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So was it a good lesson, or was he being kind of a jerk?

:barf: Guy was being a pseudo-intellectual tard. He was just trying to be the dominant male and screw you out of a needed meal and using the social convention of oath making to convince you that you should go along with it. If you want to discuss life lessons, you did fail that test. Why? Because you didn't point out to him that in reality, you had the knife you had the steak and since he was playing word games to try and steal from you that the only way he was getting a bite of that steak was by taking it from you by force. Then you would have taught him a lesson; that being never to F*&K with you. I'd also say you need to get better at reading people and stop hanging out with losers like that. I used to be like that when i was younger and got screwed over a lot, but as I got older I started to read people better and avoided jerks like your camping buddy. So in the end the answer to your question is both : It was a good lesson, and he was being a jerk. I just hope you learn from it and not let people take advantage of you again, because the most important thing if you join up with someone in a survival situation is being able to trust and help one another, not play asinine games or cheat each other. That crap may get you ahead on "Survivor", but it's not worth a pinch of turkey dung on Survivorman.
 
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I normally don't comment to a thread because I am not qualified to do so but in this case I as a greenhorn will make an exception. He is nuts....and I would not do anything with him anywhere ever again . I learn one valuable lesson when I was diving and that is when selecting dive partners use this axiom, "if they are flakes above the surface they will be flakes under the surface". Same goes with picking partners, I would assume, for outside wilderness type activities. By not sharing food he jeopardized your well-being. Think about that and let him know he violated what is sacred you never deny help or food or water to others in the outdoors. So screw him.
 
It was not about survival skills or learning a lesson. It was about the balance of power in your relationship. This purported friend for some reason feels the need to dominate you and, for the time being, has succeeded. You either need to off load the guy or reassert your position. Otherwise, as another poster noted, be prepared to remain subservient.

It could turn out to be a good training experience in self respect and asserting yourself. However, after it's over, I'd problably still dump the jackass.

DancesWithKnives

[Edit: Around 1990 I was on a two-week wilderness canoe trip with a group that included a guy that like. Since then he has asked to go on several additional trips. My position has always been that he earned himself a life-time ban. I don't want someone like that in the backcountry with me---I don't even like seeing him at other people's parties.]
 
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The jerk store called, they want your friend back.

That aside, the cutting deal was that a person would cut the steak with the intent to get it as even as possible. When jerk told you to cut him a really small piece, you were no longer acting pursuant to the contract. He had no moral, ethical, or legal right to claim the larger piece.
 
wolfenhawk said:
:barf: Guy was being a pseudo-intellectual tard. He was just trying to be the dominant male and screw you out of a needed meal and using the social convention of oath making to convince you that you should go along with it. If you want to discuss life lessons, you did fail that test. Why? Because you didn't point out to him that in reality, you had the knife you had the steak and since he was playing word games to try and steal from you that the only way he was getting a bite of that steak was by taking it from you by force. Then you would have taught him a lesson; that being never to F*&K with you. I'd also say you need to get better at reading people and stop hanging out with losers like that. I used to be like that when i was younger and got screwed over a lot, but as I got older I started to read people better and avoided jerks like your camping buddy. So in the end the answer to your question is both : It was a good lesson, and he was being a jerk. I just hope you learn from it and not let people take advantage of you again, because the most important thing if you join up with someone in a survival situation is being able to trust and help one another, not play asinine games or cheat each other. That crap may get you ahead on "Survivor", but it's not worth a pinch of turkey dung on Survivorman.
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Well said! :thumbup:

Doc
 
If you're serious and this story actually happened, you got conned, he had this planned for whatever reason.

Either play him for a bigger fool or don't associate with him.

Tire deflating on a LONG bike trip far away from a place to repair it, load him up on water and when he stops to pee, cut his tires and ride off, laughing loudly.
 
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From these comments, I am assuming he was not a good friend. He seems to be more of an acquaintance. How long have you known him? Do you ever have to see him again?
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That is an astute observation. See, the problem is that I actually do not know very many guys. I work with 95% females, and most of the men I work with are make-up artists and wardrobe stylists or clothing designers connected to the fashion industry. Often times these guys they end up being.......well, gay, and not really that much into outdoor activities (I don't mean to make a generalization about gay men, so don't take it as such).

The other men I work with are like Ad agency executives or CEO's of small ad agencies.......people that hire me to shoot advertising concepts for them. So really they are like bosses and I did not feel like it would be appropriate to ask them to come along for this little excursion.

And the girls.....well sure some of them are into cycling and the outdoors, but if I were to ask them to come with me for an overnight outing, it would seem like I was making romantic advances towards them and would probably be viewed as inappropriate.

So I knew this girl I had worked with. She was a part-time model and med student, and when I worked with her for the first time she brought her boyfriend along. Along the course of the shoot she asked me what my hobbies were, and I said I was into cycling. She mentioned her boyfriend was also, and that he had cycled all throughout Europe. In fact, the day I worked with her he told me that he had been riding for 4 hours that very morning. He also seemed like a nice guy because he told me he could get me a discount at some bike shops he worked with.

