Shame on you Jim Adams

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Guyon said:
Oh I agree. And I recall that was we saw was not Delwin's actual drawing, but Jim Adams' tracing of said drawing (or so we were told).
But Delwin pretty freely admits that he was trying to get one maker to craft someone else's design because that's just how they do things in China.
I want the guy to get his money back promptly, but he's not all sparkly and clean in this matter, best I can tell.
That's not me being "distracted" by Jim's craziness. Just an assessment of what I've read so far.
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You believe that Jim's dishonesty was caused by or can be somewhat excused by Delwin's desire to copy an existing knife?
 
So what can we learn from all this, class? Never send money in advance for anything.

I missed a real bargain on the SR-1 because they were requesting advance payment...but I still won't change the attitude I've adopted after reading many GB&U threads: Don't send money until the knife is ready to ship.
 
TUF said:
You believe that Jim's dishonesty was caused by or can be somewhat excused by Delwin's desire to copy an existing knife?
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Did I say that? I don't recall mentioning causation or excuses.
I said Delwin wasn't so squeaky clean in the matter.
You can infer all you like.
It doesn't change the fact that Delwin (best we can tell) tried an end-around that most here would frown upon.
 
Guyon said:
Did I say that? I don't recall mentioning causation or excuses.
I said Delwin wasn't so squeaky clean in the matter.
You can infer all you like.
It doesn't change the fact that Delwin (best we can tell) tried an end-around that most here would frown upon.
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Yes and several years back there was outrage when a couple of American boys were going to be caned for spray painting graffiti on a car.
My point being, what we may consider normative behavior varies by culture.
Definately one draw back we as Americans suffer from, maybe not you personally but as a whole Americans think what is "normal" for us is adopted and understood elsewhere.
"Copying" put China on the map. Taking an existing widget and making it a better widget put Japan on the map. We see it as wrong, they see it as everyday life.
 
rubiconss said:
Yes and several years back there was outrage when a couple of American boys were going to be caned for spray painting graffiti on a car.
My point being, what we may consider normative behavior varies by culture.
Definately one draw back we as Americans suffer from, maybe not you personally but as a whole Americans think what is "normal" for us is adopted and understood elsewhere.
"Copying" put China on the map. Taking an existing widget and making it a better widget put Japan on the map. We see it as wrong, they see it as everyday life.
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Cultural relativity aside, Delwin struck a deal in this country. He learned his lesson, I hope.
Cheap Chinese clones helped put Schrade and Camillus in the dirt. Your points evoke no sympathy from me.
 
Guyon said:
Cultural relativity aside, Delwin struck a deal in this country. He learned his lesson, I hope.
Cheap Chinese clones helped put Schrade and Camillus in the dirt. Your points evoke no sympathy from me.
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They weren't intended to and as for Delwin I believe his lesson was well learned.
 
1 hour and 40 mins reading this and I feel I need a shower. I am sorry about Delwins issue, but this thread was not only entertaining,but good for me. I actually had the maker on the list due to the little skinner on his site with the big belly. But now I am actually scared crapless ordering from any knifemaker.
 
Guyon said:
Oh I agree. And I recall that was we saw was not Delwin's actual drawing, but Jim Adams' tracing of said drawing (or so we were told).
But Delwin pretty freely admits that he was trying to get one maker to craft someone else's design because that's just how they do things in China.
I want the guy to get his money back promptly, but he's not all sparkly and clean in this matter, best I can tell.
That's not me being "distracted" by Jim's craziness. Just an assessment of what I've read so far.
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I dont draw anything to him, i just tell him i want a dao and ask him to do a search of it. Then her show me a picture and i say yes, this is what i wanted.
But i am really very sorry for what i have done, and will learned not to do it again.
This is what i post to him.
Hi Jim,
I am living in Singapore. I am a son of a butcher. From young i was tought using of blade, all i have are chinese blades. My father is the last line of being a butcher as all of his sons dont carry his line anymore.
I need a knife while my father is still around so that it can be heirloom to me then to my son to let him know that for generations, we handle knifes. Yet i dont want my son to hold on to a butcher knife.
This blade must be useable when needed and must hold the blade well and dont break easily. A damascus chinese dao shape IKBS flipper around 6inches in OAL would be good. The handle would be made of wood, with titanium boster. Is it possilbe to put my family name on the blade??
Can you roughly quote me the price of making one?? To be frank, i cant affort much with a budget of only US$400. If you do have any suggestion, please feel free to let me know.
Yours sincerly,
Delwin
 
And this
Delwin Goh to Jim
show details 11/2/10

Hi Jim,

This blade must be useable when needed and must hold the blade well and dont break easily. A damascus chinese dao shape IKBS flipper around 6inches in OAL would be good. The handle would be made of wood, with titanium boster. Is it possilbe to put my family name on the blade??

regards,
Delwin
 
I am actually scared crapless ordering from any knifemaker
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Jim Adams is an aberration and doesn’t represent anyone other than himself.

