Shame on you Jim Adams

[Matteo Escobar]

Then he sent this picture to me





Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 23:51:07 +0800
Subject: Re: Requested Email
From: delwingoh@gmail.com
To: ke4ozo@msn.com
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Hi Jim,
This blade must be useable when needed and must hold the blade well and dont break easily. A damascus chinese dao shape IKBS flipper around 6inches in OAL would be good. The handle would be made of wood, with titanium boster. Is it possilbe to put my family name on the blade?? regards,Delwin
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Jim Adams <ke4ozo@msn.com> wrote:
DeleonI make a wonderful folder that size. Yes I can do wood and titanium bolster. Have you preference of blade material?
Thank youJim
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Delwin Goh <delwingoh@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Jim, Sorry my bad i did not state it clearly, i mean the blade is only 2 1/2 inches only, and with handler around 3" plus. regards,Delwin

On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Jim Adams <ke4ozo@msn.com> wrote:
I can't make such a large knife with that budget.

Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 2, 2010, at 2:35 AM, Delwin Goh <delwingoh@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Jim,I am living in Singapore. I am a son of a butcher. From young i was tought using of blade, all i have are chinese blades. My father is the last line of being a butcher as all of his sons dont carry his line anymore.
I need a knife while my father is still around so that it can be heirloom to me then to my son to let him know that for generations, we handle knifes. Yet i dont want my son to hold on to a butcher knife.This blade must be useable when needed and must hold the blade well and dont break easily. A damascus chinese dao shape IKBS flipper around 6inches in OAL would be good. The handle would be made of wood, with titanium boster. Is it possilbe to put my family name on the blade??Can you roughly quote me the price of making one?? To be frank, i cant affort much with a budget of only US$400. If you do have any suggestion, please feel free to let me know.Yours sincerly,Delwin
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Jim Adams Custom Knives Jim Adams <ke4ozo@msn.com> wrote:
Here you go.


Thank you
Jim



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So you never sent him that drawing, he did that himself?

Even if you did, I don't see a problem with it. A professional knifemaker would have seen it as a guideline, not as a blueprint.

 

[sheepdog229]

I'm chasing this guy everywhere I can. Any help would be appreciated.

He is easy to find on facebook. Search for Jim Adams knives and his account pops up.

 

[ASBOB]

I was under the impression from Jim Adams' posts that Delwin had sent him a list of specific dimensions, along with a picture. According to this account, when Jim took these details to his parts maker, the guy pointed out that these were the exact duplicates of the Michael Burch knife (it was never clear how he knew this). At this point Jim cried "foul".

But Delwin is posting emails where the instructions seem to be very generic: a general sense of a knife, with only rough dimensions provided (e.g. a 3" or 2 1/2" blade). Also that he never sent a picture.

 

[HandofCod]

He is easy to find on facebook. Search for Jim Adams knives and his account pops up.

He is also on JD forums under BlacktoeKnives. He's posted sales of numerous knives but not too many have been sold. And those that have, now much be questioned too.

 

[SurvivetheCollapse]

I dont draw anything to him, i just tell him i want a dao and ask him to do a search of it. Then her show me a picture and i say yes, this is what i wanted.
But i am really very sorry for what i have done, and will learned not to do it again.
This is what i post to him.

Dude. If this is seriously all that was said, and you didn't send him that picture, not only do you have nothing to be sorry for, but Mr. Adams is a bigger scumbag than I thought. And wow does that say alot.

 

[Core Knife Co.]

You know the old saying, there is always (3) sides to every story. Our problem is that only two people know the truth and one of them is no longer allowed posting privileges. All we have is our assumptions and opinions. Isn't there a saying about that as well? The damage is done. Mr. Adams dug his grave through his own actions. At this point, all that's left is to stir the pot.

Unless, of course, that's fun to you.

 

[y0ukn0wwh0]

Well said MH, It's like the aftermath of a bad accident, you know you shouldn't look but a quick peek won't hurt.. This thread has turned into far more that that "Quick Peek"
May Mr. Adams enjoy the hole he has dug for himself.

 

[braillediver]

Thanks for the people who came in late, are still debating the merits of this disaster and see this as ambiguous.

You know the old saying, there is always (3) sides to every story. Our problem is that only two people know the truth and one of them is no longer allowed posting privileges. All we have is our assumptions and opinions.

I&#8217;m flagging all you guys as- don&#8217;t even bother dealing with these fools.


If you can&#8217;t see the truth through all of jim adams lies, edits and crap I don&#8217;t want to risk dealing with your moral ambiguity.


But please keep posting, wondering and trying to figure it out. Because I have.

