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Dave,
Check out the link, click on the thunbnail, and you'll find this:
"Each knife is made from a solid piece of 420 J2 stainless steel, which is then wrapped with high tensile nylon cord. Each knife comes with a black nylon belt sheath."
Go back up this thread and read the difference in blade steels. Compare the sheaths. Note that the Hibben is a throwing knife, probably not even seriously sharpened or sharpenable on the cutting edge. Probably, hopefully, tempered for toughness to withstand tip impact, not retain a sharp cutting edge.
It IS a good knife -- for its purpose. But it doesn't compare with the Arclite for ITS purpose.
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Great looking knife Darell! The handle looks similar to something I would put on a knife that size to be quite comfortable. (Love the salt and pepper thing Darell!) Great design, great value for $20! Good job Camillus!
Wow, I can see it now, one of these little babies with a good cord wrap like shown at RunningDog's site! http://runningdogknife.homestead.com/cordwrap.html Can't have too many sharp pointy things! Hell, wear 'em all, like that big dude on that old action flick, "Swashbuckler"!
Hank
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Cliff-why dont you ask one of the many custom Arc-lite owners if the handle is ergonomic?
This is perhaps the MOST ergonomic neck knife on the market, but I actually know what I am talking about since I ACTUALLY own one...
Camillus 1, Cliff 0.
This is perhaps the MOST ergonomic neck knife on the market, but I actually know what I am talking about since I ACTUALLY own one...
Camillus 1, Cliff 0.
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SgtMike,
Beat you to it....skinned and boned out a nice 8 pt buck last week with the proto ArcLite....but I can't blame you for trying! The knife performed well BTW! Blade shape lends itself well to those tasks.
HankS,
I like the steak knife idea! I hope the trend catches on!
DaveH,
Your right, the ArcLite is WAY to light to be a good thrower
Paul,
The ArcLite has a 3.25" blade....you want one shorter? Is this because of a legal reason? I can't see us having a second model less than a half an inch shorter. But we do appreciate the interest!
Thanks Rob!
Anthony,
If you would get off the couch and come deer hunting, maybe you could test your ArcLite on some meat that didn't come out of a grocery store
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Will Fennell
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Beat you to it....skinned and boned out a nice 8 pt buck last week with the proto ArcLite....but I can't blame you for trying! The knife performed well BTW! Blade shape lends itself well to those tasks.
HankS,
I like the steak knife idea! I hope the trend catches on!
DaveH,
Your right, the ArcLite is WAY to light to be a good thrower
Paul,
The ArcLite has a 3.25" blade....you want one shorter? Is this because of a legal reason? I can't see us having a second model less than a half an inch shorter. But we do appreciate the interest!
Thanks Rob!
Anthony,
If you would get off the couch and come deer hunting, maybe you could test your ArcLite on some meat that didn't come out of a grocery store
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Will Fennell
Camillus Cutlery
www.camillusknives.com
Rob Simonich
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Yea Anthony! Get off yer butt and go hunting!
Feild dressed with a D-2 Pikuni!
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"The most effective armor is to keep out of range"-Italian proverb
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"The most effective armor is to keep out of range"-Italian proverb
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Mike, Phil's 154CM is significantly more expensive than his 420HC just as his S90V is more expensive still and 10V most costly still. However, 420HC is hardly the cheapest material to work with. There was a choice made as what performance/cost ratio was sensible, if you think that is reasonable, fine.
That ratio of course is another issue altogether and not the main question raised but something I did in fact comment on at the end of the post. It is of course impossible for anyone but the individual to make the decision as to this aspect as only they can judge how much money they can afford to pay for the performance gains that can come from it, the most help that you or anyone else can give them in this regard is the performance itself. Unless of course you are selling something.
As for what would I suggest for $20, in that price range I would look at the fixed blades that James Mattis used to comment on and in fact give away with orders; Frosts of Sweden and Kellam had very functional models in the $10 - $20 range. A directly poorer sheath though. But do you want a better tool or carrying case?
In regards to ergonomics, I have used many plain steel grips similar to the above blade. They simply do not have the necessary thickness to make hard use comfortable as the contact pressure is amplifed by a factor of 4-6 over normal sized grips. Yor will have to work with a similar reduction to the force that you find comfortable on blades with actual grips in order to obtain similar pressures, and this means that the cutting ability suffers significantly - or your comfort, which will eventually take its toll on cutting ability anyway.
Add to this the fact that bare steel grips unless checkered like Reeve have almost no security and this blade has no guard and futher still the cutouts which are at least not on the blade itself. They however would make cordwrapping easy enough which would give you are much more functional handle but not as "artistic" of course.
John, stop by for dinner sometime, even hemp rope starts to taste good once you add enough Guinness.
