Sebenza Overrated?

[Jeremy Barnard]

The funny part is that I'm not even a fanboy. I'm never on the CRK forum and I carry other knives far more than I carry my Sebenza. I would tout $600 RJ Martin customs over a Sebenza any day. You can stay in the shallow end of the pool if you want. Swimming in the deep end costs money. It's just the way it is. I didn't make it that way.

The difference between you and I is that my opinion at least holds a small amount of water because I've actually used the knife. You think you know, but you know nothing. Ignorance is bliss huh?

Edit: You seem to love Spydercos, but you refuse to listen to or even acknowledge the very words that the president of the company said himself.

No I don't love spyderco. i don't own one but I have handled a few and as I've said no knife with the same materials and ff will be worth hundreds more. I'll be waiting for your package.

 

[Gator97]

Except CRK will replace that blade when the time comes. As well refurbish everything else that needs to be done. Lifetime warranty on any issues caused by normal wear so your point is moot.

Using your logic, there's nothing wrong with using 420 steel in Sebbie, as long as they keep replacing the blade. However, reality isn't like that is it Talk about moot point here...

I've seen plenty of 20 year old sebbies that are still chuggin along just fine.

I'm not sure what are you trying to prove here. I've seen folks use the same kitchen knife for 10+ years plus without sharpening them once, and they are happy with it. Does that mean those don't dull or don't need sharpening? Yeah, I believe you, except that tells exactly nothing about their use neither in the past, nor in the present.

 

[dinokay]

I don't understand why people who don't own a Sebenza are trying to answer the question of overrated. How can you answer a question like that if you don't own one?

 

[Robert.B]

There is a problem though. If I really use that knife, and try to keep it sharp, it won't last half of that, because of the softer steel. What people seem to forget is that the proverbial "ease of sharpening" directly translates into "frequent sharpening", ergo more removed metal, thus reducing the useful lifespan of the blade.
On the other hand, people who open envelope or two in a week, don't really need to sharpen them that often and then it serves 50 years or more. So will most of the high end production folders though.

BTW, "solid, unwavering service" definition varies, from person to person. What you consider solid may not seem so solid to someone else, and vice versa. If all you want from your knife is solid lockup and no bladeplay, doesn't mean everyone else can't have additional requirements to consider said service to be "solid".

My definition isnt any different to what CRK will define it as...

 

[Tony8179]

No I don't love spyderco. i don't own one but I have handled a few and as I've said no knife with the same materials and ff will be worth hundreds more. I'll be waiting for your package.

So no CRK, no Spydercos.... Please tell me that you at least own a Benchmade since you keep bringing them up as well.

Wait by the mailbox. I'll have that package out soon. :thumbup:

I don't understand why people who don't own a Sebenza are trying to answer the question of overrated. How can you answer a question like that if you don't own one?

It's Knifemosis. They look at a picture of a knife and can tell you exactly how much it should be worth and whether it is overrated or not.

 

[knarfeng]

I don't have a problem with folks who have tried a Sebenza and have decided they did not care for it.

I don't have a problem with folks who won't buy a Sebenza because it's too pricey for them.
Heck. I better not. I fall into that category myself. Too much money for me to spend on a knife. But that doesn't make it overpriced. It just makes it priced higher than I am willing to spend.

I do have a problem with folks who decide sight unseen that the Sebenza is not worth the price.

I have an even bigger problem with folks who are ignorant of manufacturing costs, but by plucking a supposed cost from the ether, are certain that somebody is making a huge markup on their product.

 

[dinokay]

This is all about exchanging ideas and sharing the passion for knives, I thought.

 

[risen]

Quality = money. Why is that so hard to understand.

The knife doesn't do it for me at that price point. *Why is that so hard to understand?*

 

[mndart]

I've had many Sebbies. They are smooth opening, easy to take apart and put back together, great resale value. I have one small sebbie left with a BG42 blade and it is a part of my EDC rotation.

What's not to like?

 

[Gator97]

My definition isnt any different to what CRK will define it as...

Huh? Why? You are using that knife for your own needs, why do you have to think what CRK tells you, or anyone else for that matter? Actually, if your definition always "will" be what CRK defines, how can that be considered objective on your part?

I don't understand why people who don't own a Sebenza are trying to answer the question of overrated. How can you answer a question like that if you don't own one?

I think there's plenty of input in this thread from the people who owned Seb.

 

[Tony8179]

The knife doesn't do it for me at that price point. *Why is that so hard to understand?*

Because you never said that. You've fought tooth and nail that the knife is over priced for what it is. You've never said that it's just not for you.

 

[jakeyjake4528]

I have said all there is needed to be said The same materials and craftsmanship at an inflated price is what you get with a sebenza. No I understand it's not able to be won as long as there are people with more money then brains and I understand you are a fan boy and you would never bring an ounce of criticism against something you tossed so much money into. I do not need to handle a Sebenza to know how well a BM and Spyderco are put together along with the good materials and ff. It wont get any better. Prove me wrong. I don't think you can. Keep touting How I am wrong up on your high horse fondeling your over priced knives and try to justify or prove something which you can not. It always will come back to a Sebenza fan boy saying the ff, .0005 tolerances, craftsmanship, etc even though you get just as good if not a better knife with any top of the line BM or Spyderco. /thread

proving you wrong is pretty easy, actually. sal himself has said that if he produced knives with the same tolerances as CRK, they would cost just as much.

 

[Tony8179]

The knife doesn't do it for me at that price point. *Why is that so hard to understand?*

Because you've never said that. From your first interjection in the thread you've held steadfast that the knife is overpriced, that the knife should not be priced more than $200 or so, that the knife isn't worth it at the price. What exactly do you want for $385?

proving you wrong is pretty easy, actually. sal himself has said that if he produced knives with the same tolerances as CRK, they would cost just as much.

