Sebenza Overrated?

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Sal and Thomas w already did as stated...you're a nobody, they're industry experts.

Give it a rest already.
 
Hey Jiggy, Busse's are largely out of my price range. Based on customer satisfaction alone, all things point to their value being above and beyond their MSRP.

I will accept that as a probable fact as I have no other basis of opinion.

Certainly nothing to say otherwise anyway.

And Risen, every time a guy uses the term "kool-aid", it pretty much suggests a negative attitude toward the subject.

I guess Chris Reeve's peers who vote for him to recieve all these awards drink the stuff as well?
 
Medic1210 said:
This is starting to get ridiculous. You're telling me that every single thing you have an opinion on, you've had 1st hand experience of? Sorry, but I call BS. You don't have to have first hand experience on something to form an opinion of it. Let me know if I need to give examples, but I'm pretty sure you get what I'm saying.
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I like how you choose to ignore people asking you to prove your benchmades having .0005 tolerances since thats pretty much the basis of your argument.
 
Medic1210 said:
This is starting to get ridiculous. You're telling me that every single thing you have an opinion on, you've had 1st hand experience of? Sorry, but I call BS. You don't have to have first hand experience on something to form an opinion of it. Let me know if I need to give examples, but I'm pretty sure you get what I'm saying. Oh, and for the record, the definition of Ignorance is the lack of knowledge, education, or awareness, not forming an opinion without past experience.
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No I don't get it. One gives opinion on things that one either has experience with or put research into. That's basic debate my man. You don't give your opinion or make an argument about things you have no experience with or have not done your research on. I know the definition of Ignorance and I didn't even have to Google it either. Jiggy continues to show his lack of knowledge, education, and awareness by speaking about something he knows nothing about. It seems you both travel the same path.

Jiggy, just because you keep cutting and pasting your same half assed argument over and over again proves nothing. You've been proven wrong by Sal and Thomas' words alone. Once again you respond to only what you want to respond to. Instead of beating my head against the wall with you I'm just gonna throw you on ignore as well. It will save me from reading your nonsense over and over again. Good luck on that mountain top.
 
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Medic1210 said:
This is starting to get ridiculous. You're telling me that every single thing you have an opinion on, you've had 1st hand experience of? Sorry, but I call BS. You don't have to have first hand experience on something to form an opinion of it. Let me know if I need to give examples, but I'm pretty sure you get what I'm saying. Oh, and for the record, the definition of Ignorance is the lack of knowledge, education, or awareness, not forming an opinion without past experience.
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You left your credibility in the .0005 tolerances of your Benchmade.
 
Jiggy said:
Once again, just for you.
"I'm glad you brought this up. If you look at knives in the different price ranges you will notice that the materials used in the knives about top out at 100-200. titanium, carbon fiber, g10 etc. for handles and anything from 154 cm, s30v, s90v, etc. steels can all be found in that price range. You will also find these knives to be of very high quality and f&f, no blade play, solid lock up, etc. The lower the price the less expensive materials used and possibly less of a quality f&f. That's not to say it's any less of a cutter but the increase in price is because of something substantial, the materials and craftsmanship.

When you look at a more expensive knife, in this case the sebenza you see a much higher price then the 100-200 range but yet the materials are basically the same. The blade play, ff, lockup will also be very good. That is where I don't understand. The materials aren't any better. The blade play, ff, lockup, tolerances are already so good on the 1-200 knives does the .0005 really mean anything? Will it even be noticeable? If it is does that justify a $200 price increase? I'm not so sure that it is and I can't imagine something being any tighter then a top of the line BM or Spyderco.

I understand that some people may love the look, design of the knife, the ff, materials and quality and I don't have a problem how someone else spends their money. If they like it enough to buy it that's all that matters. "
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you didnt answer as to why sal and thomas say CRK is priced just right.

you cant imagine anything tighter then a top of the line spyderco? the owner of spyderco can, its called a sebenza.

you didnt answer as to why we should believe you over two men who have first hand knowledge of all this.

so once again, are you going to address your claim vs sal and thomas w.s words?

the reason you are right and sal and thomas are wrong is?
 
Jiggy said:
I have said numerous times I have not. That has nothing to do with the value I place on the item.
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Benchmade makes an excellent knife! CRK makes excellent knives! Its just a matter of what you re willing to fork over for a knife. You will not be disappointed with either product but i believe CR is in a different league than most!
 
