Sneak peak at the new Arc Lite :)

It seems like many posts boil down to this.
The posts should be about knives and there function. What could we do without here?
I have a good idea.
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It was said that everyone has one, so here is my opinion. I have handled the knife on page one and I liked it. Am I an expert,NO! I'm just a typical knife user. I really don't care what the steel is. I just want a knife that won't rust with reasonable care. One that can hold an edge during a given task and can be resharpened without too much trouble. Sounds simple doesn't it. But here comes the simple part, If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you aren't sure, spend twenty bucks and find out. Lets face it, for that price what else can you get. As for me, I hope they're out before Christmas. Then all of my male in-laws will get something better than a shirt as gifts. After all, they don't know one steel from another either.
Now Darrel, I've got an extra twenty sitting here. Could you make one up for me with Mammoth ivory handles, D-2, and a little file work would be nice?


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Steve Harvey:

If they were to do the cord wrap at the manufacturing end, they would have to hire and train workers to do it.
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The training lasts about a minute, cord wraps are the same knot repeated. You do have to have people do it of course, but it would not be the bottle neck in production, and thus you can compensate for it easily.

Plus, you would have to have a second stock number for the unwrapped version, doubling the logistical overhead.
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Yes, and this makes the matter more complicated, however my intention was not to do this, Mike said to offer a solution which I did. If you want to create varients, then that is another matter.

Paracelsus :

Are you saying that you can only like people
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To clarify, a knife is a tool, an example of something I don't form emotional attachments towards on a regular basis, a person is an example of something that I do. There are other things which fit into each case.

[a new arclite thread]

Cliff, stay out of it
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So it is offical policy now that you can only discuss knives in a positive manner?

Tim Herman :

just 2 questions for you
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Those are questions for the makers Tim, not me.

-Cliff

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Cliff asked me "So it is offical policy now that you can only discuss knives in a positive manner?"

Of course not Cliff. I am only asking you to recognize the effect that you have on people sometimes and to moderate your own posting style. Does making multiple posts about your negative impression of a knife, and playing the Quote and Respond game with folks who disagree with you help anyone?

The only official policy that I am interested in enforcing in the general forum is Be Nice.

It sounds simple, but it's actually pretty tricky sometimes. Especially when I have to decide how to encourage people to actually be nice.

Everyone, David 1967 makes a lot of sense to me. If you disagree with Cliff, please do not let him know. Just ignore his comments if they make you mad. Just say No to anger. Fighting windmills was the favorite activity of a great hero of literature, but Don Quixote was a tragic figure who could not win.

Paracelsus, setting a bad example

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Para This thread is a bad example, but I have learned the most from threads that people have disagreed on. I would hate to see how dull and uninformitive this forum would become if people just ignored posts they didn't like or agree with. Not all of us know everything btw.
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Yes, the most heated threads are also the most informitive.
Back to the subject. For $20 this is a very nice offer. If you really want a handle with scalls or a better steel give Mr. DDR a call.
 
Cliff, you mean you have never picked up a fine knife, handgun, rifle or any finely made tool and went WOW, this is NICE! Never had those fingers tingle from handling a Sliver from Herman, one of Carsons folders, or a fighter from Bill Harsley? Never threw that 1850 Ohio Rifle up to your shoulder and it hangs just right, and the front sight stays on the target, and you just think WOW! Cliff, you need to put some WOW in your life man and ENJOY things rather than tear them down, without even handling them! You should try to put some emotional energy into inanimate objects, they may animate a little for you! I try to put a little of my spirit in every knife I make, and maybe the folks with WOW will feel it. (No, I have not been drinking!)
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I have some opinions to offer:

I have actually handled a couple of these ArcLite knives, myself in DDR's shop some weeks ago. I found it to be an excellent small knife for small jobs. Naturally, and by design, its form follows its function.

I found the "skeleton" handle to afford a firm grip for me, and my hands are somewhat larger than average. In a way that I can't explain without closer study, the slots in the handle were cut in such a way that they provided more traction for my hand rather than less. This was a pleasant suprise for me, as I, myself, had certain preconceptions about it before I picked it up.

It seems to me that the ArcLite is a better designed and produced knife that its primary competitor. The Arclite has a wider blade(from edge to spine) and handle which may, I think, provide more utility than do thinner competing neck knives. I am also of the opinion that a recurved blade edge is also a significant utility improvement.

The steel chosen for the launch, 420HC, is not as well understood as some of you think. It is my understanding, that DDR and Camillus have been able to heat-treat this steel to readings above 55 HRC. If that is the case, then 420HC presents more value in this application than one might have initially thought.

Considering the above,I have formed the opinion that this knife, as a whole, presents considerable value at its price-point, and represents a significant challenge to its primary competitor.

It is my opinion (only) that this Cliff Stamp is nothing more than a shill, and I take his recommendations with a grain of salt (pun intentional). It is my opinion that someone has an ingenious, if unethical, means of building a knife collection: Receive free knives in exchange for "independent" evaluations!

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Samwereb, everything about your post was fine EXCEPT the last paragraph. That amounts to a personal attack. I said I would close this thread if folks continued making personal attacks, and I would prefer not to do that. Please edit your last paragraph to eliminate direct attacks on Cliff, his impuned motives, or ethics. Please.

