Sneak peak at the new Arc Lite :)

There's a reason why the CRKT Stiff K.I.S.S. series isn't cord wrapped at the factory - it's an extra step that adds cost without adding a lot of value to it. In fact, by many, a cord wrapped handle is not viewed as a benefit, but as detractant.

Visually, I personally find cord wrapped handles on neck knives to be unappealing, and unwanted, as well as maintenance intensive for a variety of reasons as listed above.

If anyone is going to complain about "could-haves" on a $20 knife, you are, IMHO, wasting your time. It's a competitor to the K.I.S.S., pure and simple, and if you are going to complain, complain about the popularity of this sort of knife.

Me, I'll be setting aside a Jackson. I like a kydex sheath with a Tek Lock on it.

Spark

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Cliff, most people I know have no earthly idea how to properly sharpen a knife.
Besides, EVERY knife buyer wants a sharp knife out of the box, not every neck knife buyer want one that is cord wrapped.

Face the facts Cliff. This is a personal attack on your part.

You have a history of attacking knifemakers that you disagree with, and these attacks are turning irrational.

It is a bad trait for a knife reviewer to be
biased based on personality conflicts and/or
disagreements with makers/designers. It won't win you any friends, and just exposes your immaturity and inexperience dealing with this subject matter.

You have some good things to say regarding knife performance and design, unfortunately the way you say them erodes the veracity of your argument and reduces your credibility.

As Chris Reeve says, "Think twice, cut once"
I think its time on these forums for you to "Think twice, post once".

But that is my humble opinion only.

Bottom line-great neck knife
great designer
great sheath
great price

If you dont like it, dont buy but don't pass judgement until you try it. Not only is that
inappropriate, but it is bad form.



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Hey Stab: all any of us around here have are opinions, OK? At least Cliff expresses his politely and in a spirit of civil debate.

Obscene personal attacks, particularly unprovoked, have no place in discussions between grown-up human beings.

If you have any reasons, based on anything other than your own opinion, to disagree with Cliff's assessment of the Arc Lite, lets hear them.
 
If they were to do the cord wrap at the manufacturing end, they would have to hire and train workers to do it. Plus, you would have to have a second stock number for the unwrapped version, doubling the logistical overhead. It is an easy matter for the owner to do it as long as the knife still fits in the sheath as Will has assured us it will. It is a small matter altogether.

Too small to even be worthy of debate really.

Like Anthony said, it is a great little design. It isn't a Kukri, it is a little knife for little jobs, and it works really well for those. And it is a price point item. I would be more inclined to buy a $40 version made out of 154CM for myself, but I've got a S90V one, so I am glad I can buy $20 versions for my buddies for Christmas.
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I think Cliff is writting a review on the ARC LITE from his imagination.

Stabie ::::::: (G)

Most companies do extensive testing on there own to make sure the products work. With Camillus I am here to tell you that they have put this knife through MANY hoops to make it function FIRST. Every knife that they put on the market is tested to great extremes before it is released to the market.

Steve Harvey hit the nail on the head. ITS A SMALL KNIFE FOR SMALL CHORES.
It wont chop steel and concrete.

NOW
If a special run of knives were to be made from a high end steel what would you forumites like to see. Who's in for a special run? Maybe Mike could handle this? BF Acr Lite? Speak up!




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[This message has been edited by Darrel Ralph (edited 11-14-2000).]
 
As I have a plane handled one, I feel I can comment on this. The holes in the handle help your grip and are not just for looks. Them looking good is nice also.
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I have used and carried mine alot and like it more and more. The handle works and works good. Give it a try or at least hold one . Ever hear of don't judge a book by its cover?
 
Let's leave the personal attacks out of this, folks.

Spark

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Steve,

The truth is Cliff has never handled one of these knives and he already has made an negative opinion BASED on his imagination.... NOT THE KNIFE.


Rob
TALONITE ARC LITE sounds great to me. One of those salt and pepper packets from Wendys with each knife.
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Talonite would be the bomb!

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Boy, I managed to miss this one until just now. Don, you are out of line with your post and you know it. I understand your frustration with Cliff, but that does not make your post appropriate.

Cliff, you drive everyone crazy with your Spock-like non-emotional inability to Feel anything and your insistance that your reasoning is purely logical. Most of us here are Passionate about knives. I believe that could be considered an Emotional response. And emotional responses are valid in the human world.