Robert.B said:
If you pay $385.00 for your knife and it lasts you 20 years of solid, unwaivering service...that is $19.25 per year, seems like a small price to pay for a tool that will last a life time.

When my situation turns around, I'll buy one, I'll use it, I'll enjoy it. :thumbup:
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Well, I'm 10 years into using my BM 806 D2 Axis, and I think it cost me less than $150 back then, so I'm already less cost per year of use. It's still rock solid and smooth as ever, so I have no reason to believe it's not going to last me another 10 to 20 years. CRKs aren't the only knife that will last for a lifetime ya know. Hell, how many older folks are still using the old Schrade or Case, or whatever they got when they were a kid??
 
MORIMOTOM said:
you don't have to be on any bandwagon or drink any koolaid to be able to appreciate something or defend its value, whether real, perceived, or somewhere in between.
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True. But, you gotta be on something to come across with the "justify/prove it" attitude that many Sebenzans seem to have as soon as they see someone who doesn't feel the knife is worth the price.

Funny thing is, the "justify/prove it" thing is coming from them, not folks who believe the knife isn't worth the price.
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why would you pay more for an xm-18? retail is $385. why is it better?
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Personal preference. Hey, I've been saying all along Sebenza is a quality folder. So's the XM-18. The XM-18 calls out to me more than the Sebenza does. Simple as that.
MORIMOTOM said:
jiggy's argument, and that of others, points to exactly that.
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And, what some Sebenzans have been saying here points to it, as well. But, not all of us are saying it.

MORIMOTOM said:
re: the 0551, i have one from the first run, bought direct from kershawguy (who is awesome, btw). it should have been a great value, and for many it appears it is/was. a few of us got the rusty liners, so where does that leave it for me? does it matter to you mine had rustly liners and may not have been a good value?
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I know. I followed that issue when it first came up. Some folks were really unhappy, and I don't blame them one bit. I recall some chiming in with a "quit complaining and just send it back" attitude. However, if that'd happened to me after shelling out $200, I would've been pissed. No doubt.

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---after a few minutes of sanding/polishing, it was all cleaned up. i like it, and i carry it, fwiw.
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Yeah, but you shouldn't have had to do that, imo.
 
Medic1210 said:
Well, I'm 10 years into using my BM 806 D2 Axis, and I think it cost me less than $150 back then, so I'm already less cost per year of use. It's still rock solid and smooth as ever, so I have no reason to believe it's not going to last me another 10 to 20 years. CRKs aren't the only knife that will last for a lifetime ya know. Hell, how many older folks are still using the old Schrade or Case, or whatever they got when they were a kid??
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Dont put words in my mouth, I never said they were the only one did I? and I have knives over 80 years old going strong that I still use.
 
Medic, I'm waiting for those examples of when you should interject with your non-informed opinion. We're all waiting to hear your response on the call of BS to your "claims" that Benchmade knives are built within .0005" tolerances.
 
Tony8179 said:
No I don't get it. One gives opinion on things that one either has experience with or put research into. That's basic debate my man. You don't give your opinion or make an argument about things you have no experience with or have not done your research on. I know the definition of Ignorance and I didn't even have to Google it either. Jiggy continues to show his lack of knowledge, education, and awareness by speaking about something he knows nothing about. It seems you both travel the same path.

Jiggy, just because you keep cutting and pasting your same half assed argument over and over again proves nothing. You've been proven wrong by Sal and Thomas' words alone. Once again you respond to only what you want to respond to. Instead of beating my head against the wall with you I'm just gonna throw you on ignore as well. It will save me from reading your nonsense over and over again. Good luck on that mountain top.
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Wow. That is just sad. Half assed? Prove it. You have done nothing but insult me and dodge every argument I've made. It's actually pretty sad. You tell me I don't know what I'm talking but you wont say what I don't know. You tell me I'm not intelligent but yet you can't come up with any rebuttal to my argument. It appears you are the one who is unintelligent and have a short temper to boot. I don't care what thomas and sal says. I want to know what YOU have to say about my argument. You say you've blocked me? That's okay I wasn't expecting anything intelligent from you anyways. Three down. Anyone care to put some thought into their posts?
 
Tony8179 said:
Medic, I'm waiting for those examples when you should interject your non-informed opinion. We're all waiting to hear your response on the call of BS to your "claims" that Benchmade knives are built within .0005" tolerances.
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And he thinks Spyderco..just to name two he says.
 
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