Sebenza Overrated?

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Guys... It's knives. Bickering like children is going to what? Thought so. Take off your dresses and move on.
 
Jiggy said:
I have backed up everything I have said. If you want to point out something specific then go for it. I'd be glad to prove you wrong.
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Prove me wrong? You have yet to prove yourself right.. nah, not interested in futility of asking you anything.
 
risen said:
True. But, you gotta be on something to come across with the "justify/prove it" attitude that many Sebenzans seem to have as soon as they see someone who doesn't feel the knife is worth the price.

Funny thing is, the "justify/prove it" thing is coming from them, not folks who believe the knife isn't worth the price.
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perhaps, but saying it should cost less because of x, y, or z, is bs.

jiggy is not a credible source, thomas w. and sal glesser are, and crk competitors are saying it is priced correctly (among other glowing comments).

what does jiggy know about machining?

or cnc?

or knife making?

or the cost of materials?

or the cost of running the crk shop?

Personal preference. Hey, I've been saying all along Sebenza is a quality folder. So's the XM-18. The XM-18 calls out to me more than the Sebenza does. Simple as that.
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right, so "worth" really isn't a valid term here, for you at least. you don't like it because its ugly, too small, too large, whatever. personal preference, is by definition, subjective and personal. eg, if you (or anyone) says "it just doesn't feel right in my hand", then there is nothing anyone can say to change that. that person can say from personal experience that it does not fit their needs/wants. and it is a perfectly valid argument, although meaningless to me as a potential buyer.

this is a far cry from jiggy's statements and what he views as valid arguments.

what i get from reading his posts is simply jealousy that he is unable to buy what others can. therefore he feels the need to discredit the knife, and ignores posts he is unable to refute.

I know. I followed that issue when it first came up. Some folks were really unhappy, and I don't blame them one bit. I recall some chiming in with a "quit complaining and just send it back" attitude. However, if that'd happened to me after shelling out $200, I would've been pissed. No doubt.
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i wasn't pissed, a bit annoyed perhaps. i actually like to take apart my folders, clean them up, grease the action, etc, so was going to disassemble it anyway. since it came up, i took it apart earlier than i would normally, and simply shared that mine did in fact have rusty liners.

i hate sending stuff back, and prefer to just tinker. ive been able to fix most "problems" myself.

Yeah, but you shouldn't have had to do that, imo.
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agreed. my point was what you see as a good value may be very different for someone else.

even if i knew mine was going to have rusty liners, and i would have to clean it up, i would still have ordered it. i think it is that good a knife, and the price is a bargain.
 
Tony8179 said:
You sure that your Benchmade is built to the same .0005" tolerances? I don't think it is. If you're argument is going to come down to how much each company charges to resharpen a knife then your argument makes me shrug. I sharpen my own knives.
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So, just to make sure I'm right about this, when CRK says his knives are produced to 0.0005" tolerances, it's gospel, but when Benchmade says my knives are produced to 0.0005" tolerances, it's debatable?? How's that? Better yet, maybe you can educate me as to why anybody on the CRK forum would every suggest or even admit to needing to sand down the washers to make the knife smooth? If they were to 0.0005" precision, why would they ever need to be sanded. Also, why is it some folks say their CRK locks up at 30%, while some folks say theirs locks up at 50%?

Edit: And my comment regarding the sharpening fee was not in reference to the quality if the knife, it was in reference to the customer service in relation to Benchmades. Why can one company guarantee they'll sharpen your knife for as long as you own it for free, when CR won't do it without a fee?
 
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Jiggy said:
http://www.benchmade.com/about_knives/index.asp

"The Benchmade manufacturing arsenal contains ultra-modern laser cutters and machining centers dialed in for spot-on tolerances of 0.0005” on command. Our computerized machining centers offer the precision and control usually found only in the aerospace industry. Most of our products are hand assembled for a “go together” fit and finish typically seen only in a custom knife. But it’s more than just having modern equipment, for Benchmade, it’s having a workforce of dedicated and professionally skilled people knowing how to make it all work together. We also work with a specially selected group of outside manufacturing partners, who are willing to go beyond working for us— they work with us to deliver the best product regardless of price point. It’s a lot of effort for just a knife, which is why Benchmade knives aren’t “just a knife”… they’re engineered cutting tools founded on function, built for performance and recognized for both. "
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Finally, a little backup. So the "0.0005" on command" part means what?
When they are producing Gold Class knives?
 
Brennanscott said:
Medic and Jiggy... the information connection. One bases his opinion on inference, the other on made up "facts".


:rolleyes:
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How are my facts made up, when Benchmade clearly states on their website they manufacture to 0.0005" tolerances? Have you even bothered to check? Again, when have you made any useful comments in this thread?
 
Medic1210 said:
How are my facts made up, when Benchmade clearly states on their website they manufacture to 0.0005" tolerances? Have you even bothered to check? Again, when have you made any useful comments in this thread?
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They clearly don't say that.

