Spark crossed a line

Furthermore, it's interesting that 65 days in the batt, going AWOL, busting your spine, getting barred from reenlistment, getting kicked out of the army as an E-1, with no special skills, suddenly make him:
  • Eligible for special Somalia deals 6 years after he was kicked out of the Army, for a FEDERAL carjacking felony.
  • A super secret squirrell operator with "overseas combat" time, PTSD and a "special operations background", having served with SOCOM / JSOC / (whatever) after his release from prison.
That someone in law enforcement can even swallow these lies astounds me. That others are willing to throw away their integrity to believe this isn't so suprising, but law enforcement officers should know better.

So tell me, Horned Toad, just in your experience: Have you heard of such outlandish plea bargains being made on a Federal level? I mean, if they'd make an exception for him, they should be everywhere, right? Do you think it's SOP for Federal Prosecutors to make deals in plea bargains, then "change their mind" during sentencing, nullifying the plea bargain and sending the person to jail?

Heck, let's drill this down further, do you think that the Prosecution ever even suggested Mick Strider serve in Somalia instead of going to jail? Or do you think that his defense attorney even suggested it at all, knowing Federal Sentencing guidelines as a defense attorney tends to have passing familiarity with? And if his defense attorney suggested it, how long do you think the prosecution laughed at him over suggesting a 65 day in Batt, AWOL, carjacking operator be trusted going overseas, armed (you know, despite the whole felons and firearms deal), without pay?

Tell me, Horned Toad, you were in the Batts right? Ranger All the Way? You can still recite the Ranger Creed, right? How many points of the Creed has Mick repeatedly broken? If it was someone you didn't know, and you found out they had 65 days in the Batts, went AWOL, got kicked out of the Army, lost all rank, then 6 years later carjacked someone and went to prison, then after they got out reinvented themselves as a special operations legend and lied constantly to puff themselves up... would you view them as a shitbag?
 
Danno4017 said:
I am speculating on something Michelle mentioned way back in the thread or it may have been the other long Strider thread.
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Yes and she also answered the question if the letter to Osman was real or not by calling TFC a bad source. Now we know that the letter is real.
I wouldn't hold my breath either. I'm not going to lean out of the window too far, but most of the stuff Strider's supporters said were nothing more but bluffs. They support him for the sake of supporting him - not because they have some evidence or know something we don't know.
If a well known knifemaker claims to be his friend and calls him the "real deal" with "medals to prove it", "wounded in combat" - why should I care how many famous knifemakers are standing behind him? This is so irrational! Yes, some place(s) has(/have) become a laughingstock now, but not bladeforums. A big facade has been brought down by just coughing at it. To me, at least.
 
Horned Toad said:
In the late 80s Ranger school was only 52 days long. So in the 80s you could go to a 52 day long school and be a stud, if you passed, but if you only spent 65 day in a bat you are a shit bag, interesting logic.
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At this time it has nothing to do with how long he was a Ranger. It has to with making claims of being a combat vet, which it is obvious he wasn't. It is about making a rediculous claim that he was going to be sentenced to a year in Somalia instead of five years in prison, when that wasn't even a possibility. It was about having never been in combat, but being the one to decide what ammunition his squad was going to use. It was about his claims of facing an enemy in combat, which he never did. I don't think anybody based their opinion of Mick on just the claim that he lied about being a ranger, so that claim being disproved wasn't likely to change people's minds.
 
Bohica2u said:
Spark has made the point precisely. Uncle Sam spent the money to put a TRAINABLE person into a battalion, only to have him piss it away by going AWOL. Mick service is measured in days and months. Quite embarrasing. So yes, shit bag is the proper term in this situation.
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As I read the documents it appears that he went AWOL after he left Bat.
 
