Sebenza Faults

About BM...

I TOTALLY BELIEVE that a small sebenza is WORTH $300. I would pay the price all day and night COMPLETELY WHOLEHARTEDLY! Please Allow me to use this as a point of reference.

When I pick up a $125 Benchmade, NOT ONLY is it NOT EVEN CLOSE to being as well constructed OR fit together, but IT BARELY EVEN IF surpasses the quality of a CRKT for $65!!!

To me... it's NOT PRICE, QUALITY, or VALUE... It's an average! If the average is there... the knife is MINE!!! If I needed a new knife...A microtech M-Socom for $100... PUT IT IN THE MAIL!!! I would NEVER try to hurt someones feelings. These are just the factors of knife (anything!) buying!
 
C'mon, Arch, Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel. COMPLETELY WHOLEHARTEDLY! ;-)
 
now we start the bashing of the Benchmades. great.
Seems like there is a lot of angst against CRK's and Bm's, I guess the best never get a rest.:rolleyes:
 
i love my henckels cook's knife...feeling it in my hand gives me the inspiration to cook...
 
Originally posted by Sticky
now we start the bashing of the Benchmades. great.
Seems like there is a lot of angst against CRK's and Bm's, I guess the best never get a rest.:rolleyes:
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No, they just have to live up to price, reputation and normal expectations.
 
Originally posted by archieblue
To me... it's NOT PRICE, QUALITY, or VALUE... It's an average! If the average is there... the knife is MINE!!! If I needed a new knife...A microtech M-Socom for $100... PUT IT IN THE MAIL!!! I would NEVER try to hurt someones feelings. These are just the factors of knife (anything!) buying!
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:confused: Dude, what the hell are you talking about?? Do you even know? I got so lost in all the EMPHASIS that I couldn't even tell which side you were on. You had me up until that last paragraph. BTW, I revert back to my original statement of "Why is it ok to diss BM like that, when you get your panties in a wad if someone mentions a Sebenza?" I guess I got good AVERAGES with all my Benchmades, whatever the hell you were referring to, because I like them better than my Sebenza.

Mike
 
BM's and CRK's don't live up to normal expectations?!:eek:
Hmmmmmm, there must be a BUNCH of people with below normal expectations around here then, or just a handful who are overly anal.
 
Originally posted by bagman
I have just done a search for sebenz's and brownshoe and getting on for 10% of his posts are critical of Sebenza's in some form or another, many of them rabidly so.

He manages to slag off sebenza's in threads that have no relevance whatsoever.

Perhpas he was abused by a sebnza in a previous life :D

I do not feel the need to justify my sebenza puchases to anyone and so will add no more to that side of the debate and if this post is considered out of order I will delete/amend it.

Aother thing I do not understand is why most of the anti sebie threads are posted in the general forum rather than on the CRK one???

my 2p's worth
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Thank you for providing a perfect example of what I have been talking about...someone makes an anti-Seb comment and it leads to a "witch-hunt" of his old posts in an effort to discredit him...so what if he doesn't like the knife and he has been vocal about it in previous posts? what makes his threads "have no relevance whatsoever"???? Why don't people go through all the old posts of someone who "dares" to find fault with a Benchmade?

While I'm responding to your post...you are ABSOLUTELY correct that you don't have to justify your knife purchases but, IMHO, you DO have to justify why you are personally attacking someone (or at least trying to discredit them) because they don't agree with your tastes...perhaps it wasn't your intention but this is a "tight" community and if at least one person sees it that way...

Why do the anti-sebbie threads get posted here instead of the CRK forum? probably the same reason that the pro-sebbie posts get posted outside the CRK forum.

RL
 
It's good to see everybody flexing their testosterone around here. I was starting to think you were all a bunch of levelheaded sissies!!! A forum full of peaceful men just makes me want to upchuck into the old porcelain bowl. It’s been ages since we had a good Sebenza cost justification, when the patterns of life dictate that this conversation should be repeated once per month. And that darn Benchmade quality control, I think that a few guys from the production line should be put in the stocks!!!

I think we’ve about covered Chris Reeve and Benchmade now. What other brand’s fanatical followers shall we sling mud at next? I say that we have a face-off between the Victorinox and the Wenger fans. Corkscrews at fifty paces!!!!
 
Let's do Spyderco next...I'll start off with vertical blade play(horizontal too)....hate it!! But it's ok for the price I gave, great knives anyways!
 
Folks, is this really that hard to understand? It makes perfect sense that if you have a knife that is thought very highly of, and talked about as being the "best" over and over in a forum, OF COURSE you will have some people asking: "Oh really? Why is it the best? What about this, that and the other thing..." Its human nature, deal with it. :) When you constantly tout a knife as the best, youre begging for people to argue that point with you, so dont be surprised when it happens, it doesnt make them a troll, just human.

