Sad day for me a ZT lover...

Blues Bender said:
Marketability/gullibility
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Yup. It is just marketing. Why people believe something that is meant to part you from your money I will never understand. When the rubber hits the road look at the warranty. That is the expected use and that is what is covered.
 
So because this guy used a knife for something it was not meant to do it is ZTs fault and their knives are just a marketing gimmick? Wow now I've heard everything.
 
Stays Sharp said:
Reading comprehension is fundamental sir.

I don't hammer with knives or pry with them.

I cut and slice with knives...
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I'm just curious whether you have any actual experience with ZT knives, or just an opinion on them based on perception. Also, there are very few manufacturers who don't claim that their knives are suitable for "hard use". Saying "paper cutting only" doesn't make for great marketing.
 
craytab said:
Yup. It is just marketing. Why people believe something that is meant to part you from your money I will never understand. When the rubber hits the road look at the warranty. That is the expected use and that is what is covered.
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Expected use??? So jamming your knife into an Oak log and using it to pry and trying to see if it fails test is intended use???
 
Ruggdogg87 said:
So because this guy used a knife for something it was not meant to do it is ZTs fault and their knives are just a marketing gimmick? Wow now I've heard everything.
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Are you speaking about what I said? If so, most companies that sell just about anything use some sort of marketing. ZT is no different. A ZT is not literally built like a tank, right? I have no problem with what ZT does. The problem comes when users believe the marketing instead of using common sense. I am realistic about all my knives. My ZTs have held up just fine with the way I have used them.
 
craytab said:
Are you speaking about what I said? If so, most companies that sell just about anything use some sort of marketing. ZT is no different. A ZT is not literally built like a tank, right? I have no problem with what ZT does. The problem comes when users believe the marketing instead of using common sense. I am realistic about all my knives. My ZTs have held up just fine with the way I have used them.
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People just need to use common sense is all I meant. You and I both know that knives are made for one thing really. And it just bugs me that ZT is thrown under the bus for something so silly. That's like saying my Ferrari is designed to go 200 MPH but I go my a ticket so it's their fault.
 
Ruggdogg87 said:
So because this guy used a knife for something it was not meant to do it is ZTs fault and their knives are just a marketing gimmick? Wow now I've heard everything.
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"Built like a tank"
"A real beast"
"Proudly overbuilt"
"Hard-Use Premium and Professional Knives"

If that's not marketing talk, then I don't know what is...
 
Spartan00 said:
Says the branch slayer :D
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Those branches had it coming. :D

craytab said:
Oh that was a classic.

My ZTs work just fine but I use them as knives. If you use them as something other than knives you can expect these types of issues. For further clarification, look at the warranty. That will tell you how ZT designed their knives to be used. It really is that simple.
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That was one heck of a thread. :)

I agree about checking the warranty provided by manufacturers.
It tells more about intended use than marketing copy does.
Go beyond what the warranty cover if you feel like it, but don't be surprised if something bad happens.
Many companies go beyond what their warranty states in individual cases, but that's a separate issue.
 
Stays Sharp said:
Whatever the case,

At least they LOOK tough, strong, overbuilt and that can never be questioned.

Doesn't matter which model ZT... if An OP comes in saying that it wasn't up to task... people here will say that knives are only for cutting and slicing and not abuse...
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People say that also when a Cold Steel knife breaks.
Or a Spyderco.
So what's your point?

pinnah said:
The ZT, like pretty much all knives is consumer products and one hyped as hard use. Buyers dutifully repeat the mantra to keep the fantasy alive and to justify their buying into it. Otherwise they have to admit they were duped somewhere along the line.
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Or they just like the knife, and don't repeat any mantras at all.
Psychoanalysing folks over the internet based on what brand or style of knife they bought is highly suspect. ;)

Unless, of course, they bought an Opinel...we all know what kind of freaks those people are. :D
 
Blues Bender said:
No, actually it's more like this:

"My Ferrari is designed to go 200mph, so I tried to scuba dive with it
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Lol that's a good analogy. I just think if you use their knives for what they are DESIGNED for then yes their marketing schemes match their knives performance. I have never had an issue with any of my ZT knives and I do use them. I guess I just can't understand why it's the knifes fault when it's used for the wrong job.
 
Ruggdogg87 said:
Lol that's a good analogy. I just think if you use their knives for what they are DESIGNED for then yes their marketing schemes match their knives performance. I have never had an issue with any of my ZT knives and I do use them. I guess I just can't understand why it's the knifes fault when it's used for the wrong job.
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In fact, if it's used as a cutting tool as intended, an Opinel is just as "hard use" and will perform better.

It is the knives fault, but mostly the users fault. He tried to pry/baton with a hard/brittle stainless steel, and it broke. If you're using a screwdriver as a hammer, it's the screwdrivers fault that it doesn't work well for such a job, but the user is more at blame for not knowing how to choose his tool properly.
 
Stays Sharp said:
This has happened before...

ZT is supposed to be tough overbuilt tanks...

Then the appologists come out attacking the OP for not using the knife properly... IMO, they are right of course, knives are not for hammering or prying... but when all is good and no one is complaining, then it's back to the status quo with ZT being this tough, overbuilt, over strong, cyborg knives...

If you're not supposed to do these things with these knives, then what's the point of making them tough, overbuilt, overstrong... What, they are only cutters and slicers when someone complains right? :p

Hey but it LOOKS tough, overbuilt, overstrong..That can never be questioned.
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Hehe, my thoughts exactly.
 
I know it's been mentioned a lot already, but batoning a folder doesn't mean much to me, just like spine wacking....

I can't judge anything based on that kind of use.
 
You almost need video to tell how well a knife should have held up.
I mean, there are people who break fixed blade knives that are noted for being tough!

I've used my ZT 0550 for a certain amount of prying; when the top of the wood coffee table was coming unlaminated, I used it to pry the veneer layer off, and scrape all the glue as well.
I've used it to pry in wood while camping a few times also, when a certain amount of prying was required.
But I'm certain I could find someone to hand it to who would find a way to break it within minutes, and then have no idea why it broke. ;)
 
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