So I had two choices really. I could put up like an advertisement on craigslist or the cycling forum I belong to and ask if someone wanted to come out with me...............Or I could ask this guy who I knew was into cycling. I decided it would probably be better to ask this guy since I knew him personally, versus an online stranger. I am actually pretty good friends with his girlfriend and have worked with her a few times, so I thought it would be fine.

Also, the people suggesting he was some sort of domineering alpha male..........well this guy is maybe 5'6 or 5'7, and very slim. I would say he is in very good cardiovascular shape, but I doubt anyone would think of him as some 'thug' alpha male.
 
wolfenhawk said:
:barf: Guy was being a pseudo-intellectual tard. He was just trying to be the dominant male and screw you out of a needed meal and using the social convention of oath making to convince you that you should go along with it. If you want to discuss life lessons, you did fail that test. Why? Because you didn't point out to him that in reality, you had the knife you had the steak and since he was playing word games to try and steal from you that the only way he was getting a bite of that steak was by taking it from you by force. Then you would have taught him a lesson; that being never to F*&K with you. I'd also say you need to get better at reading people and stop hanging out with losers like that. I used to be like that when i was younger and got screwed over a lot, but as I got older I started to read people better and avoided jerks like your camping buddy. So in the end the answer to your question is both : It was a good lesson, and he was being a jerk. I just hope you learn from it and not let people take advantage of you again, because the most important thing if you join up with someone in a survival situation is being able to trust and help one another, not play asinine games or cheat each other. That crap may get you ahead on "Survivor", but it's not worth a pinch of turkey dung on Survivorman.
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My favorite response so far.:thumbup:
 
You should have threw the steak on the ground and took a piss on it then told him to eat up. Then I would have left.

That guy sounds like an a$$ and someone that I would never make a venture into the woods with again.
 
Hmmmmm...
The lesson wasn't (the friend's) about the steak, it was the (op's) about people.
I don't consider the op to be a wimp.
He conceded a battle (the steak) to win the war (knowing this guy's true colors).
Now that the op knows that this guy is a class A jerk, the op can continue on without him.
The loser in the equation is the jerk with the full belly. He lost out on a quality friend all for the pleasure of screwing someone out of a meal.
Short term gain, long term loss.

I've got gray in my beard and still try to go by "2 wrongs don't make a right"
(but 3 lefts do :D )
We've got people that would harm him, one that would kill him and a bunch that would screw up his property...
I realize this is the internet and there is a lot of keyboard bravado...
Escalating the issue would make the OP the villain in the eyes of the law.

Escalating the issue with someone who was willing to push buttons like that, far from others, would be playing right into his hand.
That could very well be all that jerk "needed" to do something worse than just con the op out of some meat. All justified in his warped mind.

The best thing to do with people like that is keep them as far away as you can.
 
Ebbtide said:
Hmmmmm...
The lesson wasn't (the friend's) about the steak, it was the (op's) about people.
I don't consider the op to be a wimp.
He conceded a battle (the steak) to win the war (knowing this guy's true colors).
Now that the op knows that this guy is a class A jerk, the op can continue on without him.
The loser in the equation is the jerk with the full belly. He lost out on a quality friend all for the pleasure of screwing someone out of a meal.
Short term gain, long term loss.

I've got gray in my beard and still try to go by "2 wrongs don't make a right"
(but 3 lefts do :D )
We've got people that would harm him, one that would kill him and a bunch that would screw up his property...
I realize this is the internet and there is a lot of keyboard bravado...
Escalating the issue would make the OP the villain in the eyes of the law.

Escalating the issue with someone who was willing to push buttons like that, far from others, would be playing right into his hand.
That could very well be all that jerk "needed" to do something worse than just con the op out of some meat. All justified in his warped mind.

The best thing to do with people like that is keep them as far away as you can.
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And that can be done by tying him to a tree and leaving him there while you ride away with your bike and the entire steak ;)
 
You said that "one would cut the steak and one would choose the piece". He chose the small piece...by his own words! YOU cut and he said HE wanted a small piece. Give him what he wanted....a tiny piece! That was your agreement.
I don't see how he could even say he has the right to the large piece? HE chose the small piece.....
Your friend is psycho!
I would have biked out in the middle of the night with HIS bike and then called the police and say my bike just got stolen and I lost the thief as he entered the park.
Then I would have called his wife and asked for him...when she says that he's supposed to be with you camping I'd say, what are you talking about, I haven't seem him since last week!
%UCK that @aa hole!!!!
 
You should have just laughed at him & handed him the little piece of steak!!!! If all you brought to eat for two people was 1 steak & you let the other guy pretty much take it from you. maybe you should find a stay at home hobby.
 
Bone the dudes model girl friend. He took your meat you take his meat. It's the way of the wild.

Or just get used to being someone's jail house bitch.
 
I would have eaten three large mouthfuls of the steak before he made a move for it, then I would throw it into a pile of shit. Enough to satiate me and piss him off. "Never can tell" is what I would have iterated. "Never can tell".....

But seriously, the whole pseudo intellectual thing, right on the money. Betrayal can only be met with betrayal. I would ride over to his house this instant and take a steaming pile on his porch and then scream "MERRY CHRISTMAS....NEVER CAN TELL".......
 
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