The vast majority of Knife Makers are honest, decent people and it does a disservice to them to question their ethics because of the despicable behavior of Jim Adams.

So please don’t judge a fantastic group of craftsmen by the actions of one maker.


For instance I’ve contacted a few knife makers about touching up knives I bought off the secondary market- just a light once over to clean up any handling marks etc. And without exception they’ve all said- “send it in and I’ll be happy to go over it at no cost if you pay return shipping”.

The direct connection to craftsman like we have in these forums is remarkable in todays world.


Mitch
 
Then this

Delwin

Let me get this straight. You want a Damascus Chinese Dao shape IKBS style flipper? You want the Damascus Blade? You want the IKBS bearing system? You want that style? How fancy do you want the engraving on the blade?





Thank you
Jim



Jim Adams Custom Knives
JimAdamsKnives.com
Jim@JimAdamsKnives.com
1648 Camille Way.
Cordova, TN 38016



My Warranty.
I have a no non-sense Guarantee, you break it under normal use. I Promise I will fix or replace it as
long as I am able to work in the shop. Plus if for any reason you are ever unhappy with it. Send it
back to me in seven days for a "FULL REFUND" Because I don't make a knife I wouldn't love to own.
 
Then he sent this picture to me





Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 23:51:07 +0800
Subject: Re: Requested Email
From: delwingoh@gmail.com
To: ke4ozo@msn.com
- Show quoted text -


Hi Jim,
This blade must be useable when needed and must hold the blade well and dont break easily. A damascus chinese dao shape IKBS flipper around 6inches in OAL would be good. The handle would be made of wood, with titanium boster. Is it possilbe to put my family name on the blade?? regards,Delwin
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Jim Adams <ke4ozo@msn.com> wrote:
DeleonI make a wonderful folder that size. Yes I can do wood and titanium bolster. Have you preference of blade material?
Thank youJim
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Delwin Goh <delwingoh@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Jim, Sorry my bad i did not state it clearly, i mean the blade is only 2 1/2 inches only, and with handler around 3" plus. regards,Delwin

On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Jim Adams <ke4ozo@msn.com> wrote:
I can't make such a large knife with that budget.

Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 2, 2010, at 2:35 AM, Delwin Goh <delwingoh@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Jim,I am living in Singapore. I am a son of a butcher. From young i was tought using of blade, all i have are chinese blades. My father is the last line of being a butcher as all of his sons dont carry his line anymore.
I need a knife while my father is still around so that it can be heirloom to me then to my son to let him know that for generations, we handle knifes. Yet i dont want my son to hold on to a butcher knife.This blade must be useable when needed and must hold the blade well and dont break easily. A damascus chinese dao shape IKBS flipper around 6inches in OAL would be good. The handle would be made of wood, with titanium boster. Is it possilbe to put my family name on the blade??Can you roughly quote me the price of making one?? To be frank, i cant affort much with a budget of only US$400. If you do have any suggestion, please feel free to let me know.Yours sincerly,Delwin
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Jim Adams Custom Knives Jim Adams <ke4ozo@msn.com> wrote:
Here you go.


Thank you
Jim



Jim Adams Custom Knives
JimAdamsKnives.com
Jim@JimAdamsKnives.com
1648 Camille Way.
Cordova, TN 38016



My Warranty.
I have a no non-sense Guarantee, you break it under normal use. I Promise I will fix or replace it as
long as I am able to work in the shop. Plus if for any reason you are ever unhappy with it. Send it
back to me in seven days for a "FULL REFUND" Because I don't make a knife I wouldn't love to own.






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Delwin, Has he sent you a "receipt" showing the Western Union being sent? I would be asking for proof!!! Any body want a "Sham Adams" knife & sheath ("Custom") for cheap, please contact me..LoL
Sorry for the edit... To Much of that Golden Draak... Yummy
 
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Delwin said:
I dont draw anything to him, i just tell him i want a dao and ask him to do a search of it. Then her show me a picture and i say yes, this is what i wanted.
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Wait, so you're telling me he came up with the picture? You only gave him the name/style and he Googled it, somehow found a picture of Burch's knife without knowing(since the traced design is almost spot on with the actual knife), put things in motion to make it, then accused you of lying? :confused:

99% assumptions, but it almost sounds like he knew he was copying (since some of you mentioned he has a track record of it) but somehow wasn't able to go through with it (hit a snag with the parts guy perhaps?) This is just getting weirder.

Again, all the above are assumptions without proof. Maybe my head's just been spun around so many times trying to keep up with this issue that I'm not thinking straight anymore.
 
Guyon said:
Did I say that? I don't recall mentioning causation or excuses.
I said Delwin wasn't so squeaky clean in the matter.
You can infer all you like.
It doesn't change the fact that Delwin (best we can tell) tried an end-around that most here would frown upon.
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Well that would be the inference in the english speaking world.
 
Adams is still selling knives on Britishblades.com via the classifieds if Delwin needs a new point of contact.
Ad was placed yesterday under the name of BlackToe Knives.
 
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