I do happen to think the Sebenza is the best and strongest production folder available, if you dont, good, more for me. :)
 
Originally posted by archieblue


I TOTALLY BELIEVE that a small sebenza is WORTH $300. I would pay the price all day and night COMPLETELY WHOLEHARTEDLY!
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I am a bit confused. Where are these prices coming from? I can order a full sized Sebenza (undecorated) for $300.00 delivered. In fact I am ordering it next week (hopefully).
 
Originally posted by Megalobyte
When you constantly tout a knife as the best, youre begging for people to argue that point with you, so dont be surprised when it happens, it doesnt make them a troll, just human.
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I agree completely. But when the same person starts the same anti-whateverknifeyoucanthinkof thread on multiple occasions, somebody needs to stick a brown sock in his mouth.
 
My momma always said, "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all".

We could sit here all day picking every knife apart for it's fault's.
None are perfect, or the "one", but they all have their good qualities, you just have to look for them. There is something to be said for constructive criticism, but this thread is more
"destructive" criticism.

Brownshoe tried to validate this thread by saying he was providing a "public service". His second line of his first post states, "I've never liked the knife and found the rabidness of sebenza owners annoying and ignorant". That is what this thread is about, nothing more, nothing noble. Just trolling. :(

Sorry, I don't make the news, I just report it.

Joe
 
Everyone has there own opinion. To me:

-Sebenza's Worth the price
-Benchmade Worth the price
-Emerson Not Worth the Price
-Cold Steel Not worth the Cardboard Box they come in
-Spyderco Good, to much hype if you ask me(Similar to peoples Sebenza Beef)
-SOG Not worth the price on most models
-CRKT Worth more than the price
-Kershaw Worth the price
-Microtech Worth twice there price


You catch my drift. Allot of people would tell me I am out of my mind for some of my opinions above. Hey thats me, I am not knocking you if you think Cold Steel is the best of the best. Thats your opinion
 
Ok, i admit there is one thing that does bother me a little when i read these types of threads. I can completely understand if someone doesnt like the Sebenza, or doesnt think its worth the price, but, one thing i do find a little offensive is when the Sebenzas great reputation is called "hype". This suggests that the great things you see all over the internet and other places about the quality of the Sebenza is somehow artifical, driven by marketing, when in reality, what you are calling "hype" is simply glowing reviews and recommendations of this knife by people who own and use them. Surely to label this as mere "hype" is incorrect. Like the knife, dont like the knife, but please dont suggest that the incredible reputation of the knife is based on anything as unsubstantial as "hype", when in fact, these knives are so popular and recommended so highly because of the experience of people who own and use them, and if this isnt a legitimate basis for a knife being popular, i surely dont know what is.
 
I like my small sebbie so much I ordered a large one. My $, my choice. I think they are a fine knife, but I have others. Works for me. ;) EJ
 
Originally posted by RL
People can be as enthusiastic as they want as long as they don't hurt anyone else...being enthusiastic is NOT a license for insulting others directly (e.g. calling people an idiot or saying things like "to make themselves feel better") or indirectly (i.e. making baseless claims that offend/harm other knifemakers or mocking people with sarcastic statements like 'they dare hold their knife in higher esteem than "you" think appropriate.')...I stand by that position

RL
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RL, no where have I called you, or anyone else posting to this thread an idiot, either directly or indirectly, but if you're sensibilities are so delicate, that you took offence or where harmed by the two other legitimate remarks you paraphrased above, then please feel free to stand by whomever, whatever, or wherever you like, because I almost certainly will not be able to discuss anything with you, without the risk of causing you additional offence or harm. JDBraddy
 
Originally posted by JDBraddy
RL, no where have I called you, or anyone else posting to this thread an idiot, either directly or indirectly, but if you're sensibilities are so delicate, that you took offence or where harmed by the two other legitimate remarks you paraphrased above, then please feel free to stand by whomever, whatever, or wherever you like, because I almost certainly will not be able to discuss anything with you, without the risk of causing you additional offence or harm. JDBraddy
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My sensibilities are no more delicate than yours...I thought it was clear that my post was generic when it started with the words "People can be"...your quotes were used as an illustrative example of the type of thing I am talking about...but thank you for considering my feelings so carefully.

RL
 
All this reminds me of a famous knifemakers qoute:"BUY WHAT YO LIKE".
But don't qoute me on that.
Knives are our friends gentleman! Some too friendly. I saw MSN's home page headline 10 BEST SELLING AUTOS-- SEE WHATS #1 and thought at first it was knives. Ahhh....Knives
 
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