SALE ISSUE - KNIFE NOT RECEIVED

[91bravo]

I have plenty of history on different Facebook group. He invited me here so I followed him and trusted him. You say "Coming here demanding actions with no history isn't the best approach" ?!? What do you mean? I should be waiting a couple of months and make a couple of trades on blade forum before demanding action? You realize that it doesn't make sense? The seller didn't want to go on Facebook and asked me to come here. I created an account on BF to ease the transaction. My lack of history here should not be a factor. I'm very transparent about everything.

Well, you started out the gate calling the seller a scammer. Whether he is or isn’t, is to be seen. You immediately gave negative feedback calling him a scammer. You also went into the sale thread demanding actions. I get you’re upset, it was your perceived tone. The seller still hasn’t logged in, so we haven’t heard the other side of the story yet. Again, I view new members with no history with a little skepticism, that’s all.

 

[SimonLG]

Dropping a fixed blade inside a bubble lined envelop, without any other protection around the item is inadequate. This is shoddy packaging and shipping by the seller (if that is indeed the way which he did it) which he will have to consider taking responsibilities for the risk factor.

There are some however factors though:

The sales thread clearly states that the knife weighs 7 oz which leads me to believe that the shown weight of 10.1 oz shown on the stamp (label) to be a very strong evidence that the seller dropped the knife in its kydex sheath inside that envelop. The recipient's address is also a Mail drop and pick up third party place which means one additional link in this saga.

Question to buyer: did you not feel the envelop before you opened it? Did it not look suspicious enough to you the it was an empty envelop as you claim? It is natural for you to be very irritated and upset but to put the onus on the seller at this point to accuse him of being a SCAMMER (your way of typing this in his feedback) is not a determined fact yet.

I am not sure to understand the point of your questions but I will answer nonetheless. I felt the envelope before opening it and YES it looked obviously suspicious. What was I supposed to do? Not opening it? There was tape already on one end. Anyone could have claimed that I opened it and put tape back myself. What would I have gain from not opening it?

I agree that I accused him quickly of being a scammer and I change the title of the thread. I also wrote him more messages on eBay and Gmail to try to work with him. What else do you want me to do?

 

[SimonLG]

Well, you started out the gate calling the seller a scammer. Whether he is or isn’t, is to be seen. You immediately gave negative feedback calling him a scammer. You also went into the sale thread demanding actions. I get you’re upset, it was your perceived tone. The seller still hasn’t logged in, so we haven’t heard the other side of the story yet. Again, I view new members with no history with a little skepticism, that’s all.

I understand your point of you. I'll also repeat here that it is true that I was angry and quick to call him a scammer. I changed the title of the thread. Let's wait and see.

 

[91bravo]

I understand your point of you. I'll also repeat here that it is true that I was angry and quick to call him a scammer. I changed the title of the thread. Let's wait and see.

Well, the package weighed 10 oz when the seller shipped. From the facts presented here, it looks like your knife was taken after the seller had shipped it.

 

[Sharp & Fiery]

Thanks for your input. I'm in agreement with everything that you say. I'm Canadian and I use Border Mail Depot in the State of New York all the time. I never had any issues with them. I picked up 8 other packages without issues on the same day the "Busse envelope" arrived. Obviously I cannot eliminate the possibility that a new employee opened the envelope but the window of action would be pretty small. The package was delivered at 10am and I picked it up around 1pm. Furthermore, nothing from the outside could indicate that it contained something cool inside. Looks like a lot of risks to take for the employee for no certain rewards if you see what I mean.

And NO, I am not trying to defraud the seller or USPS. I am very honest and transparent. I invited the seller on FB. I am very quick to give my phone number and personnal information. I have nothing to hide.

I’m curious to why you use Border Mail Depot and not have it shipped directly to you? Just a question, as I am also Canadian.

 

[Jack of All Blades]

Bad Thread 'UPS Delivered opened/empty "package"?'

Nov 26, 2021

Not related to bladeforums as the transaction was over Ebay, But figured it would make a good PSA. Today I received a package from UPS that was torn open and emptied out. I was in the driveway reading the mail when I saw the UPS guy drive up, walk to my door and deliver the package. I noticed he was looking at me kind of strange like he was nervous or was in a rush (didn't think anything of it since their usually busy around this time of the year. After about a minute I went to go inside and low and behold the package had a massive hole in it and was ever so light. I immediately knew the...

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From my experience UPS/USPS have no problem delivering empty damaged packages. It’s imperative to pack your items accordingly.

 

[Sharp & Fiery]

Another question…you had to go pick up your packages…so when you got the envelope, which I assume was flat, why didn’t you reject the delivery and have them return to sender?

I’m assuming you had to sign for them?