-Cliff
That ratio of course is another issue altogether and not the main question raised but something I did in fact comment on at the end of the post. It is of course impossible for anyone but the individual to make the decision as to this aspect as only they can judge how much money they can afford to pay for the performance gains that can come from it, the most help that you or anyone else can give them in this regard is the performance itself. Unless of course you are selling something.
As for what would I suggest for $20, in that price range I would look at the fixed blades that James Mattis used to comment on and in fact give away with orders; Frosts of Sweden and Kellam had very functional models in the $10 - $20 range. A directly poorer sheath though. But do you want a better tool or carrying case?
In regards to ergonomics, I have used many plain steel grips similar to the above blade. They simply do not have the necessary thickness to make hard use comfortable as the contact pressure is amplifed by a factor of 4-6 over normal sized grips. Yor will have to work with a similar reduction to the force that you find comfortable on blades with actual grips in order to obtain similar pressures, and this means that the cutting ability suffers significantly - or your comfort, which will eventually take its toll on cutting ability anyway.
Add to this the fact that bare steel grips unless checkered like Reeve have almost no security and this blade has no guard and futher still the cutouts which are at least not on the blade itself. They however would make cordwrapping easy enough which would give you are much more functional handle but not as "artistic" of course.
John, stop by for dinner sometime, even hemp rope starts to taste good once you add enough Guinness.
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Cliff said, to my chagrin-"Mike, Phil's 154CM is significantly more expensive than his 420HC just as his S90V is more expensive still and 10V most costly still. However, 420HC is hardly the cheapest material to work with. There was a choice made as what performance/cost ratio was sensible, if you think that is reasonable, fine.
That ratio of course is another issue altogether and not the main question raised but something I did in fact comment on at the end of the post. It is of course impossible for anyone but the individual to make the decision as to this aspect as only they can judge how much money they can afford to pay for the performance gains that can come from it, the most help that you or anyone else can give them in this regard is the performance itself. Unless of course you are selling something.
As for what would I suggest for $20, in that price range I would look at the fixed blades that James Mattis used to comment on and in fact give away with orders; Frosts of Sweden and Kellam had very functional models in the $10 - $20 range. A directly poorer sheath though. But do you want a better tool or carrying case?
In regards to ergonomics, I have used many plain steel grips similar to the above blade. They simply do not have the necessary thickness to make hard use comfortable as the contact pressure is amplifed by a factor of 4-6 over normal sized grips. Yor will have to work with a similar reduction to the force that you find comfortable on blades with actual grips in order to obtain similar pressures, and this means that the cutting ability suffers significantly - or your comfort, which will eventually take its toll on cutting ability anyway.
Add to this the fact that bare steel grips unless checkered like Reeve have almost no security and this blade has no guard and futher still the cutouts which are at least not on the blade itself. They however would make cordwrapping easy enough which would give you are much more functional handle but not as "artistic" of course.
John, stop by for dinner sometime, even hemp rope starts to taste good once you add enough Guinness.
-Cliff "
----Cliff, have you ever tried to carry a Frosts Puukko around your neck? The handle is too thick for a comfortable neck knife and the knives are usually too heavy, additionally the 12C27 used in a Mora, Frosts, Kellam puukko is no better, or worse than 420 HC. They are actually very close. elementally.
I have several 12C27 puukkos to use as a reference and they blunt quite easily compared to any tool steel or most carbon steels, or a decent stainless.
Additionally, the shape of the Arclite gives you a much better guard than most puukkos (which usually do not have a guard), but since the ArcLite isnt in competition with the puukkos of the world,and fits a totally different niche who really cares?
Besides, if you want a puukko neck knife, you could always send your $15 dollar puukko out and have a $20 dollar kydex sheath made for it. I would rather have 2 ArcLites.
The way I look at the ArcLite is you buy a $20 dollar, hand-fitted kydex neck sheath, and a really great, light-weight utility knife comes with it.
Its a bargain any way you cut it.
Oh, and it is good manners here in the USA not to insult the cooks recipe until -after-you have tasted his food.
As for better steels, who is to say we wont see the ArcLite in other materials?
I for one am certain that eventually we will see tool steel, carbon steel, and even may see some cobalt alloy ArcLites.
I think Camillus looked into checkering the ArcLite, but they decided that $149 was too much for a neck knife.....(sarcasm)
Want more security, wrap the handle.
FWIW, there are thumb grooves on the top of the blade for your thumb.
But since you havent seen one, you wouldnt know that.........
tsk. tsk. Cliff, maybe its time to go chop some wood, you seem a bit...edgy.
And exactly what type of "hard use" neck knife testing are you referring too...sounds kinky....
Anthony Lombardo
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"The most effective armor is to keep out of range"-Italian proverb
That ratio of course is another issue altogether and not the main question raised but something I did in fact comment on at the end of the post. It is of course impossible for anyone but the individual to make the decision as to this aspect as only they can judge how much money they can afford to pay for the performance gains that can come from it, the most help that you or anyone else can give them in this regard is the performance itself. Unless of course you are selling something.