They do however say that their cutting and machinery stations can be dialed in to 0.0005 tolerances "on command" though.
 
MORIMOTOM said:
yeah, and this is a knife forum. what would you like us to talk about?

you're a genius.
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This isn't a discussion. The last two pages have consisted of "where is your proof" and "prove it to me". Your "facts" aren't going to change the percieved notions of Jiggy, so what's the point?

Whatever, enjoy your Friday in a heated discussion on the internet with people that are locked into an viewpoint about a knife you own that you don't appreciate. Genius.:rolleyes:

edit: it's Saturday... Hmm
 
Medic1210 said:
How are my facts made up, when Benchmade clearly states on their website they manufacture to 0.0005" tolerances? Have you even bothered to check? Again, when have you made any useful comments in this thread?
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My work computer only accesses BladeForums.com. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
kawr said:
Now you're just lying. You're welcome to prove everyone wrong by busting out the calipers and measuring those 0.0005 tolerances on your Benchmade and posting the pics to prove it. If you want proof of those tolerances on the sebenza just do a search on the CRK forums.
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So now you're going so far as to call me a liar? I'll ask again, how is it when CRK claims 0.0005" tolerances, it's gospel, but when Benchmade claims it, it's a lie? Sorry, but I'm in Afghanistan, and I don't have my calipers with me at the moment, so you're just going to have to take Benchmade's word. Personally, I could care less if my knife is made to 0.0005" tolerances or 0.0006" tolerances. All I know is my Benchmades are smoother and faster than the Sebenza I owned, and they lock up like a vault. There's a reason I sold my Sebenza and have bought multiple Benchmades in the years that followed. To each their own, but to call me a liar is something I'd challenge you to do to my face.
 
Well, one thing for sure CRK fans have mucho tighter tolernaces to anything remotely resembling critics of CRK than CRK production tolerances are. Hardly a newsflash though.

For the record, the OP reads:
Thrustus said:
...I don't want to hear from the million fans telling me why ther'ye the best but rather from the minority that think ther'ye a bit overrated.
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Either way, it was about stating an OPINION.
And for the record, opinion(s) can be, and are formed w/o actual experience with the subject all the time.
What is the problem with that for some of the members I don't understand.

Brennanscott and Tony8179 - do you believe in god? Or do you have problems with people who do? That's
clearly something nobody has neither first nor second hand experience with, yet they, or may be even you have very strong opinions about that and live entire lives based on that...
 
somber said:
This isn't a discussion. The last two pages have consisted of "where is your proof" and "prove it to me". Your "facts" aren't going to change the percieved notions of Jiggy, so what's the point?

Whatever, enjoy your Friday in a heated discussion on the internet with people that are locked into an viewpoint about a knife you own that you don't appreciate. Genius.:rolleyes:
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well, i've stopped responding to jiggy, and i'm basically just exhanging posts with risen.

that last sentence doesn't even make sense.

so yeah, whatever. if there's no point, and we are all wasting our time, why are you here?
 
Medic1210 said:
So, just to make sure I'm right about this, when CRK says his knives are produced to 0.0005" tolerances, it's gospel, but when Benchmade says my knives are produced to 0.0005" tolerances, it's debatable?? How's that? Better yet, maybe you can educate me as to why anybody on the CRK forum would every suggest or even admit to needing to sand down the washers to make the knife smooth? If they were to 0.0005" precision, why would they ever need to be sanded. Also, why is it some folks say their CRK locks up at 30%, while some folks say theirs locks up at 50%?

Edit: And my comment regarding the sharpening fee was not in reference to the quality if the knife, it was in reference to the customer service in relation to Benchmades. Why can one company guarantee they'll sharpen your knife for as long as you own it for free, when CR won't do it without a fee?
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Theres a recent thread on the CRK forums showing the .0005 tolerances of the sebenza, complete with pics. Wheres the proof with those BMs. Thats right there is none.
 
Brennanscott said:
Finally, a little backup. So the "0.0005" on command" part means what?
When they are producing Gold Class knives?
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We must have been reading this at the same time on BM's website. I know when its time for me to eat some crow. When there's proof evident how can someone say otherwise? No reason for me to not believe BM's website. I do think that Brennanscott makes a point about the Gold Class series because I find it hard to believe that all BM models are produced to those standards, especially the ones I've owned and subsequently sold. I will always give it up to BM for their Balisongs.
 
kawr said:
I like how you choose to ignore people asking you to prove your benchmades having .0005 tolerances since thats pretty much the basis of your argument.
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Or, maybe a more logical reason would be that I'm responding to posts as I read them, in order. To help you understand the idea better, the post you just quoted was in response to a post that was made before someone challenged me to prove something that I feel no need to prove. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...sg=AFQjCNERiUgucn8rs-EzoJxypsG-S9mlqw&cad=rja
 
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