Sebenza Overrated?

[Medic1210]

Educated on knives while a member of Bladeforums? You don't say? Does this mean you know what you're talking about when it comes to the Sebenza? No sir, it does not. The .0005 tolerances isn't a line. It's what seperates a $200 knife from a $400 knife. You're incessant yapping is only digging your hole deeper.

Interesting, 'cause my $150 Benchmade has 0.0005" tolerances, and I've never once had an issue with their customer service. They'll even sharpen my knife for free, as often as I want to send it in to them (not that I use that service, but it's there for those who don't know how to sharpen their knives). How much does CRK charge to resharpen a knife??

 

[Brennanscott]

Jiggy is getting a jump on the 2011 ***** at this point.

 

[Tony8179]

Interesting, 'cause my $150 Benchmade has 0.0005" tolerances, and I've never once had an issue with their customer service. They'll even sharpen my knife for free, as often as I want to send it in to them (not that I use that service, but it's there for those who don't know how to sharpen their knives). How much does CRK charge to resharpen a knife??

You sure that your Benchmade is built to the same .0005" tolerances? I don't think it is. If you're argument is going to come down to how much each company charges to resharpen a knife then your argument makes me shrug. I sharpen my own knives.

 

[Brennanscott]

Interesting, 'cause my $150 Benchmade has 0.0005" tolerances, and I've never once had an issue with their customer service. They'll even sharpen my knife for free, as often as I want to send it in to them (not that I use that service, but it's there for those who don't know how to sharpen their knives). How much does CRK charge to resharpen a knife??

Did they make in in the CRK shop for you?

 

[MORIMOTOM]

Jiggy is getting a jump on the 2011 ***** at this point.

the what?

 

[timberweasel]

Oh, the intolerance over tolerances! :/

 

[Brennanscott]

Medic and Jiggy... the information connection. One bases his opinion on inference, the other on made up "facts".

 

[Jeremy Barnard]

Jiggy, seriously, you do know that you haven't had a leg to stand on since your first post in this thread. Just admit it.

I'm not sure what you're saying. Please make an argument if you're going to reply to my posts.

alright smart guy, here ya go:

I disagree.

just to clarify, have you ever owned a Sebenza?

I have said numerous times I have not. That has nothing to do with the value I place on the item. Make an argument or leave.

Which pile of drivel to you refer to? Please enlighten me.

Insults will get you nowhere. If you can't make an intelligent argument please don't reply to my posts.
"I'm glad you brought this up. If you look at knives in the different price ranges you will notice that the materials used in the knives about top out at 100-200. titanium, carbon fiber, g10 etc. for handles and anything from 154 cm, s30v, s90v, etc. steels can all be found in that price range. You will also find these knives to be of very high quality and f&f, no blade play, solid lock up, etc. The lower the price the less expensive materials used and possibly less of a quality f&f. That's not to say it's any less of a cutter but the increase in price is because of something substantial, the materials and craftsmanship.

When you look at a more expensive knife, in this case the sebenza you see a much higher price then the 100-200 range but yet the materials are basically the same. The blade play, ff, lockup will also be very good. That is where I don't understand. The materials aren't any better. The blade play, ff, lockup, tolerances are already so good on the 1-200 knives does the .0005 really mean anything? Will it even be noticeable? If it is does that justify a $200 price increase? I'm not so sure that it is and I can't imagine something being any tighter then a top of the line BM or Spyderco.

I understand that some people may love the look, design of the knife, the ff, materials and quality and I don't have a problem how someone else spends their money. If they like it enough to buy it that's all that matters. "

How old are you Jiggy? 10?

Your arguments are childish.

I disagree. You insult me without making a arguement. I believe you are the one who is childish. Once again, if you can't make an intelligent argument please do not reply to my posts.

Medic and Jiggy... the information connection. One bases his opinion on inference, the other on made up "facts".

That is a lie. Everything I have said relating to price points is factual. make an argument or get out

 

[Brennanscott]

the what?

I don't even know what I typed, I'm tired.

 

[kawr]

Interesting, 'cause my $150 Benchmade has 0.0005" tolerances, and I've never once had an issue with their customer service. They'll even sharpen my knife for free, as often as I want to send it in to them (not that I use that service, but it's there for those who don't know how to sharpen their knives). How much does CRK charge to resharpen a knife??

Now you're just lying. You're welcome to prove everyone wrong by busting out the calipers and measuring those 0.0005 tolerances on your Benchmade and posting the pics to prove it. If you want proof of those tolerances on the sebenza just do a search on the CRK forums.

 

[Brennanscott]

Jiggy is kicking us all out of the thread unless we give him the responses he wants to hear. :foot:

 

[Jeremy Barnard]

Jiggy is kicking us all out of the thread unless we give him the responses he wants to hear. :foot:

Nope, I'm asking for some intelligent arguments instead of childish insults.

 

[MORIMOTOM]

I'm glad you asked.

One of my most recent purchases falls under this category, the ZT-0551, even though they did MSRP it at $250(?), but sold it for under $200.

I wouldn't say Syderco (but a lot of their models are great quality), mostly because actual selling prices vary on the same models.

Exactly, which is why I don't agree with Sebenzans criticizing others for not drinking the kool-aid.


No, I don't have a ceiling for knife spending. As I've said before, I've paid more for a single knife than what a Sebenza may go for. The "ceiling" I appear to have here is only regarding the Sebenza. I would spend more for an XM-18 (of course).
Right. You wouldn't need a credible expert to tell you otherwise.