Paracelsus, trying to be fair
 
I said please Sam. I am not trying to coerce you or anyone else. If you address the topic, and not the side issue, then I will not feel compelled to take any action. I assure you that I am not happy about having to make my last post, or this one. But I have an obligation to be fair to all, even when my personal feelings are different.

All personal attacks are Opinions. Your edit changes to state that this is your opinion (only) does not make your comments OK. They are still personal attacks. I will not ask you to edit anymore. But everyone should understand that I am serious about trying to prevent personal attacks in this forum, even when I fully understand and am sympathetic to their reason and intent.

This thread is about the new ArcLite. Not Cliff.

Moderation is a pain in the....

Paracelsus

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Para,

I posted something like 200 words on the topic. One short paragraph was about Cliff. His whole freakin' posts are about Cliff and furthering Cliff's interests.

I suppose that the key to moderation, might, in fact, be "moderation." Don't be so quick with the "lock button."

I don't think you have any mandate to be fair, just impartial. It is utterly impossible to be "fair to all." Nonetheless, it is a reasonable expectation that we may be able to challenge self-described experts who wade in here with an axe to grind.

It would be a shame if this post, and all the information about this knife, were moved to a less conspicous forum. Please leave it where it is, and I will not post to it, again.

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Hey, this has been a great thread, with one or two small exceptions. Cliff motivated a number of people who have used the Arc Lite to post their own opinions based on real experience with the knife. A lot of great info about the Arc Lite was revealed. Once you start an open and courteous discussion, the light of the Trrruuuuttth! will bannish the darkness. That won't happen if the dicussion turns away from the issue at hand, the Arc Lite, and onto personalities. It is possible to fight fire with fire, but in a crowded room, it is better to use water.

Good moderating job Para!
 
Well, I ordered one.

Not because the price is ungodly low.....
Not because I know DDR always kicks out a winner....
Not because I know Will usually picks out a winner....

I ordered it because any knife that can generate a 5 page thread without even being on the market yet simply MUST be added to my collection. The darned thing is almost legendary already.
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Ya I guess life without CLIFF would be no fun.
I dont know anyone who can test and pass judgement without even handling the product.
Maybe we are seeing this the wrong way
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We all have our opinions. Thanks to all for the kind words.

Just put the ignore button on from now on I guess.

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Wow Cliff, thats really cool how you can tell all that from a picture. Anyways, I have a Randall model 25, can I email you a picture only, and you review it for me? I will attempt to make it a clear picture so you can tell if it will shave hair or not. Please let me know how the picture does on chopping concrete. Maybe you could even smack the photo with a chain
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Looking forward to seeing how it turns out.



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Originally posted by Darrel Ralph:
Most companies do extensive testing on there own to make sure the products work.
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"Most"? I find that hard to believe. I know some do and there are others I suspect do based on the products they put in production and there are those who through long traditions know what will work as long as they don't deviate too much from the tried and proven.
But it really seems to me that today there are lots of knives ordered into production by the marketing department, possibly at the stage they're still just lines on paper or a CAD file, based on what they think will sell.

With Camillus I am here to tell you that they have put this knife through MANY hoops to make it function FIRST.
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Can you, without revealing any secrets of course, tell us a bit about how it was tested and if there were any changes to the design as the result of the tests?



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last time I looked this was full o' praise for a budget knife, how things have changed into a cluster you know what. Where's Lynn?
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I think Will should answer this question.
I may say things that are not for the public to know. But I will say that yes I went through many prototypes to get this knife to the point that it was GOOD enough for Camillus. There attitude with there CUDA line is this... Knives have to function first.


As for this thread going down hill.
Its a great knife for the money!
We all know the rest of the story!

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para,

i think you taking this moderatin a bit too serious
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if ppl cant voice their opinions then why have a forum?

also when some self proclaimed expert blatantly cuts down a knife that he hasnt even felt in his hand, you gonna get fired up posts
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cliff has time and again did this to knives from ppl he dont seem to like, so if he can posts his attacks, why cant everyone else? just look at them like cliff does knives and think of them not as personal attacks, look at it as we all do seeing cliff as just a tool with no emotional attachment to him one way or the other
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cliff:
It is a tool not a person, I don't have any emotional attachment to it one way or the other.
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as Rob says cliff, get some emotion in your life, you seem like a very empty person.
 
Tim, I understand and agree with what you are saying.

All I am saying is that you can not attack the Person. You can ridicule his statements, and ideas. You can show how his assumptions and assertations are unfounded, silly, and biased.

But you can not insult or make statements about the character of the person. This is a big problem with people who attack Cliff. Cliff Never makes personal attacks. But his statements Often make other people really mad. I fully understand this. But folks need to learn to express their thoughts without directly attacking the Man.

This policy is not new. It is the fundamental rule here at BFC. Be Nice does not mean that you Must Agree.

Paracelsus
 
I think Cliff is just jerkin all of your chains, and is probably laughing himself silly that anyone could take anything he has to say seriously. I have read enough posts to realize there is nothing to be learned from him.

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