Spark said:
Just as an aside, I got forwarded an interesting link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affinity_fraud which is a scheme used by con men. Certainly seems like a similar set of circumstances to what's happened here.
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You should also read the Wikipedia page on True Believer Syndrome. An excerpt:

An example of the true-believer syndrome occurred in the case of "Carlos", a fake psychic created by James Randi, with Jose Alvarez portraying Carlos. Even after the hoax was revealed, some people continued to believe. Alvarez quotes people as saying "We know everything they're saying about you. We don't care. We believe in you." Randi said "No amount of evidence, no matter how good it is or how much there is of it, is ever going to convince the true believer to the contrary."
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Spark said:
Furthermore, it's interesting that 65 days in the batt, going AWOL, busting your spine, getting barred from reenlistment, getting kicked out of the army as an E-1, with no special skills, suddenly make him:
  • Eligible for special Somalia deals 6 years after he was kicked out of the Army, for a FEDERAL carjacking felony.
  • A super secret squirrell operator with "overseas combat" time, PTSD and a "special operations background", having served with SOCOM / JSOC / (whatever) after his release from prison.
That someone in law enforcement can even swallow these lies astounds me. That others are willing to throw away their integrity to believe this isn't so suprising, but law enforcement officers should know better.
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Since no one has put forward any info on what happened during those six year who knows
So tell me, Horned Toad, just in your experience: Have you heard of such outlandish plea bargains being made on a Federal level? I mean, if they'd make an exception for him, they should be everywhere, right? Do you think it's SOP for Federal Prosecutors to make deals in plea bargains, then "change their mind" during sentencing, nullifying the plea bargain and sending the person to jail?
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I have only stepped up to that level a few times. What I do know of federal prosecutors is that I wouldn’t trust one as far as I could throw one. The last big case I worked went on for years, I just happened to be at the end where there was some resolution. It took about 5 years of paperwork and reports to get a federal prosecutor off their ass and do their job. Alien smuggling wasn’t enough, not drugs, not counterfeiting, not money laundering, not murder, what finally got them off their sorry ass was the fact that some illegal might have been getting held against their will in a stash house. So I would say anything goes with them. I know I have been called on the carpet before for telling them I think of them when they declined prosecution on a case.

Heck, let's drill this down further, do you think that the Prosecution ever even suggested Mick Strider serve in Somalia instead of going to jail? Or do you think that his defense attorney even suggested it at all, knowing Federal Sentencing guidelines as a defense attorney tends to have passing familiarity with? And if his defense attorney suggested it, how long do you think the prosecution laughed at him over suggesting a 65 day in Batt, AWOL, carjacking operator be trusted going overseas, armed (you know, despite the whole felons and firearms deal), without pay?
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No clue, back to those missing years, back to what I think of federal prosecutors, that knuckle head in Texas Johnny Sutton looks like he sure made some great calls lately, up to at least 13 people murdered because of his bad decisions. Two federal Agents in prison. And that is in Texas now picture California. Sutton may be state but I haven’t seen any difference between any of them as far as job performance.

Tell me, Horned Toad, you were in the Batts right? Ranger All the Way? You can still recite the Ranger Creed, right? How many points of the Creed has Mick repeatedly broken? If it was someone you didn't know, and you found out they had 65 days in the Batts, went AWOL, got kicked out of the Army, lost all rank, then 6 years later carjacked someone and went to prison, then after they got out reinvented themselves as a special operations legend and lied constantly to puff themselves up... would you view them as a shitbag?
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Actually I was at Regt Headquarters the whole time. I feel I represented the Regt as well as 21 year tabbed out Sgt could. Looking back there is always room for improvement. Hate to break it to you but getting kicked out of Bat is not always the black mark forever. In that environment it is possible to get kicked out of bat for something as simple as bouncing a check or getting caught pissing in the bushes on the way back to the barracks from the E club. There were and are a lot of guys that get the boot for stupid shit and come back later. On the whole carjacking thing, there are always going to be guys that make mistakes. Is it bad yes, but he did his time. What more do you want. There is a guy hiding out in Canada right now who expressly joined the Rangers in order to get skills to form a gang and is fighting extradition on political grounds. That is serious, false pretense from the start. Somehow I don’t think Mick joined the military with the plan of doing carjacking later.

Also I usually only ever remember a line or two of each stanza. I do know there is that one about never leaving a fallen comrade. One of my best friends who I served with in the Rangers and who is still right now putting a foot in hadjis ass tell me that Mick is G2G, and this is after years of knowing him and spending lots of time with Mick so that’s good enough for me. I mean who am I going to believe, my brother from another mother or some guy on the internet. I also remember this guy named Roger he had a bunch of standing orders, # 4 comes to mind.


