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So was it a good lesson, or was he being kind of a jerk?

ieraseu said:
Also, the people suggesting he was some sort of domineering alpha male..........well this guy is maybe 5'6 or 5'7, and very slim. I would say he is in very good cardiovascular shape, but I doubt anyone would think of him as some 'thug' alpha male.
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This guy was not a friend and barely an acquaintance. And not looking the 'thug' part is an advantage - people don't feel threatened so their guard isn't up. Con men are great at this. It takes two to make the con work - the con artist and the victim.

My question for you is to look at yourself and ask what kind of "vibes" do you give off that he thought you would fall for his insult?

This is not a slam at you. But we know, for example, that people in a high crime area who appear oblivious to their surroundings are more likely to become a victim.
 
If he is your skills mentor - interesting lesson.

If he is your buddy - I would have suggested playing a game of 'Hide and go f@%K yourself.'


TF
 
I'm not sure why some of the respondents in this thread see a need to try to attack my, let's call it, 'intestinal fortitude'.

I am a level headed individual. I can recognize if a situation is dire or not. If we had been out in the desert and he would have wanted the only water canteen, I would have contested for it physically.......that would have been life and death. I am no coward.

On the other hand this was not life and death. I ate breakfast that morning, and even if I had not, I know the body can go on for much longer without food without major issue. The main question at hand, is whether you believe he was justified in wanting to impose such a 'lesson'. I choose to accept it because I valued honoring my word more then a single meal. Sure he used trickery, but I did not see that as an excuse to dishonor myself by resorting to similar tactics. I saw no need to 'wrestle in the mud' when nothing significant was at steak (no pun intended). Some of you act like you would have stabbed him, or physically assaulted him. Had I done so, would I not have become an object of ridicule for such rash actions? How would it sound in the news to read that a man stabbed someone for taking a bigger piece of a steak?

For the person that asked why the two of us only took one steak for an entire evening, well it's not uncommon at all for cyclists to go extremely light on food. Sometimes just taking a few 'power bars' for all day excursions, along with (of course) a plentiful supply of water.
 
ieraseu said:
Hey guys, I wanted to get your opinion on something.

Sometime ago I decided that I wanted to go 'stealth' camping in this state park somewhat near me. Basically I wanted to cycle to the location and through the park during the day for some exercise, and then keep out of sight when it closed and spend the night there. Not really a big deal, right?

Well, I didn't know this particular park very well, so I decided to take someone along with me. He suggested that we pool our resources and go shopping together for the some food to cover the one night. He suggested that we buy a nice steak and grill it (the park has those grill things you can use). So we did, and loaded up our bikes and everything was seemingly fine.

Later in the evening when it was time to grill up the steak, we did so and he said his stomach was acting up after riding so long and that he only wanted a tiny piece of steak. So I said, "Are you sure?"........and he said, "yes." So I was cutting him a small piece, and he says ........."Even smaller, all I want is a little slice to get some flavor into my mouth, that's all." So I move the knife over and cut him this very small piece.

Then he says, "Remember that when we agreed to split the money for this steak, we also agreed that one person would cut, and the other would choose which half he wants?"

I replied......."Yes."

So he went on........."Good, I want the big part, you can eat the tiny slice."

I said, "What are you trying to pull?"

And he said, "Nothing at all. I am just teaching you a valuable lesson. You can never plan what is going to happen when you are out in the bush. Anyone can get lost and be caught without provisions, and furthermore, you should know better then to rely on someone else. You are not going to break your word are you? It's only one night. Give me the big piece of the steak. "

So I grudgingly gave him the big piece of steak and spent a pretty hungry night out after cycling all day. It was just one night, so not like it was life threatening or anything.

What is your opinion on this situation? Did he have a valid point, or was he just being somewhat of a jerk? How would you have reacted?
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not a jerk at all, and one hell of a valuable lesson! ;)
 
ieraseu said:
The main question at hand, is whether you believe he was justified in wanting to impose such a 'lesson'.
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You are the only person with all the information to answer the question. You know your relationship with this person and all the circumstances surrounding it.

My question remains:
"My question for you is to look at yourself and ask what kind of "vibes" do you give off that he thought you would fall for his insult?"

If you don't like the word insult substitute another word.
 
Jerk. :thumbdn: :mad: :thumbdn:


He would not last long in any camp with me.


Anybody trying to get between me, my knife, and MY steak,

…might as well come between me and my dogs. :eek:





Big Mike
 
ieraseu said:
The main question at hand, is whether you believe he was justified in wanting to impose such a 'lesson'. I choose to accept it because I valued honoring my word more then a single meal. Sure he used trickery, but I did not see that as an excuse to dishonor myself by resorting to similar tactics..
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To answer your question; No I don't feel he was justified to "teach" you a lesson. As far as honoring your word; you agreed to pay half to receive half of the food. Standing up for yourself is not a bad thing because it keeps things like this from happening to you.

The real lesson here is to pick better friends in the future
 
That wasn't a lesson. It was a test, which you failed.
He wanted to see if he could punk you, and he did.
People do it to each other all the time. Shoot, women and kids do basically the same thing to us all the time. This is how many people establish boundaries in their relationships with others.
For all you know, he might have been an ok guy, just seeing if you were someone he wanted to associate with. Ever think of that?
 
I don't think that is something "OK" guys would do.
Maybe if he split the steak in half when all the words were done.
 
OwenM said:
That wasn't a lesson. It was a test, which you failed.
He wanted to see if he could punk you, and he did.
People do it to each other all the time. Shoot, women and kids do basically the same thing to us all the time. This is how many people establish boundaries in their relationships with others.
For all you know, he might have been an ok guy, just seeing if you were someone he wanted to associate with. Ever think of that?
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Insightful observation.
 
Wow. I don't know how so many people have time to play with knives, what with all the killing, ass whooping and girlfriend stealing they do.
 
ieraseu said:
I'm not sure why some of the respondents in this thread see a need to try to attack my, let's call it, 'intestinal fortitude'.
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The real question is: What did you really learn, and where do you stand with your "friend" now?
 
I'd have told him he could have the big piece of steak, once my colon had finished with it. Jerk move on his part for sure. Certainly makes the 'don't invite to the woods again' list.

I'd almost be tempted to take this guy in the woods then lace his tea with a laxative and enjoy his misery. You know just to teach him a lesson to be prepared and carry medicines etc.
 
One can get along with most people in the city, but the trail should be shared with close, trusted friends only.
Twice, I have been forced to share a hike with people I didn’t get along with. The experience soured the hikes completely. (Reason was that some good friends dropped out at the last minute, leaving me to hike with people I did not know too well.) I must admit, that I probably appeared to be a real jerk to the other people because my reaction to them was not always civil.
Finding the right person/s to hike with can be quite an experience in itself. Most times the issues revolve around the little things. Eg. One guy ran out of gas for his stove on the first night, leaving the rest of us to lend him our stoves once we were done cooking so that he could prepare his meal. So that meant no coffee for us while he was cooking with our kit. Then somehow he would get sauce all over the body of the stove. Stern words were spoken. He was never invited on any hikes with us again.
 
This is pretty funny and I can understand trying to "keep your word"...if it's that important to you, you did the right thing. I would just have taken his front bicycle tire and left real early in the morning. After his hike out on foot carrying his bike, both of you would have learned a valuable lesson and you would have gotten the last laugh. He was an ass, pure and simple. If he was really being serious, than I would be looking for a new biking/camping buddy. A dog would have been a much better companion than that jackass.

ROCK6
 
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