Jakey, he's been told that at least twice before now. He won't acknowledge it though. Thomas W. from Kershaw responded with answers as well. Again, no acknowledgement or response.

 

[Jeremy Barnard]

So no CRK, no Spydercos.... Please tell me that you at least own a Benchmade since you keep bringing them up as well.

Wait by the mailbox. I'll have that package out soon. :thumbup:



It's Knifemosis. They look at a picture of a knife and can tell you exactly how much it should be worth and whether it is overrated or not.

The Spydercos belong to a family member. No I don't own them but I have handled them extensively. I own two benchmades.

 

[risen]

...You're right Marketing/MSRP is a standard process, but works differently for each business structure. ...

Businesses and what they offer may be different, but the process is universal. Simply put, business is business.

Don't try to talk to me like I'm stupid Sonny Jim. You've got to have a helluva lot more brains than you to try and go that route.

Maybe if you stopped acting stupid, you wouldn't come across so ignorantly. Try to challenge me with this whole, grasping & digging a hole crap, you're going to make yourself look even dumber than you sound.

The fact that you feel the need to claim having brains shows insecurity. Don't be so weak.

 

[Medic1210]

My perpetual frustration is that there are very few higher-end production ambi or lefty folders. Many of the standard solutions --Bradley Alias, BM Skirmish or MiniSkirm, Striders, higher end Kershaws, etc -- that otherwise appeal to me are righty only. I know that many left-handed folks use righty folders, but in a luxury item this is an unacceptable compromise to me. So I end up carrying, using, and greatly enjoying midrange Spydercos. I just wish there were a greater range of "prestige" folders for lefties. The fact that CRK offers lefty models really appeals to me.

However, I just spent a few days this week meeting and working with a fellow knife nut, and his Large Sebenza got me thinking about one again. There is certainly something about them...

Have you not tried any of the BM Axis lock knives? They are ambidextrous, and BM doesn't charge you $40 to get the thumb stud on both sides of the blade. If you're settling for mid-range Spydercos, I'm not sure why you wouldn't consider the nicer Axis lock BM. From my experience, it's hard to beat one of the Osborne series, or the 710.

 

[Robert.B]

The Spydercos belong to a family member. No I don't own them but I have handled them extensively. I own two benchmades.

Thats like handling a rifle and never firing it, then arguing its an accurate rifle...

 

[MORIMOTOM]

I have said all there is needed to be said The same materials and craftsmanship at an inflated price is what you get with a sebenza. No I understand it's not able to be won as long as there are people with more money then brains and I understand you are a fan boy and you would never bring an ounce of criticism against something you tossed so much money into. I do not need to handle a Sebenza to know how well a BM and Spyderco are put together along with the good materials and ff. It wont get any better. Prove me wrong. I don't think you can. Keep touting How I am wrong up on your high horse fondeling your over priced knives and try to justify or prove something which you can not. It always will come back to a Sebenza fan boy saying the ff, .0005 tolerances, craftsmanship, etc even though you get just as good if not a better knife with any top of the line BM or Spyderco. /thread

the argument of the truly desperate. anyone who owns one (or more) and sees the value is a fanboy.

its not worth it to you? based on what? you can't afford it? those of us who own one or more have more money than brains?

the reality is this: no one will ever be able to provide definitive proof to you the sebenza is worth the cost. but it doesn't matter, since you have already talked yourself out of it before even touching one. then you rationalize your inability to purchase one by saying they are overpriced. somehow you are a better person because you can't buy something i can? well, the reverse is certainly not true.

i actually don't care what anyone can or cannot afford. i only care that we can all share our love of all things sharp and pointy.

thomas w. (kershaw) and sal glesser (spyderco) both acknowledge the cost of the sebenza is right where it should be, but somehow you expect everyone to acknowledge that your credibility outweights theirs and that of those who have owned the knife for perhaps many years.

your "top of the line" benchmade will run you up around $1000 (or more). my 710 retails for $600, and its a production knife! the reason those other knives appear to you to be "just as good or better" (whatever that means) is because chris reeve set the standard many years ago, and has maintained that standard of craftsmanship throughout the evolution of his company.

 

[RubiconSS]

It's called fanaticism.

Really? You guys call yourselves Fanatics? About what? Kinives? I don't think so. Not when you're "Debating" whether a $385 knife is over priced or over valued.

Guys who buy Zenith watches when every other moron is saving up for a Rolex - are Fanatics. Guys who spend $20k on a motor to run sub 10 second in the quarter mile when their car is running 11's - are fanatics. Guys who debate the sound of $40,000.00 mono block Audio Research Ampifiers over solid state Krells - are fanatics.
People who snipe at each other over $385 Sebenzas and whether they are worth it when they don't even own one are - Idiots.
The people who "debate" them aren't much better.
You guys just don't seem to have the "sebenzas" to call it what it is.

 

[Tony8179]

Businesses and what they offer may be different, but the process is universal. Simply put, business is business.

Wow! Okay, keep thinking that. You'll be going far in the business world.

Maybe if you stopped acting stupid, you wouldn't come across so ignorantly. Try to challenge me with this whole, grasping & digging a hole crap, you're going to make yourself look even dumber than you sound.

The fact that you feel the need to claim having brains shows insecurity. Don't be so weak..

If you weren't grasping at straws and digging yourself a deeper hole with your obviously flawed arguments then I would have never told you that you were doing either. Weak is word you should be familiar with. I don't claim anything I know for fact because it is fact. I also know that when someone runs the course of their brain capacity they start throwing around insults. So what was that you were saying?