 

[Guyon]

If Delwin did not even send a picture, then my perspective about the whole matter changes. Jim Adams posted that Delwin sent a picture, and Delwin did not deny it, even insinuating that he did so with his statement about Chinese copying. These emails, if accurate, do paint an even more sordid picture of Jim Adams.

Thanks for the people who came in late, are still debating the merits of this disaster and see this as ambiguous.

I&#8217;m flagging all you guys as- don&#8217;t even bother dealing with these fools.

If you can&#8217;t see the truth through all of jim adams lies, edits and crap I don&#8217;t want to risk dealing with your moral ambiguity.

But please keep posting, wondering and trying to figure it out. Because I have.

Have I been flagged? Would you like a badge?

 

[Core Knife Co.]

I’m flagging all you guys as- don’t even bother dealing with these fools.


If you can’t see the truth through all of jim adams lies, edits and crap I don’t want to risk dealing with your moral ambiguity.

Just a suggestion, but you may want to reconsider calling other people "fools". We happen to be close enough to sit down and discuss it over a beer of you would like? You're free to look me in my face and make that claim afterwards, should you still feel the need.

In your rush for additional drama, I guess you happened to skim over the most important part, "Mr. Adams dug his grave through his own actions."

At this point in the tread, Jim Adams actions speak for themselves. Any "fool" with an ounce of common sense can see that. The lies, the edits, the spam. He's done here and he did it to himself. What could possibly be said that can make the situation any worse for the man? Done is done. The rest is just drama for the estrogen crowd.

It's kind of sad really. I would love to have the talent Jim Adams has. It's just too bad he lacks any people skills and common sense to go along with his knife making skills.

 

[CUTS LIKE A KRIS]

MHill, I do believe that Mr. Adams' current behavior elsewhere is a valid part of this thread as it keeps others abreast of the situation, alerts others to possible problems on other sites, and allows the OP to keep track on the individual that tried to besmirch his name and stole money from him, as well as playing games concerning the return of said funds.

Again, just my belief

 

[RubiconSS]

As for "keeping this going" has nothing to do with drama or estrogen and has everything to do with the M.O. arriving.
Screw someone over and it won't stay a secret for long.

 

[TUF]

What Mr Adams lacks is integity. No mature normal human being acts like he has.

I would say some of the later posts are leading this thread down a different path. The focus of this thread is about Jim Adams stealing money from a man half way around the world.

I suspect he wouldn't have acted like this to someone he thought was closer or could actually take legal action against him without traveling across the globe. He has taken off and on a pretty cavalier attitude about all of this. ie "What are YOU going to do about it.

I don't think he realized that most people will stick together to one extent or another against behavior like this.

There isn't anyone that likes to be taken advantage of. There isn't anyone on the globe that can make a sane argument that stealing is OK.

He has put himself in a bad situation. He has lied so much and admitted it that you can't believe anything he posts or says. Even when you would like to give him the benefit of the doubt you have to look at his past record. That record is terrible. Can you honestly say you would trust him with your money?

He has a lot of pictures of nice knives posted. He has posted comments under alias about how nice they are. But when people we know are not him post they say they got crap. When they returned them they got more crap, sometimes even worse crap. Then we have poor Delwin which obviously didn't even get the respect of getting crap. He just got scammed.

Jim could make some of it right by returning Delwins money. Maybe some of the kinder people will give Jim another chance. I won't because I believe a man's past is pretty indicative of what is possible in his future dealings.

Not everyone will be happy with every deal they make in life. But nobody should ever experience anything like what took place here.

You can look at the people still posting and say they are piling on, trying to help Delwin, or just expressing their opinion of how terrible and unacceptable all of this really is. If that point gets made strong enough then maybe this situation won't get repeated.

In the end if you post anything. Pro or con you are a part of the "drama". If you honestly believe what is done is done and everything else is for the estrogen crowd. Then what would your post be? It would be another post for the estrogen crowd that attempts to take focus away from Jim Adams and his business practices.

 

[Core Knife Co.]

TUF, you are 100% spot on with everything you said. Including the parts where you slammed me. I got on here and read this entire train wreck from page one until the end. Jim hung himself right here in front of all of us. If you're a member of Bladeforums and you order anything from Mr. Adams, then I guess you have it coming to you.

What was getting annoying was the amount of people who don't have anything to do with the situation of Jim Adams. They just wanted to talk smack for the sake of talking smack. Dude, I figured out Jim was a piece of crap from his own postings. I didn't need 32 pages of other people to tell me that. Isn't it obvious?

But instead of sitting back and enjoying a big ol' cup of STFU, I got myself involved. My mistake.

From here on out, this is me...

 

[Delwin]

There are no way that Jim will return my money, that's for sure.
I just hope that this thread will make sticky, so others can be aware of such maker inccident.

