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Well, it's not like you need to own a taurus to know it sucks, right?
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Well, it's not like you need to own a taurus to know it sucks, right?
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Keep digging mate. :yawn:
Since what I've been doing all along is sharing my opinion, that's exactly what I have been saying all along, that I don't think the knife is worth MSRP.
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So are you going to answer the second part or what I said? What makes a $385 knife worth it to you? What would you spend $385 on? Please wow me with your prowess on what makes a knife worth $385?
And no, you never said that the knife just didn't do it for you at the price point. Your argument was that with the materials and machinery used that the knife should not be priced at $385. You still haven't told me how you've come to this very educated conclusion either.
There are no "arguments" here for me. If you have one, then it's in your own head.
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This is yet another example of either your total lack of knowlege about what spews from the opening in your face.
Want to debate guns now. Why not you probably know about as much about that as you do knives.
Taurus does what it is intended to do quite well. They copied Smith & Wessons at a fraction of the cost. They don't claim to be Kimbers or H&K's. They claim to be affordable copies of tried and true much more expensive examples of fine firearms.
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Granted you are asking a question like that, it is very unlikely you will listen or consider any argument from him...
We all have our own criteria for what 385$ knife should do and it may not match CRK or whoever else, no need to take that too seriously.
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Lol the "keep digging" comments are cute. Taurus firearms are far below the other brands out there. countless problems. Don't agree? Look it up and find out for yourself.
As for everyone else who just doesn't seem to understand why I think they are overpriced read this one more time. Put some thought into it. Don't disregard it like tony and jump back to the "you just don't understand , .0005, FF, you're not intellegant" bandwagon.
"I'm glad you brought this up. If you look at knives in the different price ranges you will notice that the materials used in the knives about top out at 100-200. titanium, carbon fiber, g10 etc. for handles and anything from 154 cm, s30v, s90v, etc. steels can all be found in that price range. You will also find these knives to be of very high quality and f&f, no blade play, solid lock up, etc. The lower the price the less expensive materials used and possibly less of a quality f&f. That's not to say it's any less of a cutter but the increase in price is because of something substantial, the materials and craftsmanship.
When you look at a more expensive knife, in this case the sebenza you see a much higher price then the 100-200 range but yet the materials are basically the same. The blade play, ff, lockup will also be very good. That is where I don't understand. The materials aren't any better. The blade play, ff, lockup, tolerances are already so good on the 1-200 knives does the .0005 really mean anything? Will it even be noticeable? If it is does that justify a $200 price increase? I'm not so sure that it is and I can't imagine something being any tighter then a top of the line BM or Spyderco.
I understand that some people may love the look, design of the knife, the ff, materials and quality and I don't have a problem how someone else spends their money. If they like it enough to buy it that's all that matters."
That pretty much sums it up. Nothing more for me to say. Have fun with those overpriced sebs and good day!
That's subjective, isn't it? Something that's on a case by case basis? In this case, we're talking about the Sebenza, which doesn't "wow" me at MSRP. It would "wow" me at $200 - $250. With Sebenza, I've already been there & done that. Show me another $385 knife, let me handle it, and I'll decide for myself if I believe *it's* worth the price. If it is, great. If it isn't, I'll pass. Nothing complicated about it.
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Alright, I'll go your route since educated discusssion has apparantly gone out the window. You are a trollish child. If you really think then you are not arguing then you are also scizophrenic and most likely a sociopath. Yeah, you're not arguing. I'm not putting you on Ignore either. The more I read the thoughts coming from your twisted mind the more I want to put a hook inside my ear to dig and pull them out.
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a) Owning a knife and using it, then discussing it's value = SHARING an opinion.
b) Not owning or using said knife, then discussing it's value = SHARTING an opinion.
I'll stick with plan b
b) Not owning or using said knife, then discussing it's value = SHARTING an opinion.
I'll stick with plan b
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Lol the "keep digging" comments are cute. Taurus firearms are far below the other brands out there. countless problems. Don't agree? Look it up and find out for yourself.
...*same stuff repeated*...
That pretty much sums it up. Nothing more for me to say. Have fun with those overpriced sebs and good day!
