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Eric is an honorable person here on BF his stellar feedback and longevity shows as proof..
It is a true shame that folks that low ball and make payment demands, AND most of all get
called out on it..SPEAK the loudest in responses..
The sale of Erics have always been in my dealings..Friends/Family (if you choose)
OR he offers check or money order options..Not a hard thing to figure out Scrim..

And the transaction with you and KnifeHunt ...
HMMMMMMMMM..
LOWBALL one day and then offer too buy it.. Sounds like the money was always available..
BUT as we all know..If you can get a great deal..Make an offer and deal with the reply.
OR lowball them and then the response will be accordingly..

I for one dont deal with friends payments.. BUT in Erics defense...I have and will never
hesitate sending $$ to him that way..BECAUSE his reputation is outstanding
not only in service but in craftsmanship..
This is what I have ""LEARNED""
You dont like the deal.. MOVE forward..Its happened too me many times..
Calling someone out over such frivolous terms gets one or both people involved looking the FOOL.

As suggested by a few solid members Scrim.. Drop it and cut your losses.
You comments and proven anger only "FUEL THIS ISSUE" and make
you look not in a positive light..

Good luck with the working this out..
Again Eric is GTG in my book and always will be.
Adding to my IGNORE list helps protect myself from headaches like this.
Good luck boys...
 
GIZMOMAN said:
Eric is an honorable person here on BF his stellar feedback and longevity shows as proof..
It is a true shame that folks that low ball and make payment demands, AND most of all get
called out on it..SPEAK the loudest in responses..
The sale of Erics have always been in my dealings..Friends/Family (if you choose)
OR he offers check or money order options..Not a hard thing to figure out Scrim..
And the transaction with you and KnifeHunt ...HMMMMMMMMM..
LOWBALL one day and then offer too buy it.. Sounds like the money was always available..
BUT as we all know..If you can get a great deal..Make an offer and deal with the reply.
OR lowball them and then the response will be accordingly..

I for one dont deal with friends payments.. BUT in Erics defense...I have and will never
hesitate sending $$ to him that way..BECAUSE his reputation is outstanding
not only in service but in craftsmanship..
This is what I have ""LEARNED""
You dont like the deal.. MOVE forward..Its happened too me many times..
Calling someone out over such frivolous terms gets one or both people involved looking the FOOL.

Good luck with the working this out..
Again Eric is GTG in my book and always will be.
Adding to my IGNORE list helps protect myself from headaches like this.
Good luck boys...
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It's always has been and always will be a pleasure dealing with you. Thank you so much for the kind words and taking time out of your busy day to say them! You're a good man.
 
Scrim
Like a dog with a bone..
Keep digging your hole
You made your point..over and over..
Let it go and go forward..........
 
Time to end the silliness. Here are the PMs. Timeliness is written out. Screenshots taken on my phone follow. There's all the proof that he's the liar and trying to sully my good reputation by lying.
I was not rude to him. I didn't lie about anything. I was very clear and concise with my messages.

Number 1 is him sending his first message.
2 is my reply
3 is him again getting mad.
Number 4 is me saying I'm sorry I don't take paypal regular with my reason why.
5. He's becoming very aggressive and trying to bully me into something I'm not comfortable doing.
6. I tell him if we can't do paypal I'm fine with money order or check.

 
Proof is in the pudding...
Time to let this go buddy..
 
In before the lock!

I can understand why Scrim would be a bit put out by this aborted transaction. I can also see Shepherd's point as well. There are two competing principles here. It is constantly drummed into our heads to never, ever, pay with PP Gift, and for good reason. It leaves the buyer unprotected and is fundamentally dishonest. It's stealing from PayPal - no ifs ands or buts. On the other hand, Shepherd is free to sell to whomever he wants, on whatever conditions he sets. It would have been nice if the terms were clear in the original sales post, and didn't have to be added later.

Bottom line - Scrim needs to let it go, as he had no "right" to buy the knife. Shepherd needs to quit ripping off PayPal and expecting buyers to facilitate it, with no protection in the event of a problem. YMMV
 
GIZMOMAN said:
Scrim
Like a dog with a bone..
Keep digging your hole
You made your point..over and over..
Let it go and go forward..........
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Gizmo, your repeated opinions are not really necessary and are obviously colored in favor of someone you've done business with before. You comment on his feedback but ignore mine. So I can't take you seriously. You are not objective. Re; your pontifications...If you enjoy the right to post them, then you have to also afford that same right for others to post their opinions. So try being consistent. Fyi, you can post whatever you want next...I really don't think I'll be wasting any more time on this back & forth. But thanks for your sage advice. Next time, just go with the ignore list. It's more efficient.
 