That and you knew it was coming ( a little levity for the situation)


























TAB CHECK
 
Shit, where's my coin?
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yeah, except he can't go Delta as an E1 without one full enlistment under his belt.

Horned Toad said:
coins dont get you out of that one:D
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Yep, you got me, I'm not tabbed, scrolled, or even coined by any Ranger association. I am an honorably discharged vet though, with a few years in. Nothing remotely special operations or even combat zone time in my record. But I'll put my record up against a faker's any day. And I'm sure you would too.

Anyhow, this is one of the things that keeps coming up and bugging the hell out of me. There's always someone else coming up and going "my buddy's mom's dog's cousin's owner's uncle says Mick is verified, so he's ok by me!"

The problem with this is that the actual paperwork doesn't bear this out. So, you've got a pile of guys with credentials, who are used to back up the creds of someone who has none, which leads us to this current predicament. And guess what? Mick had a faker vouching for him, and he vouched for a faker as well. Whoops. So where's all the guys with actual Special Operations time coming forward, saying "Yeah, I was with Mick in combat in [x country] during [y time]" if he's "well known" in the Special Operations community? Why can't anyone show anything concrete about Mick being with them anywhere? Heck, why did Mick show off his secret squirrel operator CQB ninja rig, complete with 1911 thigh rig, if he can't even touch a firearm?

Sure, Mick served his time. "Congrats" on that, I guess. The problem is that when someone says they are a "combat vet" with "special operations" time in SOCOM, as I showed in that other thread, and tells repeated lies about themselves, then turns out to be an E1, who went AWOL, who was kicked out of the Army, who then pulled a carjacking and then claimed they'd be sent to Somalia instead of prison... well, their credibility in matters of the truthfullness of their record is pretty much shot to hell, right?

I'm sorry some sorry prosecutors didn't do, in your opinion, their job. That sucks. You are fighting a tough battle on the border, and I empathize with the BS you are putting up with. That said, taking a written out plea bargain and throwing it away sounds pretty unbelievable. Especially since someone isn't being very forthcoming on producing the alleged plea bargain. If it even existed. Which I doubt.
 
It is very unlikely that a prosecutor will back out of an arranged plea bargain. The reason is that the prosecutor will get a reputation amongst the criminal element that he/she can't be trusted to follow through on the deals he/she made. With that kind of a reputation prosecutors would be unable to effectively do their job. It is much more likely that the deal was never offered, than that the deal was reneged on.
 
Spark said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yeah, except he can't go Delta as an E1 without one full enlistment under his belt.



Yep, you got me, I'm not tabbed, scrolled, or even coined by any Ranger association. I am an honorably discharged vet though, with a few years in. Nothing remotely special operations or even combat zone time in my record. But I'll put my record up against a faker's any day. And I'm sure you would too.

Anyhow, this is one of the things that keeps coming up and bugging the hell out of me. There's always someone else coming up and going "my buddy's mom's dog's cousin's owner's uncle says Mick is verified, so he's ok by me!"

The problem with this is that the actual paperwork doesn't bear this out. So, you've got a pile of guys with credentials, who are used to back up the creds of someone who has none, which leads us to this current predicament. And guess what? Mick had a faker vouching for him, and he vouched for a faker as well. Whoops. So where's all the guys with actual Special Operations time coming forward, saying "Yeah, I was with Mick in combat in [x country] during [y time]" if he's "well known" in the Special Operations community? Why can't anyone show anything concrete about Mick being with them anywhere? Heck, why did Mick show off his secret squirrel operator CQB ninja rig, complete with 1911 thigh rig, if he can't even touch a firearm?

Sure, Mick served his time. "Congrats" on that, I guess. The problem is that when someone says they are a "combat vet" with "special operations" time in SOCOM, as I showed in that other thread, and tells repeated lies about themselves, then turns out to be an E1, who went AWOL, who was kicked out of the Army, who then pulled a carjacking and then claimed they'd be sent to Somalia instead of prison... well, their credibility in matters of the truthfullness of their record is pretty much shot to hell, right?

