Sad day for me a ZT lover...

I just googled the ZT0630 and it looks like the same class as the standard Griptilian to me, at a glance.

I don't know much about ZT knives though. I'm surprised the Grip did a good job. Not so much surprised that it could, but just surprised how amazing Benchmades are.

I could probably baton all day with the 300SN. It's like the hulk version of the Grip. Those knives that could puncture cars.
 
Use a fixed blade when batoning; problem solved! My folders are for urban and work carry, where I won't ever need to baton. When in the woods backpacking, hiking, camping etc, it's fixed blades all the way!
 
Gideons said:
So... When people say Elmax is a super steel what does that mean exactly? Like, I am no steel expert, but how is 154CM better at batoning? Would S30V be better than Elmax? What about D2? Also, the tip of the knife didn't break from batoning lol. Also, this isn't a fantasy situation, it would more be like a hellish situation.
Click to expand...

You my friend must buy the axe.......a hatchet ............whatever you call that tool :) And your ZT save for opening letters , packages and cut some sausage :D Batoninig ....prying in that wood /which is way wider than the length of blades/ with folder knive ? What did you expect to happen ???
 
Framelocks are finicky at best, they wear extremely quickly and if you want one to last it should never be subjected to stress intentionally.
Every time you apply shock or heavy pressure to a framelock it wears out a little more. That does apply to most other locks too, but the framelock (and linerlock) design is inherently much less stable than something like the Axis lock.
The reason manufacturers put framelocks on "hard use" knives is because the average customer values aesthetics and convenience over security. All your beefy framelock knives are like a cosplay version of Batman. Good for looks, nice to play with on the couch, but they will quickly fall apart under stress.

Yes, framelocks can be made strong, but then they're hard to unlock. In this design convenience and reliability are directly opposed, and people complain bitterly when convenience is compromised, so knifemakers give people what they want, aesthetically pleasing weak locks.
Simply put "framelocks sell", even if for all the wrong reasons.

(Edited for paragraphs)
 
Last edited:
Joshua J. said:
Framelocks are finicky at best, they wear extremely quickly and if you want one to last it should never be subjected to stress intentionally. Every time you apply shock or heavy pressure to a framelock it wears out a little more. That does apply to most other locks too, but the framelock (and linerlock) design is inherently much less stable than something like the Axis lock. The reason manufacturers put framelocks on "hard use" knives is because the average customer values aesthetics and convenience over security. All your beefy framelock knives are like a cosplay version of Batman. Good for looks, nice to play with on the couch, but they will quickly fall apart under stress. Yes, framelocks can be made strong, but then they're hard to unlock. In this design convenience and reliability are directly opposed, and people complain bitterly when convenience is compromised, so knifemakers give people what they want, aesthetically pleasing weak locks. Simply put "framelocks sell", even if for all the wrong reasons.
Click to expand...

We can agree to disagree because I absolutely do not agree with you. None of my frame locks have been "quick to fall apart" or "Worn extremely quickly". I have had some for many many years and they show no more wear than my new ones and are not hard to disengage and are in no way finicky. Never had an issue and I'm not sure where you are getting your information. Personal experience?
 
Joshua J. said:
Framelocks are finicky at best, they wear extremely quickly and if you want one to last it should never be subjected to stress intentionally. Every time you apply shock or heavy pressure to a framelock it wears out a little more. That does apply to most other locks too, but the framelock (and linerlock) design is inherently much less stable than something like the Axis lock. The reason manufacturers put framelocks on "hard use" knives is because the average customer values aesthetics and convenience over security. All your beefy framelock knives are like a cosplay version of Batman. Good for looks, nice to play with on the couch, but they will quickly fall apart under stress. Yes, framelocks can be made strong, but then they're hard to unlock. In this design convenience and reliability are directly opposed, and people complain bitterly when convenience is compromised, so knifemakers give people what they want, aesthetically pleasing weak locks. Simply put "framelocks sell", even if for all the wrong reasons.
Click to expand...

Good to know! I just tossed $1,000 worth of framelocks into the trash, thank you for such valuable knowledge:thumbup::thumbup:
 
Joshua J. said:
All your beefy framelock knives are like a cosplay version of Batman. Good for looks, nice to play with on the couch, but they will quickly fall apart under stress.
Click to expand...

...do go on... Intriguing stuff...

What . The . Hell ?

Oh man, I'm sorry, but I literally have not stopped laughing for at least a full 30 seconds! [emoji38][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

It's good to know that cosplay Batman is good for looks and nice to play with on the couch, but will quickly fall apart under stress. :thumbup:
 
AntDog said:
...do go on... Intriguing stuff...

What . The . Hell ?

