Sebenza Overrated?

[Gator97]

Theres a recent thread on the CRK forums showing the .0005 tolerances of the sebenza, complete with pics. Wheres the proof with those BMs. Thats right there is none.

Since you're the one who is deeply concerned, how about instead of asking a guy deployed in Afghanistan, you bust out your calipers and do measurements to disprove Benchmade's claim. Some of us, don't have a reason to question that.

 

[Medic1210]

No I don't get it. One gives opinion on things that one either has experience with or put research into. That's basic debate my man. You don't give your opinion or make an argument about things you have no experience with or have not done your research on.

It's funny you mention the part about the research, because nowhere prior to this have I heard anybody question whether or not the guy has researched the knife. Everybody, yourself included, has harped on him for not having 1st hand experience of holding, using or owning one. That, my friend, is why I said what I said. Everybody here seems to think that the only way you can form an opinion of something is if you've actually owned, held or used something.

 

[Tony8179]

Brennanscott and Tony8179 - do you believe in god? Or do you have problems with people who do? That's
clearly something nobody has neither first nor second hand experience with, yet they, or may be even you have very strong opinions about that and live entire lives based on that...

I don't care about anything in this post before what you say right here. First of all, I don't know you in the slightest so don't ever ask me about my religion or my beliefs or even begin to make an assumption of my upbringing from what you've read through a few posts about a knife. Second, don't you dare bring into question my character and how I view people because of those same few posts that you read. There's a reason you don't talk religion in this place. I don't care what type of point you were trying to make. You don't want to know my views on religion, god, or life and I certainly wouldn't waste a moment of my time, or single breath of air to share them with a person like you. :thumbdn:

 

[kawr]

Since you're the one who is deeply concerned, how about instead of asking a guy deployed in Afghanistan, you bust out your calipers and do measurements to disprove Benchmade's claim. Some of us, don't have a reason to question that.

Its not me that should have to prove anything since I'm not the one claiming it as fact. Theres already plenty of proof on CRKs. When you base your entire argument on the fact that Benchmades are all built to the same tolerances as CRK and so theres no reason to buy CRK knives then you best back that up with actual proof and not just unclear wording from BM's site stating that.

 

[Tony8179]

It's funny you mention the part about the research, because nowhere prior to this have I heard anybody question whether or not the guy has researched the knife. Everybody, yourself included, has harped on him for not having 1st hand experience of holding, using or owning one. That, my friend, is why I said what I said. Everybody here seems to think that the only way you can form an opinion of something is if you've actually owned, held or used something.

I assume you're referring to Jiggy. Yeah, you're right. He sounds like a credible source who has done his research. How foolish of me to doubt him.

 

[Medic1210]

But you have access to the BladeForums site...

Your modem must be built to .0005 tolerances.

Dude, how old are you? Does your mommy know you're playing on the internet this late?

 

[Brennanscott]

Dude, how old are you? Does your mommy know you're playing on the internet this late?

Why again can you post here but can't check Chris Reeve's website cause you're at work?

 

[Spark]

ATTENTION CHILDREN

Y'all need to simma down now. Cut out the insults immediately. If I see anything rude past this point, week long bans will be handed out.

 

[Gator97]

First of all, I don't know you in the slightest so don't ever ask me about my religion or my beliefs or even begin to make an assumption of my upbringing from what you've read through a few posts about a knife.

Chill out will ya? I asked in general if you believed or not, or if you had problems with other people who do believe in god. Personally, to me it makes no difference what you believe in, it's personal. I'm not so sure why would U get so worked up about a very simple question though. Did I criticize your beliefs or what?

Second, don't you dare bring into question my character and how I view people because of those same few posts that you read.

Ouch Anyway, read my last post again plz. I didn't "bring your character" into question. What I did question was the validity of the statement you and few others made multiple times, specifically that one can not have an option w/o actually having experience with something. Religion being a very good example of strong opinions based on no "first hand experience", and based on your overreaction, apparently you do have strong opinions about that.