 

[Mick Boardman]

I have only needed the mods once to get what I paid for. The seller finally shipped my knives. I didn’t wade into clear and calm waters and stir up the mud before asking another “can you help me find my glasses, they fell in here somewhere “. I had not upset the seller in any way,no names or labels or accusations called out. I presented my case to a super moderator (thanks again Frank) and he got my knives for me. Seller seems to have disappeared from the forums,not seen him here since. To add to this, every case may be different, but there is a right way and wrong way to go about things.

 

[SimonLG]

Another question…you had to go pick up your packages…so when you got the envelope, which I assume was flat, why didn’t you reject the delivery and have them return to sender?

I’m assuming you had to sign for them?

I should have done what you described when I received the envelope. I didn't take the appropriate action right of the bat. I should have done what you described but I was post night shift and I couldn't think straight and acted too quickly. I'm guilty of that.

 

[SimonLG]

I have only needed the mods once to get what I paid for. The seller finally shipped my knives. I didn’t wade into clear and calm waters and stir up the mud before asking another “can you help me find my glasses, they fell in here somewhere “. I had not upset the seller in any way,no names or labels or accusations called out. I presented my case to a super moderator (thanks again Frank) and he got my knives for me. Seller seems to have disappeared from the forums,not seen him here since. To add to this, every case may be different, but there is a right way and wrong way to go about things.

I am not familiar with the way of the forum. Just tell me what I should be doing to get my knife or money back. I have said about 10 times now that I shouldn't have called him a scammer right away. Since then I have changed the name of the thread. What else do you want me to do? I already admitted for judging too quickly. Do you think that we could moved pass that and focus on finding the knife and the money? Isn't it the most important aspect of the situation?

 

[SharpBits]

Remember, no one here can get you your knife or money back, sometimes the mods can apply appropriate pressure to get things moving in the right direction, however.

We still haven't heard from the seller which is concerning.

 

[Blues]

Seller doesn't show as having been online here since Tuesday at 4:46 PM

Not sure what, if any, conclusion can be drawn from that at this juncture.

 

[Mick Boardman]

Remember, no one here can get you your knife or money back, sometimes the mods can apply appropriate pressure to get things moving in the right direction, however.

We still haven't heard from the seller which is concerning.

It is a concern seller has not chimed in, but the package had the correct weight when the seller shipping it. Next time have the package sent to where you live, not a 3rd party. Knife grew legs when it hit the Canadian border, that what it looks like.Its easy to get busy in life and miss a couple three days of bladeforums fun,let’s wait for the seller to reply.

 

[Blues]

Let's hold off on all the disparaging comments. The seller still has to answer for his choice of packaging, which, if the knife was stolen enroute, may have contributed to the temptation of "easy pickings" for someone who might not have jumped at a package which did not appear to be "low hanging fruit".

This matter is not yet settled, and we must hear from the seller before any ultimate conclusions can be drawn or inferred.

 

[DennisM]

I personally believe that the seller should reimburse me and make the claim himself to cut his loss.

Pick your battles. I think once given time the seller will make good.

The insurance payment would go to the seller from USPS, so the seller must make the claim.

Not true.

The onus of an USPS insurance claim is on the shipper. Buyer has no recourse.

Not true.

in noticing a 3rd-party involved

What I pointed out as well. "the label does not look like it was generated at the USPS though so maybe it was stolen at the originating second party shipper."

 

[Boru13]

Regardless of positive feedback, transactions etc., any seller that ships a knife in a envelope, padded or not is a piss poor seller in my opinion.

 

[SharpBits]

I ordered a slip joint from England a couple of years ago and it was also shipped in an inadequate envelope. Of course, it disappeared somewhere between the seller and me. I received an empty envelope. The seller refunded my money as they should have.

The knife might have torn through the envelope during the sort. If the knife and the envelope are separated, it would be impossible for the shipping company to put together. That's why you need internal labels as we as external labels.

 

[SimonLG]

Remember, no one here can get you your knife or money back, sometimes the mods can apply appropriate pressure to get things moving in the right direction, however.

We still haven't heard from the seller which is concerning.

Remember, no one here can get you your knife or money back, sometimes the mods can apply appropriate pressure to get things moving in the right direction, however.

We still haven't heard from the seller which is concerning.

You are right! I know that nobody can get my knife or money back. I didn't express myself properly. That being said, I would like some pressure on the seller and explanations from him. IF he was dishonest I would also like the community to be aware.

 

[SimonLG]

Pick your battles. I think once given time the seller will make good.

Not true.

Not true.

What I pointed out as well. "the label does not look like it was generated at the USPS though so maybe it was stolen at the originating second party shipper."

Thanks for your input! I hope to have a reply from the seller soon but so far it is radio silence on BF, Gmail and eBay.

 

[Nuker]

The insurance payment would go to the seller from USPS, so the seller must make the claim.

Not necessarily true. Read the sentence next to the red mark.
But, the sender probably has the original receipt & so should file.