Had Mr. Kalaitzidis responded upon receiving the knife in respectful, non-rude manner or even just told me his concerns about the knife in the first place instead of heading straight to a third party, this thread probably wouldn't even exist. Had he not trashed my original sales thread and also made what were (respectful) private messages all public then this thread probably wouldn't exist. Does it make sense if one is having a problem with a neighbor to go directly to the police and file a complaint instead of first trying to talk with that neighbor to work it out? Yes, Mr. Kalaitzidis can come out now and say he said this and that and I didn't respond or did respond but the timeline is all recorded and evidence submitted to Paypal. It is where he originally chose to take it.
Will this "standing up for what one believes in" negatively effect my ability to buy and sell here? Maybe it already has and nothing can be done about it. To those individuals that see a less than 100 percent feedback score and deem that individual as inadequate or untrustworthy to buy and sell amongst the others, well so be it? Those individuals would also fail to take into account both what was mentioned here on my part regarding FUTURE dealings on Bladeforums with respect to policy matters and general listing terms and how I would modify them this point forward. Those individuals would also fail to see the previous POSITIVE feedback which greatly outnumber the one undeserved NEGATIVE feeback. Should those individuals comprise the majority of persons buying and selling on Bladeforums Exchange, then perhaps my future buying and selling options do indeed look bleak going into the future.

You certainly got this part right.

 

[Danbo]

Yep, another added to my ignore list.

 

[coop1957]

Thanks you. :thumbup: At least one person sees it from my point of view. Now, since everyone has their own idea as to the definition of "new", behold as quoted straight from Merriam-Webster Dictionary found here:



Definition of NEW
1: having recently come into existence : recent, modern
2a (1) : having been seen, used, or known for a short time : novel <rice was a new crop for the area> (2) : unfamiliar <visit new places> b : being other than the former or old <a steady flow of new money>
3: having been in a relationship or condition but a short time <new to the job> <a new wife>
4a : beginning as the resumption or repetition of a previous act or thing <a new day> <the new edition> b : made or become fresh <awoke a new person> c : relating to or being a new moon
5: different from one of the same category that has existed previously <new realism>
6: of dissimilar origin and usually of superior quality <a new strain of hybrid corn>
7capitalized : modern 3; especially : having been in use after medieval times


Nowhere listed are the terms, unaltered, unmodified, original, fresh from factory. Just the opposite - "original" is listed as an antonym of the word "new".


Nonetheless, it seems the general sentiment amongst forum members is that the definition of "new" should encompass the terms original, factory fresh. Or should it? I agree with ooitzoo in that the clarification of terms would be a good thing to be incorporated into Bladeforum's policy. I think there is nothing more to say on my part that hasn't already been said in my defense so the future of this thread will be in the hands of the majority.

In light of all the comments, particularly those more intelligent and respectful ones, two things will be carefully looked at and re-adjusted on my part in future listings to insure more pleasant transactions:

One, in keeping with Bladeforum's Policy, all future transactions will have to have both parties satisfied. If neither one is, then the deal is off despite buyer's rudeness, disrespect, and/or poor communication.

Two, now that sufficient light has been brought forth with regards to knife "history" vs "condition" and its importance to potential buyers even if it appeals to a minority and even if any changes have been made and can CLEARLY be seen, then they should be noted as well.

As far as this transaction goes, it is in PayPal's hands. I trust the good folks there will make the right decision and whatever they decide is just and fair, I will honor it, both in keeping with BladeForum's Policy and Paypal's Policy.

Spyman,
Did you ever do any advisory work for Bill Clinton?

 

[Tjc591]

Con man

 

[Simple Man]

. With over 200 plus transactions on Ebay, all positive totalling 100 percent rating, I think has earned me a little right to comment on scammers. Getting back to BladeForums....

For reference, what is your Ebay UserID? Thanks.

 

[Seanifred]

For reference, what is your Ebay UserID? Thanks.

yes please.

 

[RWS]

I kinda figured out how this would end up after this douche's first post.

Hopefully he'll be banned from here asap. This guy with his BS politician's pretzel logic is truly the antithesis of what being a respected and respectful member of a community of knife collectors is all about. To belong in a place where trust is vital, where the members do business with a handshake, where 99% of the deals are done by people who mindfully put our hobby first and make it a priority to make a deal go smoothly and ethically, requires a lot more than a con artist douchebag like this could ever give.