I'm sorry some sorry prosecutors didn't do, in your opinion, their job. That sucks. You are fighting a tough battle on the border, and I empathize with the BS you are putting up with. That said, taking a written out plea bargain and throwing it away sounds pretty unbelievable. Especially since someone isn't being very forthcoming on producing the alleged plea bargain. If it even existed. Which I doubt.
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All good points, the only thing I can say in response is that my bud had a break in service and lived in California. He has hung out with these guys in person and even worked in the shop. My buddy is pretty damn sharp and I have a hard time believing that anyone could pull the wool over his eyes for an extended period of time. That’s what it boils down to for me.

The thing I can see as positive about all this is that whatever investigation is being conducted is being done by an outside entity. As I have been told, the POWNETWORK is some standup folks. I would hope that they can come to some sort of conclusion on this for better or worse. I would think that is a lot better than being investigated and tried by your competitors. I don’t really see them having a dog in this fight so to speak.
 
Spark said:
Furthermore, it's interesting that 65 days in the batt, going AWOL, busting your spine, getting barred from reenlistment, getting kicked out of the army as an E-1, with no special skills, suddenly make him:
  • Eligible for special Somalia deals 6 years after he was kicked out of the Army, for a FEDERAL carjacking felony.
  • A super secret squirrell operator with "overseas combat" time, PTSD and a "special operations background", having served with SOCOM / JSOC / (whatever) after his release from prison.
That someone in law enforcement can even swallow these lies astounds me. That others are willing to throw away their integrity to believe this isn't so suprising, but law enforcement officers should know better.

So tell me, Horned Toad, just in your experience: Have you heard of such outlandish plea bargains being made on a Federal level? I mean, if they'd make an exception for him, they should be everywhere, right? Do you think it's SOP for Federal Prosecutors to make deals in plea bargains, then "change their mind" during sentencing, nullifying the plea bargain and sending the person to jail?

Heck, let's drill this down further, do you think that the Prosecution ever even suggested Mick Strider serve in Somalia instead of going to jail? Or do you think that his defense attorney even suggested it at all, knowing Federal Sentencing guidelines as a defense attorney tends to have passing familiarity with? And if his defense attorney suggested it, how long do you think the prosecution laughed at him over suggesting a 65 day in Batt, AWOL, carjacking operator be trusted going overseas, armed (you know, despite the whole felons and firearms deal), without pay?

Tell me, Horned Toad, you were in the Batts right? Ranger All the Way? You can still recite the Ranger Creed, right? How many points of the Creed has Mick repeatedly broken? If it was someone you didn't know, and you found out they had 65 days in the Batts, went AWOL, got kicked out of the Army, lost all rank, then 6 years later carjacked someone and went to prison, then after they got out reinvented themselves as a special operations legend and lied constantly to puff themselves up... would you view them as a shitbag?
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Nah Kevin, evidence is evidence and while a "defendant" is not required to provide any defense he surely gets convicted when evidence like what you have printed is presented. Be it Cop, Plumber, or 2X4 wheeling skitzoid or Joe Blow if we were the Jury there would have been a finding of guilty by the time my coffee got cold.

And my point about a Federal Plea bargain that would have allowed him to go to Somalia is clearly bullshiit (Unless he was/is a Somalian citizen). Modifying Federal Sentencing Guidelines established by Committee or not, it freaking happens. Charges are dropped, modified and new charges put in place to get a sentence that makes it easier to secure a plea. Also working for Dyncorp, Blackwater, Triple Canopy, etc. have standards, However one may never know except Mick whether he was ever such a member having a door opened by someone.

LE or not and I am no fool, this just did not need to go this far. That is my complaint. Adding Duane to this is flat out wrong. Duane has never once portrayed himself to be anything but a Soldier. I do know factually that his name is mentioned often in LE Sniper circles and if someone called Massad Ayoob they may get "the" word also. Please keep Duane out of this, he has no obligation to BFC to out his partner, Brother (in spirit), and good friend. Duane knows how to type and speak and if felt the need to do, so he would do.

