Shame on you Jim Adams

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H31sh1nt0rA1 said:
That's pretty much how I understand it.



Jim, I don't think anyone is questioning your moral ethics. Good on you for not copying the design. Still, I believe you cost yourself the business. There are actions you could have taken to complete the deal, regardless.



You are out much, much more than $250. EDIT: ^I think you should look into editing as a profession instead of knifemaking. I think it's quite clear which you are better at.
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Bite me :)

Remember if Delwin hadn't lied to me. There would be no GBU thread.
 
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Delwin said:
To believe me or not is one thing. But when goods not delievered and payment not being returned is another issue.
His reputation is in the toilet is done by himself. He should offered to make me another knife if he is not comfortable with what i wanted. But he choose to lied to me. I maybe be at fault in one way, but he as a professional should advise me.
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Sir, you are a Liar and you should be banned from the Forum!
 
sinsanity said:
As an artist why can you just not use those materials and build a completely different knife to make your money back? Why are you so strung out from spending money to get materials you need to work your craft? You can easily make something else with the materials instead of being playing this petty reputation destroying facade you have going on.
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I see stupid people.
 
CajunKing said:
Sir, you are a Liar and you should be banned from the Forum!
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Handwrecker said:
Where did Delwin tell you the design originated from? Clearly you didn't recognize it as Mike Burch's.

Cordially,
Mr. Dickweed
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I'm curious about this as well. Do you have a statement from Delwin addressing the origin of the design? If so please show us so we can address all the facts.
 
Handwrecker said:
Where did Delwin tell you the design originated from? Clearly you didn't recognize it as Mike Burch's.

Cordially,
Mr. Dickweed
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Delwin, said it was his design. I wasn't familiar with Michael's work so I didn't recognize it. My friend that does my waterjetting informed me after I had sent him all the parts. You seen the drawing he sent me?

Remember if Delwin hadn't lied to me. There would be no GBU thread.
 
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H31sh1nt0rA1 said:
I'm curious about this as well. Do you have a statement from Delwin addressing the origin of the design? If so please show us so we can address all the facts.
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He sent me a drawing. I redrew it in Photoshop. I looked I don't have the orginal drawing, that was two computer crashes ago. I basically traced what he had.

Remember if Delwin hadn't lied to me. There would be no GBU thread.
 
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So this whole incident in a nut shell:


Delwin commissioned Jim Adams to copy someone else's knife without letting Jim know the truth.

Jim bought the materials and somehow found out.

Jim knows that to copy someone else's knife is wrong and Delwin is at fault for not telling him the truth.
So instead of backing out of the deal completely Jim decided to keep his money for a while to punish Delwin.

Delwin made it public and here we are.


Delwin souldn't commission a knifemaker to copy, and Jim shouldn't keep his money because he's no knife police so it's not up to him to deliver the punishment.


Am I missing anything?
 
Jim Adams Customs said:
Delwin, said it was his design. I wasn't familiar with Michael's work so I didn't recognize it. My friend that does my waterjetting informed me after I had sent him all the parts. You seen the drawing he sent me?
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Jim Adams Customs said:
He sent me a drawing. I redrew it in Photoshop. I looked I don't have the orginal drawing, that was two computer crashes ago. I basically traced what he had.
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If that's the case then, Delwin is definitely in the wrong for doing so. The fact that he claimed the design was his should probably have been made clearer. I think he commented in an earlier post about not knowing it's wrong/unethical because he's Chinese and accustomed to copied designs.

riderV3 said:
So this whole incident in a nut shell:

Delwin souldn't commission a knifemaker to copy, and Jim shouldn't keep his money because he's no knife police so it's not up to him to deliver the punishment.
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+1 :thumbup:
 
riderV3 said:
So this whole incident in a nut shell:


Delwin commissioned Jim Adams to copy someone else's knife without letting Jim know the truth.

Jim bought the materials and somehow found out.

Jim knows that to copy someone else's knife is wrong and Delwin is at fault for not telling him the truth.
So instead of backing out of the deal completely Jim decided to keep his money for a while to punish Delwin.

Delwin made it public and here we are.


Delwin souldn't commission a knifemaker to copy, and Jim shouldn't keep his money because he's no knife police so it's not up to him to deliver the punishment.


Am I missing anything?
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That pretty much sums up the situation IMO.

The main part where Jim screwed up is lying about having shipped. The rest I can live with to some degree. Having to wait a little while for a refund after tying up a knifemaker's capitol is hardly unfair... at least until the knifemaker could recover that capitol by making another knife, or selling the materials.

Ideally, a business should have money in the bank to purchase those materials, prepayment always seems to end in tears. Unfortunately, many very small/hobby type business don't always have that capability. Some are able to accept prepayment without incident, but many aren't.

I myself have screwed up on prepaid orders, in the way of missing my promised delivery date due to delays with my vendors. Due to that reason, I now no longer accept prepayment for orders, if I can't afford to produce the product from my own capitol before payment, then I don't produce the product.

H31sh1nt0rA1 said:
I think he commented in an earlier post about not knowing it's wrong/unethical because he's Chinese and accustomed to copied designs.
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I can somewhat forgive that due to Chinese culture/business practice. The thing is, it mostly applies to a production design being copied by another production company. In this niche market where the line between knifemakers and artists is blurred, it becomes much less acceptable... it leans more towards plagarism than competition.
 
iandh said:
I can somewhat forgive that due to Chinese culture/business practice. The thing is, it mostly applies to a production design being copied by another production company. In this niche market where the line between knifemakers and artists is blurred, it becomes much less acceptable... it leans more towards plagarism than competition.
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I agree. What is considered a somewhat normal business practice there is a big no-no in communities like this. Given that he supposedly misinformed Mr. Adams due to ignorance about the way things roll around here, there's not much to do but learn from his mistake. Even if he deserves "punishment", I hardly think any of us here, Jim included, has the right to charge him with it :(
 
Hello Jim, can you tell me when are you going to sent me back my money.
Also please show me a copy of prove that you have sent out the money.
 
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