This guy is no good.

 

[scarysharp]

SPYfanman sounds like a scammer to me

The parsing of words to try and make a reasonable argument is lame.
Return the dudes money, and remind me to put you on the ignore,delete, and avoid list

 

[dsmegst]

Wow, SPYfanman, you're a piece of work. You're intellectually dishonest and perhaps you even managed to convince yourself that you're in the right but all I see is a scam. I've never had to put anyone on my ignore list but be honored that you're the very first.

 

[mqqn]

Spyman,
Did you ever do any advisory work for Bill Clinton?

I was thinking this same thought - I can remember the famous "It depends on what 'is' is" quote.

This all could be avoided by doing the right thing. Seems a waste to throw away a reputation rather than offer the refund.

best

mqqn

 

[CWL]

10+ years here on BF, seen plenty of scammers and BS and SPyfanman here is the first person I put on my ignore list.

It's up to PayPal to get Dino's money back.

Time to ban this scammer from BFC.

 

[Gastonknife]

10+ years here on BF, seen plenty of scammers and BS and SPyfanman here is the first person I put on my ignore list.

It's up to PayPal to get Dino's money back.

Time to ban this scammer from BFC.

I agree > SPY should be banned. He has earned that by his own admission. What a jerk!

 

[338375]

We aren't talking about a 30 dollar knife here, but even if it was, it wouldn't change anything. Knowingly leaving out very important details, that you know were done, because you did them, is what I would think would fall under THEFT BY DECEPTION...

Reverse the situation. If you had bought the knife, only to get it and find out the seller "forgot" to mention it was now a parts knife, can you honestly say you wouldn't be pissed, and want your almost 600 dollars back ?

If you say, " No it wouldn't bother me ", I think it would be a safe bet, you are lying. Given the dribble you have posted so far, it wouldn't surprise me though...

Why didn't you just own up to what you did , and stop using excuses like, " I don't keep my things very organized ", give the buyer back his money and you can relist the knife honestly and resale it. The way you have handled yourself here, is not how things are done on BF'S... Or anywhere for that matter. If a man's word is no good, and his morals and charcters are lacking, he has nothing...

 

[Luis G.]

I dont think this warrants a ban imho, a heavy infraction however is good to go. Now I don't know how the rules go as far as banishment but here's my two cents.
I will act as the devil's advocate.

Reasons for infractions against Spy:
#1 It was purposefully misleading and not disclosed that it was a modified CRK, NOT a NEW knife who's warranty is voided. This it self is bad, however a knife of substantial value was still given to the OP, it isn't a fake or counterfeit just modded and NOT as described. He could stand on grounds on the semantics on what is New but not original, however that is a dishonest however NOT illegal activity.

#2 The BF policy is both parties should be happy. If not, reverse the transaction or trade or find a suitable solution. This too was broken by Spyman.

Issues I have with the transaction:
The entire sale thread was puzzling to me as a witness. The OP was careless in purchasing a $550 knife without much questioning or research which would have revealed the incorrect framelock, and some hardware. The OP knew exactly what he was getting, he just didnt care to research enough to see if the pictures shown are actually showing what he was getting was indeed New as per his own definition. I mean really OP? You buy a knife that you didn't do research on only to later find out it isn't original.

When I buy a knife, or anything I take the seller's description with a grain of salt, and I do my OWN research to find out exactly the condition of the knife (sometimes scoring a great find on a seller's bad description, only to find it's something more valuable with my own research). Spyman is NOT an authorized dealer, you CANNOT take his word as fact, period. Ask questions, get it in writting (pm/email).

 

[Ken44]

For reference, what is your Ebay UserID? Thanks.

Yes, we would love to know this.

Hopefully he'll be banned from here asap.

Time to ban this scammer from BFC.

I agree > SPY should be banned. He has earned that by his own admission. What a jerk!

I agree.

Anyone that does not give full disclosure in an add should be infracted. The only reason this was done is because he felt it could affect his sale. A very low thing to do. He knows he should have told about the scale swap.

But, as in this case, if anyone does something this bad, and then they refuse to make it right needs to be banned from here. We don't need that type hurting this place.

 

[RevDevil]

This guy needs to be pushed overboard.