Sebenza Overrated?

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Jiggy said:
Wow. That is just sad. Half assed? Prove it. You have done nothing but insult me and dodge every argument I've made. It's actually pretty sad. You tell me I don't know what I'm talking but you wont say what I don't know. You tell me I'm not intelligent but yet you can't come up with any rebuttal to my argument. It appears you are the one who is unintelligent and have a short temper to boot. I don't care what thomas and sal says. I want to know what YOU have to say about my argument. You say you've blocked me? That's okay I wasn't expecting anything intelligent from you anyways.
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Jiggy, Why would he bother? You admittedly have ZERO experience with the subject.

That's 0.000 to you Medic.
 
Jiggy, the only reason I am responding is because Brennanscott quoted you which unfortunately means that I can read your poorly thought out response, but here you go.

Talking to you is like talking to the chair I am sitting on. I have not dodged one half assed, non-informed argument that you've made (at least until I put you on Ignore). You don't know what you're talking about. The things that you are uneducated about are vast. Too many to simply waste my time with. Saying that you don't care what Thomas and Sal say just adds to my point that you are ignorant and obviously blind to the truth. Go back and read my responses again and you will see that I answered all your silly uninformed thoughts. If you knew I blocked you and you are still typing to me as though I can read what you are saying then you are even further proving to me that you are not a smart individual. By the way, you keep saying that you had an argument. You say this as though your uninformed nonsense thoughts about a knife that you've never even touched are valid in any way, shape, or form.
 
Brennanscott said:
Jiggy, Why would he bother? You admittedly have ZERO experience with the subject.

That's 0.000 to you Medic.
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Why would he not? Why would you not? Owning a sebenza has nothing to do with knowing what other VERY high quality knives cost with the same if not better materials. (specifically blade steel) I would expect someone so intelligent as himself to be able to make an educated rebuttal. However for whatever reason he chooses to ignore me and throw insults instead as many others have.

Tony8179 said:
Jiggy, the only reason I am responding is because Brennanscott quoted you which unfortunately means that I can read your poorly thought out response, but here you go.

Talking to you is like talking to the chair I am sitting on. I have not dodged one half assed, non-informed argument that you've made (at least until I put you on Ignore). You don't know what you're talking about. The things that you are uneducated about are vast. Too many to simply waste my time with. Saying that you don't care what Thomas and Sal say just adds to my point that you are ignorant and obviously blind to the truth. Go back and read my responses again and you will see that I answered all your silly uninformed thoughts. If you knew I blocked you and you are still typing to me as though I can read what you are saying then you are even further proving to me that you are not a smart individual. By the way, you keep saying that you had an argument. You say this as though your uninformed nonsense thoughts about a knife that you've never even touched are valid in any way, shape, or form.
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Once again more hateful rhetoric with nothing to back it up. This is quite a pathetic display of misplaced emotions. Once again. Form a rebuttal and regain some credibility.
 
Jiggy said:
Why would he not? Why would you not? Owning a sebenza has nothing to do with knowing what other VERY high quality knives cost with the same if not better materials. (specifically blade steel) I would expect someone so intelligent as himself to be able to make an educated rebuttal. However for whatever reason he chooses to ignore me and throw insults instead as many others have.
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Get yourself a tissue for those tears. I could have a better debate with my dog, she has the same amount of experience with the subject as you do.

Nite nite :)
 
Brennanscott said:
Get yourself a tissue for those tears. I could have a better debate with my dog, she has the same amount of experience with the subject as you do.

Nite nite :)
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Goodnight, Next time bring some intelligent points instead of hate speech. There is no debate between us. You choose to throw hateful rhetoric. I suppose that is because you cannot form an intelligent rebuttal because you have no room for argument. Some people are so pathetic.
 
kawr said:
Except CRK will replace that blade when the time comes. As well refurbish everything else that needs to be done. Lifetime warranty on any issues caused by normal wear so your point is moot. I've seen plenty of 20 year old sebbies that are still chuggin along just fine.
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How much does it cost to replace a blade? Seems like I read somewhere it was like $130, but don't quote me. How much is a refurb? Isn't it like $35? How about sharpening the blade? $15? Again, don't quote me on those figures, as I don't have access to CRK site right now at work or I'd check for myself.
 