I don't care what type of point you were trying to make.

Too bad you decide to get worked up and reply in that case.

You don't want to know my views on religion, god, or life and I certainly wouldn't waste a moment of my time, or single breath of air to share them with a person like you. :thumbdn:

Interesting, are they so bad or am I so bad? Like You said, none of us really knows each other.
Hey, wait, didn't you just form a strong (negative) opinion about me based on pretty much nothing, few posts or just one. Few words you read on the internet, simply put...

So, it works for people, but not for Sebenzas?

 

[Medic1210]

They clearly don't say that.

They do however say that their cutting and machinery stations can be dialed in to 0.0005 tolerances "on command" though.

And the sad part is, you've vehemently pushed me to prove something you could have just looked up yourself. When's the last time you actually put calipers to your Sebenza, or are you just taking CRK and other's word for it? Dude, grow up.

 

[Jeremy Barnard]

It's funny you mention the part about the research, because nowhere prior to this have I heard anybody question whether or not the guy has researched the knife. Everybody, yourself included, has harped on him for not having 1st hand experience of holding, using or owning one. That, my friend, is why I said what I said. Everybody here seems to think that the only way you can form an opinion of something is if you've actually owned, held or used something.

I don't care about anything in this post before what you say right here. First of all, I don't know you in the slightest so don't ever ask me about my religion or my beliefs or even begin to make an assumption of my upbringing from what you've read through a few posts about a knife. Second, don't you dare bring into question my character and how I view people because of those same few posts that you read. There's a reason you don't talk religion in this place. I don't care what type of point you were trying to make. You don't want to know my views on religion, god, or life and I certainly wouldn't waste a moment of my time, or single breath of air to share them with a person like you. :thumbdn:

I think this guy has serious emotional issues.

Its not me that should have to prove anything since I'm not the one claiming it as fact. Theres already plenty of proof on CRKs. When you base your entire argument on the fact that Benchmades are all built to the same tolerances as CRK and so theres no reason to buy CRK knives then you best back that up with actual proof and not just unclear wording from BM's site stating that.

I sent benchmade a message as well as post on their forums about the tolerances. I wouldn't say there is no reason if you like the crk designs.

perhaps, but saying it should cost less because of x, y, or z, is bs.

jiggy is not a credible source, thomas w. and sal glesser are, and crk competitors are saying it is priced correctly (among other glowing comments).

what does jiggy know about machining?

or cnc?

or knife making?

or the cost of materials?

or the cost of running the crk shop?




right, so "worth" really isn't a valid term here, for you at least. you don't like it because its ugly, too small, too large, whatever. personal preference, is by definition, subjective and personal. eg, if you (or anyone) says "it just doesn't feel right in my hand", then there is nothing anyone can say to change that. that person can say from personal experience that it does not fit their needs/wants. and it is a perfectly valid argument, although meaningless to me as a potential buyer.

this is a far cry from jiggy's statements and what he views as valid arguments.

what i get from reading his posts is simply jealousy that he is unable to buy what others can. therefore he feels the need to discredit the knife, and ignores posts he is unable to refute.



i wasn't pissed, a bit annoyed perhaps. i actually like to take apart my folders, clean them up, grease the action, etc, so was going to disassemble it anyway. since it came up, i took it apart earlier than i would normally, and simply shared that mine did in fact have rusty liners.

i hate sending stuff back, and prefer to just tinker. ive been able to fix most "problems" myself.



agreed. my point was what you see as a good value may be very different for someone else.

even if i knew mine was going to have rusty liners, and i would have to clean it up, i would still have ordered it. i think it is that good a knife, and the price is a bargain.

I know nothing about any of those think you mentioned. However I do know the price of some very nice spyderco and BM knives with the same and materials and some being with better steels at less then half the price of a Sebenza. No one can seem to explain this to me. All I get is hate. If you are suggesting by posting FACTS about the materials used vs the price of the knives that I am discrediting a knife you are sadly mistaken. Could you do me a favor and educate me?