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If a vendor is not using a payment service as it was intended to be used, they have no business offering that payment method to their customers. They are not entitled to use that service inappropriately to service their BUSINESS. Doing so is not only against their policies, but is actually a form of fraud.
 
HappyDaddy said:
In before the lock!

I can understand why Scrim would be a bit put out by this aborted transaction. I can also see Shepherd's point as well. There are two competing principles here. It is constantly drummed into our heads to never, ever, pay with PP Gift, and for good reason. It leaves the buyer unprotected and is fundamentally dishonest. It's stealing from PayPal - no ifs ands or buts. On the other hand, Shepherd is free to sell to whomever he wants, on whatever conditions he sets. It would have been nice if the terms were clear in the original sales post, and didn't have to be added later.

Bottom line - Scrim needs to let it go, as he had no "right" to buy the knife. Shepherd needs to quit ripping off PayPal and expecting buyers to facilitate it, with no protection in the event of a problem. YMMV
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Exactly right! One correction though: I never, anywhere claimed I had a right to buy the knife. I asked if he would honor the deal as it existed on his sales thread at the time I committed to buying. That's all. I wouldn't go gift option (after the fact) so I walked away. Why so many aren't seeing that is still a mystery to me. But I appreciate you looking at this thing objectively, HappyDaddy.
 
Karda said:
If a vendor is not using a payment service as it was intended to be used, they have no business offering that payment method to their customers. They are not entitled to use that service inappropriately to service their BUSINESS. Doing so is not only against their policies, but is actually a form of fraud.
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Exactly! Thank you, Karda!
 
I don't like using PayPal because all the protection is to the buyer and nothing for the seller.
Just like all things it only takes a few bad seeds to ruin it for everyone. I was fine with regular paypal even after the first time I was ripped off for over 200 dollars. But then when I was ripped off a second time and told "Ohh Well, unfortunately there's nothing we can do about it" by paypal directly!!! I said no more. If they change their policies to protect the seller as much as the buy I will support it again. I prefer money orders, check or cash...but since we live in a now now now society and people want it yesterday...they don't want to wait the extra couple of days to send mo, check, cash, I offer paypal gift option. I don't know too many people that have been scammed for hundreds of dollars that say oh yeah that process is great let me keep doing it and lose more money. I'm far for rich and losing hundreds of dollars is a big deal to me. PayPal didn't care I lost money or was scammed.
Now they give scammer 6 months to do it.
 
ShepardCC said:
I don't like using PayPal because all the protection is to the buyer and nothing for the seller.
Just like all things it only takes a few bad seeds to ruin it for everyone. I was fine with regular paypal even after the first time I was ripped off for over 200 dollars. But then when I was ripped off a second time and told "Ohh Well, unfortunately there's nothing we can do about it" by paypal directly!!! I said no more. If they change their policies to protect the seller as much as the buy I will support it again. I prefer money orders, check or cash...but since we live in a now now now society and people want it yesterday...they don't want to wait the extra couple of days to send mo, check, cash, I offer paypal gift option. I don't know too many people that have been scammed for hundreds of dollars that say oh yeah that process is great let me keep doing it and lose more money. I'm far for rich and losing hundreds of dollars is a big deal to me. PayPal didn't care I lost money or was scammed.
Now they give scammer 6 months to do it.
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What paypal did was not illegal.
What your buyer/s did to you (and actually who is at fault and where your anger should lie) was illegal.
What you are doing now, by circumventing their clearly posted policies about payments and fees.......is illegal.
 
Buyer word vs sellers word. They always side with buyer. It's biased and wrong. Their policies are their policies. Has nothing to do with legal or illegal.

And we are way off topic here. This was Scrim calling me a liar and saying I cheated him. Which I clearly didn't do. I posted my things up for sale. Put the prices up. He sent me pm wanting to pay using PayPal regular which was never in my ad. I told him paypal gift or check or money order. I went back and corrected my ad by adding the payment methods of money order check cash or paypal gift option only. More than one way to pay. If you don't want to pay in one of those way then don't buy. So the issue was saying I scammed him. I didn't scam him. It has nothing to do with how we use a payment option provider. Let's keep this on topic
 
Scrim said:
Exactly right! One correction though: I never, anywhere claimed I had a right to buy the knife. I asked if he would honor the deal as it existed on his sales thread at the time I committed to buying. That's all. I wouldn't go gift option (after the fact) so I walked away. Why so many aren't seeing that is still a mystery to me. But I appreciate you looking at this thing objectively, HappyDaddy.
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My point, where you are concerned, is that you are having difficulty accepting the fact that, for whatever reason, the seller decided not to sell to you. That's his right. As I said, I'd probably be a bit put out too, but I'd also just move the hell on. You'd have been better off if you'd stopped about 20 posts ago.
 