I believe the "misinformed" perception you've cited is coming more from the Sebenzans than from those who've stated here that they don't feel a Sebenza is worth the price. In fact, if you've been following this thread, several folks (including myself), who haven't jumped on the Sebenza bandwagon. are the one's who've had to repeatedly state that all we're doing here is sharing opinions.

you don't have to be on any bandwagon or drink any koolaid to be able to appreciate something or defend its value, whether real, perceived, or somewhere in between.

an opinion, based on nothing tangible, has little or no credibility. worth is largely subjective.

why would you pay more for an xm-18? retail is $385. why is it better?

Perpective is everything. So is interpretation. You're referring to those who can "afford", which seems to imply that any difference/s here are based on that. Incorrect.

jiggy's argument, and that of others, points to exactly that.

re: the 0551, i have one from the first run, bought direct from kershawguy (who is awesome, btw). it should have been a great value, and for many it appears it is/was. a few of us got the rusty liners, so where does that leave it for me? does it matter to you mine had rustly liners and may not have been a good value?

---after a few minutes of sanding/polishing, it was all cleaned up. i like it, and i carry it, fwiw.

 

[Robert.B]

Nope, I'm asking for some intelligent arguments instead of childish insults.

You have yet to provide one, once again...what are your credentials to say any knife maker can buy a CNC and do what CRK does?

 

[Tony8179]

Jiggy, you pick and choose the posts that you want to respond to. Every post that proves you wrong you choose to ignore. I also love how you disagree with Thomas W. as if you could even hope to know a fraction of what that man knows about what it takes to build and price a knife. At this point I see you as nothing but a Troll. You're opinion is worthless when it comes to this thread. Less than worthless.

 

[kawr]

Nope, I'm asking for some intelligent arguments instead of childish insults.

How can you even make any sort of judgement on something you have zero experience with. Thats like a food critic saying the meal tasted awful before even tasting it and just judging it by the price of it on the menu.

 

[jakeyjake4528]

Nope, I'm asking for some intelligent arguments instead of childish insults.

heres one

two men who know far more then you or i, sal and thomas w., say CRK is priced just right.

you say they arent.

explain to everyone why we should believe you?

 

[Medic1210]

This is a discussion forum and we are all entitled to our own opinions. But, how does one form an opinion with no past experience. Once again, this is the very definition of ignorance.

This is starting to get ridiculous. You're telling me that every single thing you have an opinion on, you've had 1st hand experience of? Sorry, but I call BS. You don't have to have first hand experience on something to form an opinion of it. Let me know if I need to give examples, but I'm pretty sure you get what I'm saying. Oh, and for the record, the definition of Ignorance is the lack of knowledge, education, or awareness, not forming an opinion without past experience.

 

[Jeremy Barnard]

You have yet to provide one, once again...what are your credentials to say any knife maker can buy a CNC and do what CRK does?

I never said that. I said the cnc machines have that ability. I didn't say that anyone could achieve it.
You haven't been smoking those funny cigarettes have you? How many times will I have to post my argument before someone can muster up the strength to challenge it?

"I'm glad you brought this up. If you look at knives in the different price ranges you will notice that the materials used in the knives about top out at 100-200. titanium, carbon fiber, g10 etc. for handles and anything from 154 cm, s30v, s90v, etc. steels can all be found in that price range. You will also find these knives to be of very high quality and f&f, no blade play, solid lock up, etc. The lower the price the less expensive materials used and possibly less of a quality f&f. That's not to say it's any less of a cutter but the increase in price is because of something substantial, the materials and craftsmanship.

When you look at a more expensive knife, in this case the sebenza you see a much higher price then the 100-200 range but yet the materials are basically the same. The blade play, ff, lockup will also be very good. That is where I don't understand. The materials aren't any better. The blade play, ff, lockup, tolerances are already so good on the 1-200 knives does the .0005 really mean anything? Will it even be noticeable? If it is does that justify a $200 price increase? I'm not so sure that it is and I can't imagine something being any tighter then a top of the line BM or Spyderco.

I understand that some people may love the look, design of the knife, the ff, materials and quality and I don't have a problem how someone else spends their money. If they like it enough to buy it that's all that matters. "

 

[Jeremy Barnard]

heres one

two men who know far more then you or i, sal and thomas w., say CRK is priced just right.

you say they arent.

explain to everyone why we should believe you?

Once again, just for you.
"I'm glad you brought this up. If you look at knives in the different price ranges you will notice that the materials used in the knives about top out at 100-200. titanium, carbon fiber, g10 etc. for handles and anything from 154 cm, s30v, s90v, etc. steels can all be found in that price range. You will also find these knives to be of very high quality and f&f, no blade play, solid lock up, etc. The lower the price the less expensive materials used and possibly less of a quality f&f. That's not to say it's any less of a cutter but the increase in price is because of something substantial, the materials and craftsmanship.

When you look at a more expensive knife, in this case the sebenza you see a much higher price then the 100-200 range but yet the materials are basically the same. The blade play, ff, lockup will also be very good. That is where I don't understand. The materials aren't any better. The blade play, ff, lockup, tolerances are already so good on the 1-200 knives does the .0005 really mean anything? Will it even be noticeable? If it is does that justify a $200 price increase? I'm not so sure that it is and I can't imagine something being any tighter then a top of the line BM or Spyderco.

I understand that some people may love the look, design of the knife, the ff, materials and quality and I don't have a problem how someone else spends their money. If they like it enough to buy it that's all that matters. "