Oh man, I'm sorry, but I literally have not stopped laughing for at least a full 30 seconds! [emoji38][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

It's good to know that cosplay Batman is good for looks and nice to play with on the couch, but will quickly fall apart under stress. :thumbup:
Click to expand...

How does he know such a thing. Got any evidence to back that up?
 
AntDog said:
It's good to know that cosplay Batman is good for looks and nice to play with on the couch, but will quickly fall apart under stress. :thumbup:
Click to expand...

There are so many thing I want to say right now, but I'll refrain due to where we're at...

:D
 
Blues Bender said:
Good to know! I just tossed $1,000 worth of framelocks into the trash, thank you for such valuable knowledge:thumbup::thumbup:
Click to expand...

So , which part of his post is not correct ....... maybe this ?? Can we see video how you batoning , prying hard wood with that $ 1,000 framelock :D Or you have an ax for that :D


Joshua J. said:
Framelocks are finicky at best, they wear extremely quickly and if you want one to last it should never be subjected to stress intentionally. Every time you apply shock or heavy pressure to a framelock it wears out a little more. That does apply to most other locks too, but the framelock (and linerlock) design is inherently much less stable than something like the Axis lock. The reason manufacturers put framelocks on "hard use" knives is because the average customer values aesthetics and convenience over security. All your beefy framelock knives are like a cosplay version of Batman. Good for looks, nice to play with on the couch, but they will quickly fall apart under stress. Yes, framelocks can be made strong, but then they're hard to unlock. In this design convenience and reliability are directly opposed, and people complain bitterly when convenience is compromised, so knifemakers give people what they want, aesthetically pleasing weak locks. Simply put "framelocks sell", even if for all the wrong reasons.
Click to expand...
 
Joshua J. said:
Framelocks are finicky at best, they wear extremely quickly and if you want one to last it should never be subjected to stress intentionally. Every time you apply shock or heavy pressure to a framelock it wears out a little more. That does apply to most other locks too, but the framelock (and linerlock) design is inherently much less stable than something like the Axis lock. The reason manufacturers put framelocks on "hard use" knives is because the average customer values aesthetics and convenience over security. All your beefy framelock knives are like a cosplay version of Batman. Good for looks, nice to play with on the couch, but they will quickly fall apart under stress. Yes, framelocks can be made strong, but then they're hard to unlock. In this design convenience and reliability are directly opposed, and people complain bitterly when convenience is compromised, so knifemakers give people what they want, aesthetically pleasing weak locks. Simply put "framelocks sell", even if for all the wrong reasons.
Click to expand...

I see five guys I know here who say you're wrong, myself being the fifth.
 
Blues Bender said:
There are so many thing I want to say right now, but I'll refrain due to where we're at...

:D
Click to expand...

You do not have to say anything , it is enough to show us that your $ 1,000 framelock knive can this :)

dwvvgj.png
 
Joshua J. said:
Framelocks are finicky at best, they wear extremely quickly and if you want one to last it should never be subjected to stress intentionally. Every time you apply shock or heavy pressure to a framelock it wears out a little more. That does apply to most other locks too, but the framelock (and linerlock) design is inherently much less stable than something like the Axis lock. The reason manufacturers put framelocks on "hard use" knives is because the average customer values aesthetics and convenience over security. All your beefy framelock knives are like a cosplay version of Batman. Good for looks, nice to play with on the couch, but they will quickly fall apart under stress. Yes, framelocks can be made strong, but then they're hard to unlock. In this design convenience and reliability are directly opposed, and people complain bitterly when convenience is compromised, so knifemakers give people what they want, aesthetically pleasing weak locks. Simply put "framelocks sell", even if for all the wrong reasons.
Click to expand...


I have a couple Ti Walker Linerlocks that haven't quickly fallen apart under stress. Both are still going strong.

I must have gotten lucky.

qqyjcp.jpg


wva4uw.jpg


2nv5k5d.jpg
 
Framelocks/Linerlocks inherently get must get weaker over time as the frame is the locking mechanism itself which needs to be bent and stressed to lock and so wear comes with it leading it to be weaker.

The locking bar on an Axis is independent of the locking mechanism (the springs) which will wear but the bar should structural integrity remains intact.

Not saying a frame lock will crumble compared to something like Axis, just saying in theory (and cheapo knives), framelocks design must weekend by the stress used in design. Over some time, which could be just long as other mechanisms. Doh.
 
Late to the show, but I think it's hilarious. :thumbup:

later that day, he used his ford ranger to pull out a dodge.

[video=youtube;dw1xZxUssfs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw1xZxUssfs[/video]
 
I'd be more worried the springs would break in the Axis before my framelock goes flaccid.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top