Medic1210 said:
How much does it cost to replace a blade? Seems like I read somewhere it was like $130, but don't quote me. How much is a refurb? Isn't it like $35? How about sharpening the blade? $15? Again, don't quote me on those figures, as I don't have access to CRK site right now at work or I'd check for myself.
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But you have access to the BladeForums site...

Your modem must be built to .0005 tolerances.
 
Medic1210 said:
How much does it cost to replace a blade? Seems like I read somewhere it was like $130, but don't quote me. How much is a refurb? Isn't it like $35? How about sharpening the blade? $15? Again, don't quote me on those figures, as I don't have access to CRK site right now at work or I'd check for myself.
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You measure that .0005 tolerance on your bm? Still waiting. :foot:
 
I think the small tolerances are a small part of a larger picture. Alone, they are not very important. I agree that lesser tolerances do fine in general.

One of the largest--if not the foremost--benefits to any CRK knife, Sebenza included, is that you know if anything happens to it, CRK is there to fix it. When you break your 10 year old Spyderco, Benchmade, etc., at best you'll get a different model or store credit. Moreover, there have been threads where people said they had trouble getting replacement parts for foreign-made, current-production Spyderco models. None of that is a concern with a Sebenza. The service and the associated peace of mind that goes along with the knife makes it worth the price. I wish I could buy everything I use as often as my knife with such service to back it up.

Back to the tolerances, they go to show the knife is extremely well made, meaning it won't be bad engineering or manufacturing that causes the knife to stop working. Service to fix any problems that might come up *can* be great, but it wouldn't be worth it if it kept breaking so as to need to be sent in. It's the service and the precise manufacturing together that make each of them meaningful.

Furthermore, given that a Sebenza is meant to last decades instead of months or years, the tolerances are more important than for a knife that will be a shorter period, since better tolerances reduce wear and tear with normal use. Do they need to be as good as they are? No, probably not. But, if I'm buying something to last my lifetime, I'd rather have it made as good as possible.

Since everyone loves car to knife metaphors: I would gladly pay much more than what my vehicle cost me if it meant the tolerances of a CRK and the service to back it up. Really, what price would you put on a car with everything made with the engineering and manufacturing that goes into a CRK knife, and with the lifetime service? A car that will run for my lifetime? Sign me up! That goes for anything I use often, actually, not just a car; I'd gladly pay much more than I do now for the "CRK treatment" to come with them.

I'll end with something I glossed over so far. Not everyone is looking for a knife that will work as good as they got it on the day they die. For people who will be using a different knife in a month or a year than they are now, a Sebenza is definitely not worth the money because they aren't going to take advantage of what it offers for the additional cost. I suspect this is where a lot of the strife surrounding it comes from; to the question, "Is the Sebenza worth its price?" the answer is not "yes" nor "no" for everyone.
 
Medic1210 said:
Was that a typo?:confused:
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No, it wasn't.

But while I have you here, how about those claims that Benchmade and possibly Spyderco build their knives to .0005 tolerances? We have asked you to prove it all night long but I figured that your work computer selectively shows you posts like it selectively finds websites.
 
Brennanscott said:
No, it wasn't.

But while I have you here, how about those claims that Benchmade and possibly Spyderco build their knives to .0005 tolerances? We have asked you to prove it all night long but I figured that your work computer selectively shows you posts like it selectively finds websites.
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http://www.benchmade.com/about_knives/index.asp

"The Benchmade manufacturing arsenal contains ultra-modern laser cutters and machining centers dialed in for spot-on tolerances of 0.0005” on command. Our computerized machining centers offer the precision and control usually found only in the aerospace industry. Most of our products are hand assembled for a “go together” fit and finish typically seen only in a custom knife. But it’s more than just having modern equipment, for Benchmade, it’s having a workforce of dedicated and professionally skilled people knowing how to make it all work together. We also work with a specially selected group of outside manufacturing partners, who are willing to go beyond working for us— they work with us to deliver the best product regardless of price point. It’s a lot of effort for just a knife, which is why Benchmade knives aren’t “just a knife”… they’re engineered cutting tools founded on function, built for performance and recognized for both. "
 
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