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bld522 said:
Funny you should mention that. In a thread which has been lost to the sands of time (and the action of a moderator), Andrew all but admitted he couldn't beat the RAO. That's why I don't think you'll ever see him test it. And it's also why I keep bringing it up.

I have no reason to contact Extrema Ratio. They're not the ones that are out there putting everybody else's knife locks down but their own.

I should also mention that Cold Steel recently instigated a lawsuit over the use of the term "virtual fixed-blade" used by one of its competitors to describe the locking strength of some of their folders. But to date, I see no evidence that it has taken on Extrema Ratio over the use of the term "real fixed blade" to describe the locking strength of the RAO.

In a test between the RAO and a Tri-Ad folder, the smart money would be on the RAO.
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He did not all but admit. He was being sarcastic. He also said the RAO test was on the list.
 
Topcatpt said:
And nothing against extrema ratio but they don't have a big chunk of any market and cold steel seems to be testing more popular brands.
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Which makes it all the more interesting that Cold Steel found it necessary to soften its rhetoric concerning the strength of the 4-MAX. Cold Steel doesn't strike me as the kind of company that backs off its inflated claims easily. If that wasn't due to the RAO, what was it due to?
 
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bld522 said:
Which makes it all the more interesting that Cold Steel found it necessary to soften its rhetoric concerning the strength of the 4-MAX. If that wasn't due to the RAO, what was it due to?
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We can only speculate; that said, what if we gin up a wave of requests to them that they give us 4-Max vs. RAO? I'm not sure where best to make such requests, but we could figure it out and then it shouldn't be too hard to call them out on it.

That still won't make the Sebenza closing up at forty-five pounds any less interesting, but it would be funny to see them do a head to head that they lose, if they did.
 
bld522 said:
Which makes it all the more interesting that Cold Steel found it necessary to soften its rhetoric concerning the strength of the 4-MAX. If that wasn't due to the RAO, what was it due to?
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Truthfully havent been following the rhetoric. So I cannot really answer that. But I will retract my one statement because apparently they have tested a extreme ratio knife before on a video.
 
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KBA said:
However, the video has created a desire for a stronger lock. [/B]
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That's the point and why people are getting so heated right here.. In the sebenza's 25 yeah history have you ever herd of a sebenza failing.. Im not saying it hasn't happened I'm just saying seems like you would be hearing it a little more if the "cr frame lock" we're a weak lock.. And yet A test with no credibility performed by a company that if you had seen their YouTube channel would know pretty much would do anything for attention or make people wanna talk about their knives..
 
KBA said:
Agreed. I don't remember him spine whacking though. I mainly remember him lifting the knife around 6-10 inches from a board and stabbing it, followed by prying a bit of the tip. I may need to watch it again.
While watching it I do remember thinking that the test he did showed the tip strength and wondering how a ZAN is different than a 21 due to the thumb studs. However, I don't really think his tested showed much stress on the lock. Again, I could be wrong and need to watch it again.
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Yes, he did hit it repeatedly against the solid board.
 
Seems the cold steel nay sayers just want to see the tri ad lock beaten by ANY lock Lol

How many rao knives do you own bld522 ? Do you have any skin in this game? What's your point in railing against the triad lock to the tune of the rao knife?

Seems to me your motivation is none other than being a hater.
 
shinyedges said:
Seems the cold steel nay sayers just want to see the tri ad lock beaten by ANY lock.
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You've got to admit that would be a lot of fun to watch. Or do you just get your kicks when the tri ad beats someone else's lock?

Anyway, don't worry. I don't think we'll see a video of the tri ad being beaten anytime soon even though by Andrew's own admission there's a contender out there waiting to be tested. ;)
 
I currently own zero cold steel products and don't even watch their videos anymore.

I would watch their video of a 4max vs rao if it were to come out.


I'm asking you what the purpose of your chest thumping against the triad lock is?

Do you even own the rao knife or just continuously tout that it is stronger than the triad lock just to campaign against cold steel because you're a hater...
bld522 said:
You've got to admit that would be a lot of fun to watch. Or do you just get your kicks when the tri ad beats someone else's lock?

