Sebenza Overrated?

[MORIMOTOM]

Benchmade, and I'm pretty sure Spyderco as well to name a couple. Proof you don't need to charge $400 to have 0.0005" tolerance knives.

not according to sal glesser, who owns spyderco.

benchmade? not unless you are talking about their gold class, which pretty much all cost more than a sebenza.

 

[Darkstar2520]

Well in my own opinion yes it is overpriced your just paying for the name like Nike I wonder how many times that's been said

 

[Jeremy Barnard]

Didn't you just tell us you had nothing else to say?


Oh yeah, it's you we're dealing with.

I'll be waiting for a factual argument from you too. I doubt I'll get one.

 

[Robert.B]

I posted factual comments about the cost of materials on some bms and spydercos and where the quality vs price tops off at. If you have an argument please make it and don't try to stand in the distance and take cheap shots while contributing nothing to the discussion. Otherwise you are proving nothing but your own ignorance on the subject.

I did contribute, when you posted the rubbish you did about anyone with a CNC can do what CRK does...and it was all down hill after that.

 

[knarfeng]

never mind. I gotta go to work in the morning. I'm done.

 

[Jeremy Barnard]

I did contribute, when you posted the rubbish you did about anyone with a CNC can do what CRK does...and it was all down hill after that.

Great, you have no argument, One down. Who is next?

 

[MORIMOTOM]

So, Sal Glessar has already said that if Spyderco held the same tolerance that CRK does, then Spyderco knives would cost the same as CRK. Are you saying that Sal is lying?

must be. spyderco actually manufactures knives to the same tolerances, but sal says they don't, and in fact are worse than they really are.


wait.


what?

 

[Brennanscott]

I'll be waiting for a factual argument from you too. I doubt I'll get one.

I own and use a Sebenza. That in itself has your position beat into the ground.

 

[Robert.B]

Great, you have no argument, One down. Who is next?

it's a shame this hasn't been moved to whine and cheese...but for the sake of the fine folk who run this forum I'll refrain from feeding the troll.

PS. please provide your credentials in operating a CNC, you never did reply.

 

[Tony8179]

... while contributing nothing to the discussion. Otherwise you are proving nothing but your own ignorance on the subject.

Pot: Hi kettle.

Kettle: Hi pot.

Pot: Hey kettle, you are black?

Kettle: You don't say?

 

[Jeremy Barnard]

I own and use a Sebenza. That in itself has your position beat into the ground.

Incorrect. Read the post I repeated and you blatantly disregarded. IF you have no argument, get out of this thread.

 

[Jeremy Barnard]

Pot: Hi kettle.

Kettle: Hi pot.

Pot: Hey kettle, you are black?

Kettle: You don't say?

More childish insults. I'm waiting on a real argument from you. One again, I doubt I'll get one.

 

[Brennanscott]

Jiggy, seriously, you do know that you haven't had a leg to stand on since your first post in this thread. Just admit it.

 

[MORIMOTOM]

Great, you have no argument, One down. Who is next?

alright smart guy, here ya go:

I'm quite sure they're not overpriced.

Never, and I mean never, has there been a folder that has been around for 20+ years that brings a price & resale like the Sebenza. This knife is the centerpiece of an organization that has been given the prestigious Manufacturer's Quality Award (by their peers no less) 10 times this century. Every manufacturer can only strive to have a winner, the biggest winner of them all, like the bad ass Seb. It's truly the most amazing high end folder ever produced. I'm astounded by it's staying power, and hope you all understand how difficult this is to achieve.

Hard to believe a company with its rich history like CRK's, and the Sebbie could be considered overpriced. Just doesn't make sense, history tells us so.

 

[100eyes]

Incorrect. Read the post I repeated and you blatantly disregarded. IF you have no argument, get out of this thread.

just to clarify, have you ever owned a Sebenza?

 

[Brennanscott]

Incorrect. Read the post I repeated and you blatantly disregarded. IF you have no argument, get out of this thread.

Which pile of drivel to you refer to? Please enlighten me.

 

[giant1]

How old are you Jiggy? 10?

Your arguments are childish.

 

[Tony8179]

Which pile of drivel to you refer to? Please enlighten me.

He's talking about this.

I'm glad you brought this up. If you look at knives in the different price ranges you will notice that the materials used in the knives about top out at 100-200. titanium, carbon fiber, g10 etc. for handles and anything from 154 cm, s30v, s90v, etc. steels can all be found in that price range. You will also find these knives to be of very high quality and f&f, no blade play, solid lock up, etc. The lower the price the less expensive materials used and possibly less of a quality f&f. That's not to say it's any less of a cutter but the increase in price is because of something substantial, the materials and craftsmanship.

When you look at a more expensive knife, in this case the sebenza you see a much higher price then the 100-200 range but yet the materials are basically the same. The blade play, ff, lockup will also be very good. That is where I don't understand. The materials aren't any better. The blade play, ff, lockup, tolerances are already so good on the 1-200 knives does the .0005 really mean anything? Will it even be noticeable? If it is does that justify a $200 price increase? I'm not so sure that it is and I can't imagine something being any tighter then a top of the line BM or Spyderco.

I understand that some people may love the look, design of the knife, the ff, materials and quality and I don't have a problem how someone else spends their money. If they like it enough to buy it that's all that matters.

And I already answered all of this in post #574. Go ahead and read it again Jiggy.

 

[jakeyjake4528]

Incorrect. Read the post I repeated and you blatantly disregarded. IF you have no argument, get out of this thread.

can you explain sal saying if he made his knives as CRK makes them, they would cost as much?

oh and dont forget thomas w.

perhaps the strongest argument leveled at you, and you so far have not responded to it. you have, in your own words, blatantly disregarded it.

 

[risen]

what knife is worth the msrp?

I'm glad you asked.

One of my most recent purchases falls under this category, the ZT-0551, even though they did MSRP it at $250(?), but sold it for under $200.

please don't say spyderco...

I wouldn't say Spyderco (but a lot of their models are great quality), mostly because actual selling prices vary on the same models.

what you are willing to pay for any knife is rather meaningless compared to what someone else is willing to pay.

Exactly, which is why I don't agree with Sebenzans criticizing others for not drinking the kool-aid.

you have established your "ceiling" for knife spending,

No. I don't have a ceiling for knife spending. As I've said before, I've paid more for a single knife than what a Sebenza may go for. The "ceiling" I appear to have here is only regarding the Sebenza. I would spend more for an XM-18 (of course).

i work hard, earn my salary, and spend it as i see fit. if buying a sebenza makes me happy, then i'll do it.

Right. You wouldn't need a credible expert to tell you otherwise.

...what you won't find me doing is saying those who can afford more than i can are somehow misinformed fanboys, and they are spending their money foolishly. perspective is everything.

Perspective is everything. So is interpretation. You're referring to those who can "afford", which seems to imply that any difference/s here are based on that. Incorrect, at least where I'm concerned.

I believe the "misinformed" perception you've cited is coming more from the Sebenzans than from those who've stated here that they don't feel a Sebenza is worth the price. In fact, if you've been following this thread, several folks (including myself), who haven't jumped on the Sebenza bandwagon, are the one's who've had to repeatedly state that all we're doing here is sharing opinions.