I value your opinion, but sometimes you seem to attack things based on Your subjective view of the world. I can assure you that no matter how hard you try to avoid personal bias in your reviews, you have your own unique slant on knives (and everything else, just like the rest of us). I don't understand why you continue to defend your statements and argue with people who obviously have different opinions. Your tone seems to imply that you may think you are the Source of All Knife Knowlege, and that is just plain silly, IMO.

Your comment about not having any emotional response to a tool because it is not a person is ridiculous. Are you saying that you can only like people (Do you like people)? I like lots of things that are not people. Examples would be some knives, some Art, some music, and some cars, etc. I have many emotional responses to things which are Not sentient beings. And unlike Will Rogers, I have met plenty of people I do not like. But I don't run around shouting their names to anyone I think might listen to me.

I wish you could understand why Your words and ideas sometimes do cause an emotional response in some people. Since you do not react to things with an emotional response, why do you keep quoting and responding to those who obviously disagree with you? You said you think there are problems with the knife's steel and it's ergonomics. Let it go at that. You can not win this arguement. You can irritate the heck out of people.

I am not accusing you of name calling. You never seem to cross that line, but your words often manage to tick folks off big time, which can produce inappropriate comments from some. I am beginning to wonder if you enjoy that in some strange non-emotional way.

Any more name calling in this thread and I will lock this thread. Please, no one should call Cliff anything but Cliff. That should be sufficient.

If someone chooses to start another ArcLite thread, that would be great. But please Cliff, stay out of it. Especially because you don't seem to care about or for this knife.

Paracelsus, attempting to moderate

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That is a very nice neck knife. I can't wait to see the finished product from Camillus. I will certainly buy 1 or 2 at the $20 price mark.
ard
 
Looks nice!

420 steel though eeewwwwww
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Like Steve, I wouldn't mind seeing some arc lights made in 154-cm or maybe even vg-10 or CPM 440-v(or whatever it's called now). I'd also like to see it come predrilled with a couple of holes (versus just slots) to mount handle slabs if one desires.I really do think there would be a market for such a blade as long as it stayed under or around the $50 mark.
 
New CF handle
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New steel custom version.

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[This message has been edited by Darrel Ralph (edited 11-14-2000).]
 
Steve,

Why do I need a reason other than my opinion. Cliff obviously does not deem it necessary to be objective. Subjective seems to work for him. As to being obsene, give me a break. If you consider the two terms I used as obsene, I guess the word has a far different meaning in your location than it does in mine.

Para,

You are absolutely correct. My post was not meant to attack Cliff personally and I realize it came off that way. What I meant was I consider his opinion to have no merit because it is not based on facts it is based on opinion(his) and we already know about opinions.

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The Arc Lite seems like a natural for Talonite, but maybe that would be too difficult a material to work with in milling the slots?

What's the availability of VG-10 for Camillus, is that the best production stainless available these days in terms of a compromise between stain resistance, edge holding, and cost?
 
cliff,

again you seem to tear every knife down even if you have never even held one! you always blow things out of proportion such as heavy use for a simple neck knife. not everyone but you needs to be able to carve concrete with every knife they own cliffy.

just 2 questions for you, though i know you wont answer it... if you know and are perfect at ergonomics, blade design and function, best steel for every intended use and in general everything about knives, why arent all the knife companies the world over beating a path to your door for designs and production advice, and why have i not seen hundreds of "designed, engineered and tested by cliff stamp!" the foremost knife wiz in the world?

i think you just have to complain about everything anyone else says just to complain. it is what you do best
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This knife is a handy little knife for routine service. It's design is appropriate for its purpose. Although there are better materials available, the materials selected for this knife are capable of handling its mission and offer the user a great deal on a custom design.

Although I've never been a big fan of Camillus (even though they're less than 10 miles down the road from me), that is rapidly changing. Camillus has been making major inroads of progress by undertaking projects like the Arclite, the Becker Line, and the Cuda series. Further, Camillus has done a great job in making these awesome products available AND affordable to us po folk. (Now if they'd only reopen the Factory office for local sales again...geez.)

We'll all have opinions about the products introduced and reviewed here. Those opinions should be based on fact, but as humans, we all have personal likes and dislikes which will influence our opinions. So be it. Freely state your opinions, that's what we're here to see and debate. What we're not here to see is personal attacks, obscenity, and conjecture. In the immortal words of Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?"

PS... Will... Hunting season starts Monday, The offer to field test on of those lil babies is still open
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Darrel: Nice pictures
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Guys: Why don´t you just ignore Cliff??? People here already know him & his reviews and you are not going to change his view anyway. You are only wasting your time...

David

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