PM sent to, Moderator Rick Marchland (in reference to the PP Goods/Gift issue which most of this is all about):
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1163713-Another-Paypal-Discussion

Rick,
PayPal Goods vs. Gift

I have a firm stand on this issue. With that said, it really bother's me with the double standard that sometimes persists over this subject (please read some of the facts in this rather convoluted GBU thread):

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/sh...9#post15605659

The difference between, Scrim, & myself: I personally would've politely declined & moved on. Regardless, I feel that he has a solid argument over what transpired in his 2 potential transactions, with Sheppard & Knifehunt.

Anyway- we think alike, regarding this PP issue...just interested on your take on what took place in this GBU thread.

IMO- I honestly feel that popularity, has given 2 of these guys a free pass (as far as them being highly unethical).


RevDevil's Quote over this issue speaks volumes:

The only thing that needs to happen is having some time set aside to research whom you are trading items with, or simply cough up the money to outright buy the item you want or are interested in. If people didn't use the Paypal Gift option to buy knives for example, this entire section would be half as deep as it is now. Unfortunately, people fall for BS stories and let themselves get taken by that "warm and squishy" feeling, and they simply throw all caution to the wind. Also, asking for "Net to me" is just BS, do your own math for crying out loud, is it that hard? I have less sympathy for people that cannot add their fees into their asking price and force those fees on others.

The B.S. double standard that exists here on this very subject..... I could give damn whose done business with whom, & who vouches for who...just because they scored a great deal. What I do care about is: HONESTY, & ETHICS! If you don't trust PayPal enough to use in the manner it's intended: DON'T USE THEM! There are other alternatives!
 
ShepardCC said:
Buyer word vs sellers word. They always side with buyer. It's biased and wrong. Their policies are their policies. Has nothing to do with legal or illegal.
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I've seen and been a party to instances where they covered the seller, so that information is incorrect.
If you don't intend to follow their policies, you have no right to use their service as you please.
As for it having nothing to do with legal or illegal? You do realize, because of your own actions, that paypal could feasibly terminate your usage of their website and also take you to court for defrauding them of their fees over purchases of goods and services.
 
Again you are taking this subject out of context and making it about paypal and not about what it's really about. No disrespect but let's keep this on subject. I'm not going to get into another debate about another subject. I have lots of lawyer friends and I'm understand what is and isnt. Friends is a pretty broad terms and if I believe everyone in the world is my friend then I can use that option with a clear conscience. So then we can debate my version vs your version of a friend. Then we can debate terms of reality and how your perception and my perception create different yet parallel realities in which Noone is right or wrong. Then we can get philosophical and debate more and more. We can then bring in experts and theories by brilliant men. Like multiple ways will lead you to the same conclusion yet we took completely different paths to get there. Or maybe we can diverge into how we take the same paths and opinions yet end up with different results and yet we are both right and wrong. So please again let's keep this train on the track and stay off the debate of how to use PayPal
 
ShepardCC said:
Again you are taking this subject out of context and making it about paypal and not about what it's really about. No disrespect but let's keep this on subject. I'm not going to get into another debate about another subject. I have lots of lawyer friends and I'm understand what is and isnt. Friends is a pretty broad terms and if I believe everyone in the world is my friend then I can use that option with a clear conscience. So then we can debate my version vs your version of a friend. Then we can debate terms of reality and how your perception and my perception create different yet parallel realities in which Noone is right or wrong. Then we can get philosophical and debate more and more. We can then bring in experts and theories by brilliant men. Like multiple ways will lead you to the same conclusion yet we took completely different paths to get there. Or maybe we can diverge into how we take the same paths and opinions yet end up with different results and yet we are both right and wrong. So please again let's keep this train on the track and stay off the debate of how to use PayPal
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If you were using paypal as it was supposed to be used and at least making sure your payment options were clearly listed in your sales ad's instead of being dropped on the buyer privately after the fact, we wouldn't be discussing this at all......

The buyer here did nothing wrong. He refused to compromise his ethics to complete a sale.
 
Karda said:
If you were using paypal as it was supposed to be used and at least making sure your payment options were clearly listed in your sales ad's instead of being dropped on the buyer privately after the fact, we wouldn't be discussing this at all......

The buyer here did nothing wrong. He refused to compromise his ethics to complete a sale.
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Thank-You-Karda!
 
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