As for what would I suggest for $20, in that price range I would look at the fixed blades that James Mattis used to comment on and in fact give away with orders; Frosts of Sweden and Kellam had very functional models in the $10 - $20 range. A directly poorer sheath though. But do you want a better tool or carrying case?
In regards to ergonomics, I have used many plain steel grips similar to the above blade. They simply do not have the necessary thickness to make hard use comfortable as the contact pressure is amplifed by a factor of 4-6 over normal sized grips. Yor will have to work with a similar reduction to the force that you find comfortable on blades with actual grips in order to obtain similar pressures, and this means that the cutting ability suffers significantly - or your comfort, which will eventually take its toll on cutting ability anyway.
Add to this the fact that bare steel grips unless checkered like Reeve have almost no security and this blade has no guard and futher still the cutouts which are at least not on the blade itself. They however would make cordwrapping easy enough which would give you are much more functional handle but not as "artistic" of course.
John, stop by for dinner sometime, even hemp rope starts to taste good once you add enough Guinness.
-Cliff "
----Cliff, have you ever tried to carry a Frosts Puukko around your neck? The handle is too thick for a comfortable neck knife and the knives are usually too heavy, additionally the 12C27 used in a Mora, Frosts, Kellam puukko is no better, or worse than 420 HC. They are actually very close. elementally.
I have several 12C27 puukkos to use as a reference and they blunt quite easily compared to any tool steel or most carbon steels, or a decent stainless.
Additionally, the shape of the Arclite gives you a much better guard than most puukkos (which usually do not have a guard), but since the ArcLite isnt in competition with the puukkos of the world,and fits a totally different niche who really cares?
Besides, if you want a puukko neck knife, you could always send your $15 dollar puukko out and have a $20 dollar kydex sheath made for it. I would rather have 2 ArcLites.
The way I look at the ArcLite is you buy a $20 dollar, hand-fitted kydex neck sheath, and a really great, light-weight utility knife comes with it.
Its a bargain any way you cut it.
Oh, and it is good manners here in the USA not to insult the cooks recipe until -after-you have tasted his food.
As for better steels, who is to say we wont see the ArcLite in other materials?
I for one am certain that eventually we will see tool steel, carbon steel, and even may see some cobalt alloy ArcLites.
I think Camillus looked into checkering the ArcLite, but they decided that $149 was too much for a neck knife.....(sarcasm)
Want more security, wrap the handle.
FWIW, there are thumb grooves on the top of the blade for your thumb.
But since you havent seen one, you wouldnt know that.........
tsk. tsk. Cliff, maybe its time to go chop some wood, you seem a bit...edgy.
And exactly what type of "hard use" neck knife testing are you referring too...sounds kinky....
Anthony Lombardo
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Super knife and deal! At that price, one from my neck, one under each arm, one in each sock, one on the nightstand, ...
Thanks Will and Darryl for the great Christmas gift!
Whatever you do, don't blacken the blade!
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Champions make improvements as fast as losers make excuses.
Thanks Will and Darryl for the great Christmas gift!
Whatever you do, don't blacken the blade!
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Champions make improvements as fast as losers make excuses.
I can't see why some seem to think that Cliff is treating this knife unnecessarily harshly. He did mention the merits but raised some points about the knife. No one can say that price isn't fine with kydex sheat etc.. But one can see if knife is most PROBABLY not suited to his use. This was what Cliff was saying - In think.
Cliff (don't need one to back his back as he is capable enough to do it himself) is one of those people that can admit that they were wrong. I remember particulary well former CRK fixed blade ergonomics discussion.
I my self feel that normal folders - even the most comfortable ones - are just barely acceptable as they are too thin to my taste. I'm now used to folders but it took two years of carrying a compromise = folder before I felt comfortable with those... and still every time I use fixed I wonder how I could pack that kind of knife with me to work.
If this Arc Lite it is light - as adverised - it is too thin to be comfortable.
I could still buy one as some chores are so short that don't need comfortable knife -just one that is around. In those chores edge holding is not an issue.
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Cliff (don't need one to back his back as he is capable enough to do it himself) is one of those people that can admit that they were wrong. I remember particulary well former CRK fixed blade ergonomics discussion.
I my self feel that normal folders - even the most comfortable ones - are just barely acceptable as they are too thin to my taste. I'm now used to folders but it took two years of carrying a compromise = folder before I felt comfortable with those... and still every time I use fixed I wonder how I could pack that kind of knife with me to work.
If this Arc Lite it is light - as adverised - it is too thin to be comfortable.
I could still buy one as some chores are so short that don't need comfortable knife -just one that is around. In those chores edge holding is not an issue.
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"Good tools to sustain life, or at least make life more convenient"
-James Mattis