Shame on you Jim Adams

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SurvivetheCollapse said:
Ergos are different, choil is different, blade isn't rounded on the spine and the points. What kind of grind was he asking for?

Wait a sec... Who cares?

Instead of saying the design needed to be modified, you decided to steal his money.

Cool. Great company you have there...

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Dickweed, I paid the man his money plus interest. I did not steal his money. Don't call me a thief and I wont call you dickweed.

Why don't you send that drawing to Michael Burch and see if it would be okay for you to make. That Drawing is Michael Burch's Design. It's not kinda like Michael Burch's. It is Michael Burch's.

Put your money where your mouth is I will bet you $100.00 that is Michael Burch's design. I'll be waiting till you prove me wrong. Just email Michael and attach the drawing and ask him if it is his design? Hey seems like an easy $100.00 to me if you are so sure it isn't.

Remember if Delwin hadn't lied to me. There would be no GBU thread.
 
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Jim Adams Customs said:
Dickweed, I paid the man his money plus interest. I did not steal his money. Don't call me a thief and I wont call you dickweed.

Why don't you send that drawing to Michael Burch and see if it would be okay for you to make. That Drawing is Michael Burch's Design. It's not kinda like Michael Burch's. It is Michael Burch's.

Put your money where your mouth is I will bet you $100.00 that is Michael Burch's design. I'll be waiting till you prove me wrong. Just email Michael and attach the drawing and ask him if it is his design? Hey seems like an easy $100.00 to me if you are so sure it isn't.
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Wow, way to miss a point. Seriously.

You stole the guy's money until he called you out here. Yea.

Oh wait you just lied about sending him the knife, and it being lost in the mail. Because you weren't hoping the Chinese guy would just give up, knowing he wouldn't even be able to sue.

Yea, and I am the dickweed. Good luck with your failing company.
 
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Jim Adams Customs said:
Thank you gentleman for point out that it is Okay to copy another maker's knife. Just as long as kinda don't look like another knife.
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Been following this for a while now, and at this point I'm almost at a loss of words for you. I find the design that as been posted to be extremely generic and not a copy of Burch's. As a knifemaker yourself, you should also have the talent and ability to make it your own given the simple design. As said before, the logical course of action would be to contact the buyer about the problem and resolve it from there on, not assume that the buyer was out to get you. I find it extremely hard to understand why you jumped the gun and thought you were under fire, and then devised some evil scheme to get back at him.

Anyway, the fact is, you could have handled yourself much better from the beginning. I'd even go as far as to say that if you owned up to your actions and avoided being a :jerkit: in this discussion, you may have something worth salvaging. Instead, everything you have and haven't said here will only come back and hurt you. At this point, the only thing you can(and should) do is to clam up and make the buyer whole ASAP, no need for any bells and whistles. Everything that comes out of you only serves to dig you a deeper grave anyway. Unless of course, you're trying to find an excuse to quit knifemaking.

Edit: BTW, where did anyone say it was okay to copy another knifemaker's design? Please show me if I've missed it. And you're missing the point. It is of course unethical to copy another maker's design, but that's not the problem here.
 
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Generic My a$$. That is direct copy of Michael Burch's Knife.

Remember if Delwin hadn't lied to me. There would be no GBU thread.
 
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safetyman said:
Now those are almost identical.
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YEAH THOSE PATTERNS ARE VERY WELL ALIKE,LIKE JIM ,ANY MAKER DOESNT WANT TO TAKE ANOTHER MANS DESIGN, ITCOULD GET YOU A$$ IN BIG TROUBLE, THE WAY THIS THREAD LOOKS,JIM HAS LOST BOTH WAYS! NO WAY OUT BRO:confused:
 
I'm sorry, but have we all missed the point here?

I agree that with the correct picture, the design is now a copy of Burch's knife. I'm sure no one will argue with that.