Anyway, don't worry. I don't think we'll see a video of that anytime soon. ;)
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ursamajor said:
He did not all but admit. He was being sarcastic. He also said the RAO test was on the list.
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You are correct.
bld522 said:
Which makes it all the more interesting that Cold Steel found it necessary to soften its rhetoric concerning the strength of the 4-MAX. Cold Steel doesn't strike me as the kind of company that backs off its inflated claims easily. If that wasn't due to the RAO, what was it due to?
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bld522 said:
No we don't. We can read what Andrew wrote. There's no speculating about that.
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Should I quote my previous posts? Or will you just ignore the reason in that also?

He said he didn't know if it would win. That's a simple, ambiguous, and honest statement. Probably because Demko shows respect for the competitors and their knives he tests, as you conveniently ignore. If there's any speculation worth making, it's that his use of quotations around "real fixed blade" were tongue in cheek because no folding knife can ever be that; an actual fixed blade, as is constantly stated on BF. As for the description, in response to your previous argument, yes I think retailers probably share descriptions and there is absolutely no basis to the idea that they take their descriptions directly from manufacturers. Look how many retailer descriptions have actual errors. Here is Cold Steel's description, from their official website:

"This over-built beast is without a doubt the strongest knife we have ever produced and we're willing to bet that right now, it's the strongest 4" folding knife in the world!"

So at this point, if you insist on arguing that Cold Steel has changed their rhetoric to reflect the belief that the RAO is stronger then you are just plain incorrect.

I don't know why you're so fired up about this, but why not just agree to disagree with the thread in general. You've made it clear what you think. It seems a better use of your passion on this subject would be to foment a movement for Cold Steel to test the 4 Max against the RAO.
 
Just come out and say it, you just want to see the tri ad lock beat in its own tests.

That's all you care about , you don't own either knife and your sole purpose of pursuing this is your dislike of cold steel...
 
bld522 said:
No we don't. We can read what Andrew wrote. There's no speculating about that. (See post #236 above.)
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That's a bait and switch. I'm saying we can only speculate that the RAO is the reason, unless you have some other source in which someone from CS says "we changed this marketing blurb because we're afraid of the RAO".

Your source does show admirably that they're afraid of it, though, which is amusing in its own right.

Let's start by spinning up another thread in their subforum asking when they're going to test the RAO.
 
shinyedges said:
I currently own zero cold steel products and don't even watch their videos anymore.

I would watch their video of a 4max vs rao if it were to come out.


I'm asking you what the purpose of your chest thumping against the triad lock is?

Do you even own the rao knife or just continuously tout that it is stronger than the triad lock just to campaign against cold steel because you're a hater...
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Nah. I gave up holding resentments a long time ago. Besides, what you think of me is none of my business.

Have a nice day! :)
 
Nice avoid the questions and deny. Classic hater troll.

Your ugliness is showing again, you can't even admit what everyone already knows.

You have a nice day as well, trolling is hard work.:)
bld522 said:
Nah. I gave up holding resentments a long time ago. Besides, what you think of me is none of my business.

Have a nice day! :)
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shinyedges said:
Just come out and say it, you just want to see the tri ad lock beat in its own tests.

That's all you care about , you don't own either knife and your sole purpose of pursuing this is your dislike of cold steel...
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I think that would be funny, and I like Cold Steel knives. In fact, some of my CS knives are my most used knives. That wouldn't make it any less entertaining to see them lose at their own marketing game, though.
 
I agree, personally I don't think it would be a death blow to cold steel any way.

If I'm not mistaken the rao knife is not as simple as depressing a bar to unlock.

I like entertainment as much as the next guy, and think it would be a good show down.
evilgreg said:
I think that would be funny, and I like Cold Steel knives. In fact, some of my CS knives are my most used knives. That wouldn't make it any less entertaining to see them lose at their own marketing game, though.
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Where are we? Back in Junior High? Prove it! No, prove I don't. I double dare you to prove it. Well, I TRIPLE dare you to prove I don't. :rolleyes:

I've already stated what I own in other threads. If it's important for you to find out, go look for yourself. Oh, and when you get back be sure to bring a towel with you. You'll need it to wipe the egg off your face. ;)
 
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