 

[Medic1210]

No, it wasn't.

I'm starting to see that. I thought your reference to sticking with the plan of SHARTING an opinion was a typo, but you've completely proved it wasn't with your participation in this thread. You've said a lot, yet haven't had anything to say.

 

[Brennanscott]

And the sad part is, you've vehemently pushed me to prove something you could have just looked up yourself. When's the last time you actually put calipers to your Sebenza, or are you just taking CRK and other's word for it? Dude, grow up.

Still no proof on the Benchmades. More than enough proof on the CRK's.

 

[Medic1210]

Its not me that should have to prove anything since I'm not the one claiming it as fact. Theres already plenty of proof on CRKs. When you base your entire argument on the fact that Benchmades are all built to the same tolerances as CRK and so theres no reason to buy CRK knives then you best back that up with actual proof and not just unclear wording from BM's site stating that.

I tell you what, you hold your breath while I take my measurements. You don't want to take Benchmade's word for it, you're sure as hell not going to take my measurements as proof. Again, I have absolutely no desire to prove anything to you or anybody else on this forum. I was simply stating what Benchmade says on their site, which you called me a liar on. Again, I'll challenge you to call me that to my face one day after I get back home. BTW, since you have so much free time on your hands, why don't you break out the calipers and camera on your Sebenza and prove to us that your particular knife is in line with the 0.0005" tolerances too.

 

[Brennanscott]

Aren't you gonna wait to see if Benchmade actually manufactures their knifes to a .0005 tolerance on their machines that they say can be "dialed in to .0005" on command" before you beat us up when you get home?

 

[Medic1210]

Why again can you post here but can't check Chris Reeve's website cause you're at work?

Is it really that hard for you to understand? The sensor programs key in on words for particular websites. They key in on Benchmade, KnifeArt, Chris Reeve, etc, but they do not key in on this site yet. I can even access KnifeCenter, but when it comes to trying to make a purchase, the checkout screen is blocked. Honestly, I have no idea why I'm even explaining myself to you. You've proven how much you have to contribute to the discussion many posts ago.

 

[Brennanscott]

Is it really that hard for you to understand? The sensor programs key in on words for particular websites. They key in on Benchmade, KnifeArt, Chris Reeve, etc, but they do not key in on this site yet. I can even access KnifeCenter, but when it comes to trying to make a purchase, the checkout screen is blocked. Honestly, I have no idea why I'm even explaining myself to you. You've proven how much you have to contribute to the discussion many posts ago.

And you have yet to prove anything other than you are willing to now challenge people of opposing viewpoint face to face when you get home.

 

[Medic1210]

Aren't you gonna wait to see if Benchmade actually manufactures their knifes to a .0005 tolerance on their machines that they say can be "dialed in to .0005" on command" before you beat us up when you get home?

Wow, 38 posts in this thread, and not a single one even comes close to actually trying to offer anything to the discussion. Bravo.

Edited out of respect to Spark, as I just read his comment.

 

[Melvin-Purvis]

Yes, but is the Sebenza overrated?

 

[kawr]

I tell you what, you hold your breath while I take my measurements. You don't want to take Benchmade's word for it, you're sure as hell not going to take my measurements as proof. Again, I have absolutely no desire to prove anything to you or anybody else on this forum. I was simply stating what Benchmade says on their site, which you called me a liar on. Again, I'll challenge you to call me that to my face one day after I get back home. BTW, since you have so much free time on your hands, why don't you break out the calipers and camera on your Sebenza and prove to us that your particular knife is in line with the 0.0005" tolerances too.

So you resort to threatening now? Go read BM's site again and this time take your time to actually comprehend whats being said before you talk again. Yes your a liar because your claims of your $100 BM knives being on par with Sebenzas in quality is a lie. You're basically saying CRK is fraud for overcharging. You are saying Sal and Thomas W are lying and in it together to rip off honest customers. Did you really think I'd run away all scared just because you act like an e-thug. You lost all credibility.