However, it seems to me that the problem here since the very beginning is your conduct, Mr. Adams. With all due respect, I can not find any reason to justify your actions. You did not seek to resolve the problem, but instead somehow decided to make it worse. It is my understanding that you did not communicate what you were thinking to the buyer, and as an individual in the middle of a deal with another person, made a decision by yourself. A stupid decision.

Regardless of the knife design, you screwed up.
 
H31sh1nt0rA1 said:
I'm sorry, but have we all missed the point here?
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I don't think anyone has missed the point. Jim has already apologized earlier in the thread and mentioned that payment is on the way:


Jim Adams Customs said:
Mr Delwin I was wrong to keep your money, I am sorry for that.

I am also sorry I lied to you about the shipping.

I added the interest not because I felt guilty, I did it because it was the right thing to do.

Your payment is on it way. That Gentleman is all I can do.


At this point, there is nothing else to be said.
Good Night Gentleman
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Don't know what else to do but wait to see if/when Delwin gets his refund.
 
safetyman said:
I don't think anyone has missed the point. Jim has already apologized earlier in the thread and mentioned that payment is on the way:



Don't know what else to do but wait to see if/when Delwin gets his refund.
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Absolutely. I dutifully acknowledge that he has offered his apology :thumbup:.

I'm sorry if I came off disrespectful in anyway, it was not my intention.

Waiting on Delwin.
 
Ok, someone fill in the blanks or correct me if I missed something.

* Delwin asked Adams to build a knife for him and he attached the sketch of what he wanted.
* Delwin said the sketch was his design.
* Adams agreed, bought materials for $250 without realizing it was Burch's design. Adams only realized when Adams' material supplier informed him.
* Supposedly outraged at copying Burch's design, Adams informs Delwin that the knife is made, mailed, and does not have any receipts, photos, or a tracking number.
* Delwin sends full, prompt payment for the knife that he commissioned, while Adams takes the money.
* Delwin waits for about 2 months, then posts on GBU, and hears a few other similar stories.
* Adams claims that the Christian god made/wanted him to lie and steal.
* The internet lambastes Adams.
* Adams offers to return the $400 he accepted for a knife that he never built, plus adds $20 to smooth things over.
* Adams calls 2 bladeforums users "dickweed" for not agreeing with the train of thought or resolution.
* Adams argues that keeping Delwin's $400 was justified, because Delwin cost him $250 in unused materials.

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/EPH/9091~Jesus-Loves-You-Posters.jpg

(( Unncessarily vulgar. This is not Whine & Cheese and you are not the injured party. Ease up on the outrage. ))
 
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I did what was right, and I didn't copy another man's knife. If that cost me my business so be it.

Good Night Gentlemen, I am unsubscribing from this thread because it is dead dog. So you all have fun. I have Knives to make.

Remember if Delwin hadn't lied to me. There would be no GBU thread.
 
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Handwrecker said:
Ok, someone fill in the blanks or correct me if I missed something.

* Delwin asked Adams to build a knife for him and he attached the sketch of what he wanted.
* Adams agreed, bought materials without realizing it was Burch's design and only realized when Adams' material supplier informed him.
* Supposedly outraged at copying Burch's design, Adams informs Delwin that the knife is made, mailed, and does not have any receipts, photos, or a tracking number.
* Delwin sends full, prompt payment for the knife that he commissioned, while Adams takes the money.
* Delwin waits for about 2 months, then posts on GBU, and hears a few other similar stories.
* Adams claims that the Christian god made/wanted him to lie and steal.
* The internet lambastes Adams.
* Adams returned the $400 he accepted for a knife that he never built, plus $20 interest.
* Adams calls a bladeforums user "dickweed" for not agreeing with the train of thought or resolution.
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You forgot his one

*If Delwin hadn't lied about the origin of design, this would never be a GBU thread.
 
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Handwrecker said:
Ok, someone fill in the blanks or correct me if I missed something.

