Schatt & Morgan Keystone Series #69 - Barlow ?

esnyx said:
Ok, all of my suspicions have been confirmed.

Aaaand here is my proof:

The victims

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Zee proof is in zee pudding...
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esnyx, thanks for this post and photo's. I'm looking forward to Charlies dissection! :D
 
Let's be patient, folks. How many "medical examiners" do autopsies on holiday weekends? :)

- GT
 
I started this thread then wished I hadn't now I am dying for a full detailed autopsy of said knife and Charlie 's conclusions! Oh yeah I can't wait then again maybe I will be proven a nut case because I can't handle the truth as Mike (aka as Jack Nicholson) so boldly proclaimed on the knife forum Big Screen!
 
Luger1952 said:
I started this thread then wished I hadn't now I am dying for a full detailed autopsy of said knife and Charlie 's conclusions! Oh yeah I can't wait then again maybe I will be proven a nut case because I can't handle the truth as Mike (aka as Jack Nicholson) so boldly proclaimed on the knife forum Big Screen!
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No, no, no -- I just couldn't make that picture tell me the same thing the knife was telling you :D

Because if what you were seeing is true, somebody needs to walk up behind a QC person and thump them on the back of the head ;)

If you saw it and Derrick saw it, that is probably what it is. Just a large pill for me to swallow.
 
Mike I am just kidding you a bit! I LIKE your gusto and enthusiasm for the traditional folders my friend.

All the best
 
Luger and Mike, your respectful difference of opinions (or interpretation of the data, or whatever) MADE this thread! :thumbup:
I don't think anyone involved needs to apologize. ;)

- GT
 
I should get the knife on Tuesday!
My people are having trouble contacting Geraldo's people, though . . .:eek:

:D
 
knifeswapper said:
No, no, no -- I just couldn't make that picture tell me the same thing the knife was telling you :D

Because if what you were seeing is true, somebody needs to walk up behind a QC person and thump them on the back of the head ;)

If you saw it and Derrick saw it, that is probably what it is. Just a large pill for me to swallow.
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Me too, I like this particular series of knives, and have been picking them up here and there in an effort to gather a small collection of the ones that tickle my fancy. Finding out that the shields are solder-screw-pin-glue-whatever attached, gives me pause. It feels like when you see the man behind the curtain in the Wizard of Oz.
 
True to his word, as usual, Derrick from KnivesShipFree sent the knife in question off to me straightaway - no charge!!

Queen has a long history of making Barlows!
They go back wayyy before the ones I have pictured here!
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The bottom one has a one piece wrap-around aluminum frame, which includes the bolsters!! There are a couple of contract knives in there too.
Our subject knife is in there too!
Here it is again, by itself.
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In no way is it my intention to badmouth Queen! This knife just slipped through the cracks IMO. Someone in QC was thinking about sitting next to that pretty woman in the packaging department at lunch!
"My face is up here, Freddy!"!! (What a creep!)
Ahem . . . . . .the knife, the knife!!

So the tools of the trade!!
Old, thinly-ground kitchen knife, Wally-world hammer, 11/16" chunk of flat steel, and an advertising folder made up of a few layers of card paper, to keep from scratching up the knife. Leather works good too.
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A bad picture of the knife's innards! Through a magnifying glass!
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Layed the paper over the steel plate, and aligned the kitchen blade along the pile liner, and alongside the Queen blade tang. The minimal gap that keeps the blade free is a good place to start. Fingers clear, a couple of good raps with the hammer drives the blade right through the pivot pin!!
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Move the blade back a little, stand everything up again, and rap the Kitchen blade through the other pins!
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Phase Two:

The knife falls neatly in half! The errant pin only went through one liner, the one behind the shield, as many suspected.
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Close-up clearly shows what is going on - ugh!
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I think the blade has banged the pin over - it hits pretty hard!! Good thing that pin is soft brass. Hardly damaged the blade at all!
Edge view of the Mark side!
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Here's what was going on! Scary!!
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This production brought to you by "The Not Geraldo" corporation, and the "Glasses for Mike" fund. All donations can be sent to Oklahoma Optical with appropriate notation. No knives were (seriously) injured in the making of this WIP. No Prototype knives changed hands!!! Esnyx has volunteered to re-assemble this knife (Yay!!).
Remember to Oil Your Joints!!
 
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Vat can I say... Zee proof is in zee pudding!

Thanks for the pics, Charlie! Send 'er down south to get rusty!
 
So the mystery is solved, once and for all! Nice job, Charlie! :thumbup::thumbup:
Thanks to everyone who contributed to this entertaining and informative thread, especially to Luger1952 who had to sacrifice a knife to scientific progress.:p

waynorth said:
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This production brought to you by "The Not Geraldo" corporation, and the "Glasses for Mike" fund. All donations can be sent to Oklahoma Optical with appropriate notation. No knives were (seriously) injured in the making of this WIP. No Prototype knives changed hands!!! Esnyx has volunteered to re-assemble this knife (Yay!!).
Remember to Oil Your Joints!!
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Now that's COLD :D

- GT
 
Great photos Geraldo...err...Charlie. :cool: I think the QC department solved the problem of the blade not closing by hammering the "obstruction" out of the way before packaging.

This was a great thread and I love a good mystery. :thumbup:
 
You might have should just tried to nip it off without tearing into it; because with your intact picture I knew immediately I was wrong.

In a fine tradition my son started a few years ago of always having someone else to blame for all his mistakes - Luger should have taken a better picture!! :D
 
knifeswapper said:
You might have should just tried to nip it off without tearing into it; because with your intact picture I knew immediately I was wrong.

In a fine tradition my son started a few years ago of always having someone else to blame for all his mistakes - Luger should have taken a better picture!! :D
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I am ever glad you can take a little teasing, Mike! It's true - up close it is an easy call. Internet pictures - not so much.

And, nipping is O.K, but it's way more fun to hack and hew!!

I chatted with Bill at GEC about this knife. He tried a few knives with the threaded pin, but quickly gave it up as too imprecise. The idea was to press the pin through a tight hole which would grip the liner, helped by a spot of glue.
Peening a smooth pin is the only way, tried and true!
The one big improvement that Bill has succeeded with is using the shield welded on as the pin cap. You can have words stamped on the shield without messing them up!!
 
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