You keep repeating the same rubbish, and here's the point you duck out and run off because you know you're wrong. Your arguments have lacked intelligent discussion since you chimed in, as rubiconss has already stated when you made another uneducated statement about a product you do not own and seem to contradict yourself in a cheap gun being rubbish but an expensive production knife being over priced. :yawn:
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what knife is worth the msrp?
please don't say spyderco, because the msrp and the actual purchase price are going to be vastly different, probably in the neighborhood of 40%. as are many, if not most, production knives. would you pay $200 for a non sprint run spyderco military? or $300 for a sprint run?
what you are willing to pay for any knife is rather meaningless compared to what someone else is willing to pay. you have established your "ceiling" for knife spending, and anything beyond that is no longer worth it. this has nothing to do with any intrinsic value the item may hold or not hold, it is simply out of your reach, either by choice or not.
i work hard, earn my salary, and spend it as i see fit. if buying a sebenza makes me happy, then i'll do it. i would like to be able to buy knives made by matt cuchiarra and tom mayo, maybe a mick strider ti custom, but they are out of my price range, beyond my ceiling. what you won't find me doing is saying those who can afford more than i can are somehow misinformed fanboys, and they are spending their money foolishly. perspective is everything.
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Show me other makers with 0.0005" accuracy on production level knives.
An education and a reply are entirely different.
Benchmade, and I'm pretty sure Spyderco as well to name a couple. Proof you don't need to charge $400 to have 0.0005" tolerance knives.
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Lol the "keep digging" comments are cute. Taurus firearms are far below the other brands out there. countless problems. Don't agree? Look it up and find out for yourself.
As for everyone else who just doesn't seem to understand why I think they are overpriced read this one more time. Put some thought into it. Don't disregard it like tony and jump back to the "you just don't understand , .0005, FF, you're not intellegant" bandwagon.
"I'm glad you brought this up. If you look at knives in the different price ranges you will notice that the materials used in the knives about top out at 100-200. titanium, carbon fiber, g10 etc. for handles and anything from 154 cm, s30v, s90v, etc. steels can all be found in that price range. You will also find these knives to be of very high quality and f&f, no blade play, solid lock up, etc. The lower the price the less expensive materials used and possibly less of a quality f&f. That's not to say it's any less of a cutter but the increase in price is because of something substantial, the materials and craftsmanship.
When you look at a more expensive knife, in this case the sebenza you see a much higher price then the 100-200 range but yet the materials are basically the same. The blade play, ff, lockup will also be very good. That is where I don't understand. The materials aren't any better. The blade play, ff, lockup, tolerances are already so good on the 1-200 knives does the .0005 really mean anything? Will it even be noticeable? If it is does that justify a $200 price increase? I'm not so sure that it is and I can't imagine something being any tighter then a top of the line BM or Spyderco.
I understand that some people may love the look, design of the knife, the ff, materials and quality and I don't have a problem how someone else spends their money. If they like it enough to buy it that's all that matters."
That pretty much sums it up. Nothing more for me to say. Have fun with those overpriced sebs and good day!
Guess he sharted himself out.
Never had a leg to stand on. His latest "point" was that if Chris Reeve wants his extra $200 (which we know he wouldn't spend on ANY knife) He would have to find more expensive materials to make it from to justify it as perfect craftmanship and exacting tolerances appear to be worth nothing extra.
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Benchmade, and I'm pretty sure Spyderco as well to name a couple. Proof you don't need to charge $400 to have 0.0005" tolerance knives.
prove it.
How's that research going buddy?
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I posted factual comments about the cost of materials on some bms and spydercos and where the quality vs price tops off at. If you have an argument please make it and don't try to stand in the distance and take cheap shots while contributing nothing to the discussion. Otherwise you are proving nothing but your own ignorance on the subject.
You & I usually see eye to eye. And, when we don't, I still respect your views & reasoning. It's unfortunate that many Sebenzans can't reason as we do.
There is one thing I'd like to point out. Others before you have also echoed Thomas W. & Sal Glesser, which is fine. I respect their work, as well.
The thing is, Thomas W. & Sal Glesser are in the same business/industry as Chris Reeve, correct? I certainly wouldn't expect them to say anything against CRK, or any other knife maker for that matter. They're professionals.
As for credibility, I think that's a whole separate thing from what's been going on here, folks having their own consumer opinion on whether or not they think something is worth the price, for themselves.
As a consumer, I've got decades of experience. I know what I like. I don't need anyone, credible expert or otherwise, to tell me whether or not something is worth the price to me.
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Didn't you just tell us you had nothing else to say?
Oh yeah, it's you we're dealing with.
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