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So was it a good lesson, or was he being kind of a jerk?

ieraseu said:
I'm not sure why some of the respondents in this thread see a need to try to attack my, let's call it, 'intestinal fortitude'.

I am a level headed individual. I can recognize if a situation is dire or not. If we had been out in the desert and he would have wanted the only water canteen, I would have contested for it physically.......that would have been life and death. I am no coward.
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You know what, I think you did okay. You recognized that you were within your tolerance zone and you felt that your word was more important, even if most people think you were tricked into keeping it. It really doesn't matter what other people think. However, in the previous post you did mention that you were more friendly with the guys girlfriend. Personally, I think you should buy that girl a coffee and relay the story to her. She should be aware that her boyfriend is a controlling and cruel in his attitude. If you really think of her as a friend than I would really try to warn her off this fellow. He is clearly a wife beater to be. Probably is a bit of a psychotic, has little ability to sympathize with others. Anyhow, that would be my reaction. I wouldn't lay on the drama. Just tell her that story and end with. Your boyfriend is controlling. I hope that is what you are looking for in a relationship. Good luck.
 
shangchi108 said:
The real question is: What did you really learn, and where do you stand with your "friend" now?
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In my professional work, it is generally accepted that criticism is a good thing. After all, it is only when one is made aware of certain faults that one is able to expedite their correction. However, it is also understood that under no circumstances should criticism be given unless invited. Such is the mark of a gentleman.

With regards to this particular situation, it is my feeling that I had not expressed any desire to receive 'instruction' during my excursion. Although the lesson in question may have had some merit, this is overruled by the fact that I did not offer myself as a willing student. For this reason I view it as, to quote myself, 'a jerk move'. I have therefore made the determination that this particular individual is not someone whom deserves further consideration as someone to befriend.


At this point, I would like to thank everyone who took the time to read and respond to my query. Certainly I did not agree with every conclusion put forth, but nevertheless it was with great interest that I read each and every response. Happy Christmas.
 
ieraseu said:
Also, the people suggesting he was some sort of domineering alpha male..........well this guy is maybe 5'6 or 5'7, and very slim. I would say he is in very good cardiovascular shape, but I doubt anyone would think of him as some 'thug' alpha male.
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Not an issue. Physical size does not denote personality types. I've met plenty of little weasels that wanted to dominate (Yeah, I'm the "big thug" kind of Alpha Male).

ieraseu said:
I'm not sure why some of the respondents in this thread see a need to try to attack my, let's call it, 'intestinal fortitude'.
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Because you surrendered something for no reason. Was there a threat (real or implied) toward you if you did not comply?

It wasn't a matter of honor on your part. Like others said, you cut the steak, he requested a tiny piece, thus fulfilling the bargain. he then bullied you into a new deal afterward.

Whether you feel this was worth confronting him over or not, other alpha male types (plenty here it seems, no surprise given the self-reliance nature of this board) will see it as a lack of intestinal fortitude.

ieraseu said:
The main question at hand, is whether you believe he was justified in wanting to impose such a 'lesson'.
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No, he wasn't. Now, if he had done something like saying what he said, and then given you half of the steak back and said something like "But it's a good thing you brought a friend along." It would have been entirely different.


What I would have done is eat the tiny piece of steak, cut the rest in half and given him half. If he protested, I would have responded with something like "Good luck with that next time, Poindexter."

If he got violent or loud after that, I'd take the chance to paraphrase one of my favorite lines: "Good, bad, I'm the guy with the knife."


In either case, I'd settle down like I was going to sleep, and listen for his breathing to get real regular, or start snoring. Then I'd pack up my stuff and leave him there.

No, I wouldn't damage his bike, or him.
 
beef said:
Wow. I don't know how so many people have time to play with knives, what with all the killing, ass whooping and girlfriend stealing they do.
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I don't get it.

Don't the first two constitute "playing with knives?"

We multitask!!