* Delwin asked Adams to build a knife for him and he attached the sketch of what he wanted.
* Adams agreed, bought materials without realizing it was Burch's design and only realized when Adams' material supplier informed him.
* Supposedly outraged at copying Burch's design, Adams informs Delwin that the knife is made, mailed, and does not have any receipts, photos, or a tracking number.
* Delwin sends full, prompt payment for the knife that he commissioned, while Adams takes the money.
* Delwin waits for about 2 months, then posts on GBU, and hears a few other similar stories.
* Adams claims that the Christian god made/wanted him to lie and steal.
* The internet lambastes Adams.
* Adams offers to return the $400 he accepted for a knife that he never built, plus adds $20 to smooth things over.
* Adams calls a bladeforums user "dickweed" for not agreeing with the train of thought or resolution.

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/EPH/9091~Jesus-Loves-You-Posters.jpg

(( Unncessarily vulgar. This is not Whine & Cheese and you are not the injured party. Ease up on the outrage. ))
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That's pretty much how I understand it.

Jim Adams Customs said:
I did what was right, and I didn't copy another man's knife. If that cost me my business so be it.

Good Night Gentlemen, I am unsubscribing from this thread because it is dead dog. So you all have fun. I have Knives to make.
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Jim, I don't think anyone is questioning your moral ethics. Good on you for not copying the design. Still, I believe you cost yourself the business. There are actions you could have taken to complete the deal, regardless.

Jim Adams Customs said:
Dickweed, you forgot the $250.00 I am out of and I called two BF members Dickweed.
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You are out much, much more than $250. EDIT: ^I think you should look into editing as a profession instead of knifemaking. I think it's quite clear which you are better at.
 
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Thanks for adding the information that I missed, and thanks for bestowing the title of dickweed on me, Mr. Adams.
 
Jim Adams Customs said:
You forgot the $250.00 in materials and shipping I had to pay for.
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As an artist why can you just not use those materials and build a completely different knife to make your money back? Why are you so strung out from spending money to get materials you need to work your craft? You can easily make something else with the materials instead of being playing this petty reputation destroying facade you have going on.
 
This thread will turn many from doing business with Jim, and some maybe not.

I personally am an optimist. I like to think that everyone has good in them, everyone should have a chance for redemption, and everyone should be forgiven if they seek forgiveness in the proper way.

I agree that Jim screwed the pooch pretty hard here as far as conduct goes. Offering a full refund plus interest was a great start as far admission of guilt and apology goes.

All I ask is that if Jim does decide to start walking the right path, and continues to do so, that he be given the chance to not be thrown to the wolves every time he dares post here.


In fact, I ask that every custom maker that has screwed up at some point be given that chance.

Obviously, some like our buddy Brad Duncan are FAR beyond redemption, but I don't feel that is the case here.


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sinsanity said:
As an artist why can you just not use those materials and build a completely different knife to make your money back? Why are you so strung out from spending money to get materials you need to work your craft? You can easily make something else with the materials instead of being playing this petty reputation destroying facade you have going on.
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I mentioned this earlier in the thread... there is no way of knowing when any of those materials may be usable in a project. It may be next week, or next year... or even years. That is pretty hard to guess TBH.

As I also mentioned earlier, in my business I can easily turn $250 into $1000, for a $300-500 profit after overhead, essentially doubling my money. As a small business owner, I am capitol limited... which means the amount of money I can make is solely limited by the amount of capitol I have in the bank, on hand, at any given time. An unplanned $250 dent in capitol can have a much larger effect on profits down the road.

It may be hard to relate to for someone that does not run a small business/sole proprietorship as their sole or primary income source, but small chunks of money can make a HUGE difference. I don't know all of his personal details, but it is very possible that the money is quite significant.

The fact that $250 could be a big deal does not mean he sucks at running a business... in fact, $250 being a big deal does not mean any business is unsuccessful. Many business are VERY small, and operate on small budgets. Any change to those budgets can cause inconvenience at best, and major damage at worst.
 
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i can tell you one thing, i will never even consider doing biz with jim adams. he should not be in business.
 
It is a fairly blatant copy, and having spent $250 on materials,
would it not have been a better way of doing things, to have
sent the materials and the extra $150 back to Mr Delwin?

Leadfoot
 
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