My Bitch, my moan, and my groan about all of this is that it was done (in my opinion) to get a response from Mick and that will never happen. I know, I know, I KNOW that to some this is new news. I just find it hard to believe that this info has had a dramatic impact on their lives. Maybe Mick does have PTSD. At the height of mine, strange shiit happened. I did however get lucky not being member of the Special Forces, I forgot to take the safety off when I went to eat my gun in the beginning of may "saga". One need not be in war to suffer PTSD.

I think Strider makes a superb knife, out of my price range right now but maybe soon if I can recover long enough to make some knife money, I will buy one of their folders, heck maybe two

Frauds in any profession need to be outted. Just today I saw an old aquaintance sporting a Vanity registration plate that read: 10THSPF, with a few Airborne stickers on his car. If he was a member of the 10th it was as a janitor!!!

I think Mick's had enough, if this has not impacted him as a human he must be a Sociopath!!!:D I know Mick and his friends care very little, if at all what I think. Some may think this is payback for using BAN instead of Rightguard and that when I used BAN instead of Rightguard no one helped me one bit. I do however believe that whatever impact Strider Knives will face, it will face. Will they come out OK; yeah they make one hell of a knife.........
 
wolfmann601 said:
I think Strider makes a superb knife, out of my price range right now but maybe soon if I can recover long enough to make some knife money, I will buy one of their folders, heck maybe two
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Didn't you recently start a thread saying you just bought a Strider folder? You never did mention which one.
 
Horned Toad said:
All good points, the only thing I can say in response is that my bud had a break in service and lived in California. He has hung out with these guys in person and even worked in the shop. My buddy is pretty damn sharp and I have a hard time believing that anyone could pull the wool over his eyes for an extended period of time. That’s what it boils down to for me.

The thing I can see as positive about all this is that whatever investigation is being conducted is being done by an outside entity. As I have been told, the POWNETWORK is some standup folks. I would hope that they can come to some sort of conclusion on this for better or worse. I would think that is a lot better than being investigated and tried by your competitors. I don’t really see them having a dog in this fight so to speak.
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http://sec-global.com/services/ctp/vsg/news/950700.html
Jim Adams was the curator of the UDT-SEAL museum for years without anyone catching on. He sat on the board of directors meetings, did fundraisers, etc. Nobody was the wiser.

Being in someone's presence doing extraneous shit isn't bonafides for military service, combat time, special operations experience, or anything other than "I was here at this time". I've said it before and I'll say it again: it's pretty easy to be a hellofa great guy when the sun is shining, the weather is calm, and everything is going your way. You don't really find out the truth about someone's character until the chips are down, everything is in the shit, and you aren't safe.

My point? It's easy to be all sunshine and smiles and blow smoke up someone's ass when you are just bullshitting in a bar. It's when things go wrong that we get a true glimpse of what sort of person a man really is. When things go wrong for Mick Strider, the first thing he does is blames someone else. Then he attacks that person, then he gets his buddies to attack them / defend him, then if he is forced to admit he was wrong, he'll apologize, but things aren't his fault, it's all a plot. He did it when he left BladeForums. He did it when he told customers to lick his sack. He did it when his military record was first questioned. He did it against Osman, then against Tim Tang, Lynn Thompson, and now me again.

If Chris Osman hadn't sued Mick Strider, I don't think anyone would have known anything about this. Hell, I didn't know 90% of it until I started digging, and what I turned up was essentially 4 days worth of Google and the BFC search function. Mick Strider certainly isn't being truthful or forthcoming on providing anything remotely verifiable.

But it's amazing what you can turn up with a little research and FOIA documents, and I trust documents over the "he said, she said, my uncle verifies him!"
 
wolfmann601 said:
I think Strider makes a superb knife, out of my price range right now but maybe soon if I can recover long enough to make some knife money, I will buy one of their folders, heck maybe two

Frauds in any profession need to be outted.
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After all the Strider crap

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I went and bought my first Strider folder. Wow, what a knife, built like a tank, sharp as a scalpel and able to do whatever I need a folder to do.

On a scale of 1-10, 10 being the highest my strider folder gets a 9!!!!

Nice job once again Strider guys!!!!!

What you posted at http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=455978


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