:p
 
ieraseu said:
At this point, I would like to thank everyone who took the time to read and respond to my query. Certainly I did not agree with every conclusion put forth, but nevertheless it was with great interest that I read each and every response. Happy Christmas.
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Are you a Brit?
 
ieraseu ... Firstly I hope you're having a happy Christmas.
I have just found your thread and read the responses ... lots of emotions flowing.
I get the feeling this guy thinks you are hitting on his girlfriend. The lesson is not a direct one.
 
ROCK6 said:
This is pretty funny and I can understand trying to "keep your word"...if it's that important to you, you did the right thing. I would just have taken his front bicycle tire and left real early in the morning. After his hike out on foot carrying his bike, both of you would have learned a valuable lesson and you would have gotten the last laugh. He was an ass, pure and simple. If he was really being serious, than I would be looking for a new biking/camping buddy. A dog would have been a much better companion than that jackass.

ROCK6
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"keep your word" - is just a ruse the OP used to keep some modicum of dignity. You keep your word with other honorable
people.

OP said:
"With regards to this particular situation, it is my feeling that I had not expressed any desire to receive 'instruction' during my excursion."

The "friend" was playing the OP.
 
ieraseu said:
So I knew this girl I had worked with. She was a part-time model and med student, and when I worked with her for the first time she brought her boyfriend along. Along the course of the shoot she asked me what my hobbies were, and I said I was into cycling. She mentioned her boyfriend was also, and that he had cycled all throughout Europe. In fact, the day I worked with her he told me that he had been riding for 4 hours that very morning. He also seemed like a nice guy because he told me he could get me a discount at some bike shops he worked with.


Also, the people suggesting he was some sort of domineering alpha male..........well this guy is maybe 5'6 or 5'7, and very slim. I would say he is in very good cardiovascular shape, but I doubt anyone would think of him as some 'thug' alpha male.
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This answers the whole story!!

The guy was trying to be "domineering" in the respect he wanted to show he was "better" and you "threatened" his relationship with his girlfriend! He had this planned from the getgo!! NO doubt about that now!

He's a total jerk and chances are he doesn't treat his girlfriend all that well either. (Just my $.02 worth!)

My guess is she would be worth pursuing! ;)

Good luck! :)
 
Sounds to me like he is jealous of your friendship with his girlfriend and was trying to humiliate you and I,m sure he told her about the little lesson to make her think less of you. He is a jackass in a major way, and probably doesn't have a lot of friends.

edit: I would do my best to screw his girl friend
 
ieraseu, what other wilderness skills has your cycling friend taught you? What else have you learned from him?
 
wolfenhawk said:
Army Of Darkness? Bruce Campbell? If so, great movie and one of my favorite lines too.:D
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Oh hell yeah.

Definitely on my top 10 favorite movies of all time.
It's too bad Bruce Campbell never really got an A-List movie, I think he's highly underrated.
 
Irrespective of what he said, I'd have cut the steak into to equal shares and told him that either one is your share, do with it as you want.

I've only read the 1st page of this thread, so if someone's posted this already, I apologize.

This guy is a friend, but with the 'r' removed!
 
OwenM said:
That wasn't a lesson. It was a test, which you failed.
He wanted to see if he could punk you, and he did.
People do it to each other all the time. Shoot, women and kids do basically the same thing to us all the time. This is how many people establish boundaries in their relationships with others.
For all you know, he might have been an ok guy, just seeing if you were someone he wanted to associate with. Ever think of that?
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I agree with everything here, except the last 2 sentences. I have never met an "ok" guy who tried to see if you were "cool" enough to hang with him over the age of 15. I would have picked his scrawny ass ass up by the neck, and repeated what he said to you. Then, gave him a clap on the back, correctly portioned the steak in half, and let him see how a true man works. What a douchebag.:thumbdn:
 
I would have espoused a little wisdom of my own back to him: "Possession is 9/10's of the law in the "world", but it's 100% of the law in the bush when you are the one with the knife."
 
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