 

[Mike G]

Guys, I'm going to remind you all that we do not allow cross forum posting.

What Jim Adams does on other forums is not our problem here at Bladeforums. What he did here, to a Bladeforum member, using Bladeforums, earned him a ban. We do not expect any other forum to ban him based on his actions here, nor do we ban people here because of what they did on another forum.

Please, keep Bladeforums business seperate from other forums business. If you want to email or PM each other, that is fine.

Also, please keep it civil. Some of you are getting a little intense. Just to be clear, thinly veiled threats will earn you an infraction. Some of what I have read can be interpreted as such.

Thanks.

 

[SurvivetheCollapse]

As for "keeping this going" has nothing to do with drama or estrogen and has everything to do with the M.O. arriving AND sending a message to dirtbags where ever they lurk, the internet world is a small one. Screw someone over and it won't stay a secret for long.
I look at that as a positive in this otherwise unsavory situation.
Kudos to BF and the support of the truth. This issue has been met with smack down elsewhere.

Agreed.

 

[JTR357]

So what can we learn from all this, class? Never send money in advance for anything.

I missed a real bargain on the SR-1 because they were requesting advance payment...but I still won't change the attitude I've adopted after reading many GB&U threads: Don't send money until the knife is ready to ship.

I wouldn't say that goes for every maker,in my opinion anyway.

Yes,I sent a maker the full payment for a knife that was supposed to be completed 10 months ago.He didn't require the full payment,only a deposit,but I had the money on me at the time & figured why not pay for it all at once.
Now this maker's notorious for long waits & little to no communication,but from what I heard/read he ALWAYS comes through.So I'll wait.live & learn I guess.

Another instance,Last November I ordered a knife from Darrel Ralph.It was a $650 knife.He told me it required a $250 deposit & the wait would be approx one year.This knife didn't have any 'special' materials like MOP,or Mammoth Tooth,or gold or jewels.
Maybe he took it,so he could know I was serious.I have no idea.I guess should've just asked him,but I didn't.He's Darrel Ralph for petes sake a living legend!(in my opinion anyway).
He's been doing this for a very long time & knows better than I about this business.
I'm not worried one bit about Darrel.I know he'll come through with the knife & it'll be well worth the wait.
Some makers require deposits,some don't.If I want their knife bad enough,your damn straight I'll throw down a deposit.

 

[elkins45]

I wouldn't say that goes for every maker,in my opinion anyway.

Yes,I sent a maker the full payment for a knife that was supposed to be completed 10 months ago.He didn't require the full payment,only a deposit,but I had the money on me at the time & figured why not pay for it all at once.
Now this maker's notorious for long waits & little to no communication,but from what I heard/read he ALWAYS comes through.So I'll wait.live & learn I guess.

Another instance,Last November I ordered a knife from Darrel Ralph.It was a $650 knife.He told me it required a $250 deposit & the wait would be approx one year.This knife didn't have any 'special' materials like MOP,or Mammoth Tooth,or gold or jewels.
Maybe he took it,so he could know I was serious.I have no idea.I guess should've just asked him,but I didn't.He's Darrel Ralph for petes sake a living legend!(in my opinion anyway).
He's been doing this for a very long time & knows better than I about this business.
I'm not worried one bit about Darrel.I know he'll come through with the knife & it'll be well worth the wait.
Some makers require deposits,some don't.If I want their knife bad enough,your damn straight I'll throw down a deposit.

Yes, and Larry Harley was Larry Harley, and Newt Livesay was Newt Livesay and...

I'm sure Darrel Ralph is a good guy, but I still wouldn't send him a sizeable chunk of money unless I had requested some exotic material that he would have to buy just for my knife. A big name maker can easily sell any knife he makes for me if I should happen to flake out on deal, so he doesn't really need a deposit from me.

I'm not sure that I'm totally opposed to the idea of 'earnest money', but there are plenty of makers who don't ask for it.

Of course, I may totally be talking out of my butt here. I have only directly commissioned one knife in my life. All the other customs I own were already made when I bought them from inventory. But the one knife I commissioned from Chuck Gedraitis didn't require any up front money, and he's a maker of some renown.

Please understand I'm not impugning Mr. Ralph in any way here, just stating my preference for not paying 100% of the total in advance for custom work. AFAIK there's never been a hint that he has been anything other than a straight-up guy.

 

[JTR357]

^Fair enough elkins.Like I said,I don't know why some makers require deposits when there aren't any exotic materials involved.I can't say I entirely disagree with it either.
I don't know how many times someone has ordered a knife from them,then backed out when it was time to pay.It's gotta be frustrating,but like you said it can't be very hard for them to sell that same knife to someone else,unless it had really crazy dimensions(5" handle 2" blade,serrated with a guthook).