Spyderco Fakes & Knock Offs Info

aussiegal said:
Thanks to some great detective work on Australian Blade Forum, I have got to the bottom of the situation. Seems I have been tricked by a dodgy dealer, who is known to other members in Aus'. Looks like I have a genuine Sprint Run G10 handle and he has swapped the blade out for a cheaper one. To what end I have no idea, but he is a repeat offender. Thank you for your help, Blade Forum members, you rock!!!!! :loyal:
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That is a shame... but honestly WAY better than if you ended up with a fake knock-off! Either way, unacceptable, but what you have is still a nice tool (Although maybe not worth quite what you paid)
 
Thanks, I noticed that as well. Makes me worried that is actually an inferior steel. I wouldn't mind so much if it was S30V steel,but it could be rubbish.....sigh
 
aussiegal said:
Thanks, I noticed that as well. Makes me worried that is actually an inferior steel. I wouldn't mind so much if it was S30V steel,but it could be rubbish.....sigh
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More than likely. :(
I just cannot see them making a fake with the same spec as the real deal, otherwise they would be in the business of making their own high end knives as opposed to faking someone else's.
 
Say a Chinese maker who copies Spydeis used the exact materials, and corrected all the design and cosmetic difference noted in so many post. And after close examination a Spydie afi concluded the knife was a spot on match in every detail.....would it be a Spyderco?
 
Tdhurl1103 said:
Say a Chinese maker who copies Spydeis used the exact materials, and corrected all the design and cosmetic difference noted in so many post. And after close examination a Spydie afi concluded the knife was a spot on match in every detail.....would it be a Spyderco?
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Reminds me of a question we debated in an entry-level philosophy class in college: Suppose a wooden sailboat was docked and disassembled piece by piece, then reassembled piece by piece in the next berth. When the re-assembly is complete, is it the same boat?

In answer to your question, I would say no, even if it could be passed off as a legitimate product that would fool even Sal Glesser. If Spyderco didn't make it, it isn't a Spyderco. Even if the materials and cosmetics are the same, the manufacturing process is the same, and the product is physically indistinguishable from the real product, the financial exchange associated with the purchase is not. Spyderco took the risk and invested in all of the original R&D to make the knife, so they have the right to set the price and receive the profits that it generates. I often wonder what the cutlery market would be like if the Chinese companies that spend so much of their efforts on copying American designs actually redirected that energy to creating competitive designs of their own. Good competition is healthy for the market; theft isn't. It undermines the incentive to develop new and innovative products.
 
Tdhurl1103 said:
Say a Chinese maker who copies Spydeis used the exact materials, and corrected all the design and cosmetic difference noted in so many post. And after close examination a Spydie afi concluded the knife was a spot on match in every detail.....would it be a Spyderco?
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I would say definitely not! It would still be a reproduction as it was not made by the Spyderco manufacturing facilities. It might be a good copy meant to fool you, but a copy nonetheless.
 
Tdhurl1103 said:
Say a Chinese maker who copies Spydeis used the exact materials, and corrected all the design and cosmetic difference noted in so many post. And after close examination a Spydie afi concluded the knife was a spot on match in every detail.....would it be a Spyderco?
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Maybe it depends on what Chinese maker and for what reasons. If profit is the reason, then corners will be cut.
Also, does it have to be Chinese?
 
swarthys said:
Reminds me of a question we debated in an entry-level philosophy class in college: Suppose a wooden sailboat was docked and disassembled piece by piece, then reassembled piece by piece in the next berth. When the re-assembly is complete, is it the same boat?

In answer to your question, I would say no, even if it could be passed off as a legitimate product that would fool even Sal Glesser. If Spyderco didn't make it, it isn't a Spyderco. Even if the materials and cosmetics are the same, the manufacturing process is the same, and the product is physically indistinguishable from the real product, the financial exchange associated with the purchase is not. Spyderco took the risk and invested in all of the original R&D to make the knife, so they have the right to set the price and receive the profits that it generates. I often wonder what the cutlery market would be like if the Chinese companies that spend so much of their efforts on copying American designs actually redirected that energy to creating competitive designs of their own. Good competition is healthy for the market; theft isn't. It undermines the incentive to develop new and innovative products.
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Couldn't have put it better myself. A Spydie is a Spydie is a Spydie!!!!
 
swarthys said:
Reminds me of a question we debated in an entry-level philosophy class in college: Suppose a wooden sailboat was docked and disassembled piece by piece, then reassembled piece by piece in the next berth. When the re-assembly is complete, is it the same boat?

In answer to your question, I would say no, even if it could be passed off as a legitimate product that would fool even Sal Glesser. If Spyderco didn't make it, it isn't a Spyderco. Even if the materials and cosmetics are the same, the manufacturing process is the same, and the product is physically indistinguishable from the real product, the financial exchange associated with the purchase is not. Spyderco took the risk and invested in all of the original R&D to make the knife, so they have the right to set the price and receive the profits that it generates. I often wonder what the cutlery market would be like if the Chinese companies that spend so much of their efforts on copying American designs actually redirected that energy to creating competitive designs of their own. Good competition is healthy for the market; theft isn't. It undermines the incentive to develop new and innovative products.
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I think I might have been in that class. Actually, its funny you mention Chinese competitive designs. Check out Reate knives, some very nice high end knives I've beeen seeing all over Instagram these days. I believe Reate is a Chinese company.

www.reateknives.com/index.asp

Ballenxj said:
I would say definitely not! It would still be a reproduction as it was not made by the Spyderco manufacturing facilities. It might be a good copy meant to fool you, but a copy nonetheless.
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Yup, I agree.

SpeedHoles said:
Maybe it depends on what Chinese maker and for what reasons. If profit is the reason, then corners will be cut.
Also, does it have to be Chinese?
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Taiwan, maybe?

aussiegal said:
A Spydie is a Spydie is a Spydie!!!!
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For sure!
 
Guy in my local area offering a camo PM2 on Craiglist for $100; claims brand new and unused. However, the packaging is the clamshell style, and of course, he bought it on the auction site. Have these ever been released in clear, hard clamshell packaging? I know there have been a few models which were sold this way to certain retailers, but I cannot locate conclusive information on the PM2 packaging.
 
http://www.ebay.com/usr/kriegersknives_novelties

This seller has several fake Spyderco knives for sale and one fake Chris Reeve at the moment (although he's selling that one as a "clone", which is a nicer way of saying "counterfeit").

Unfortunately, it looks like a few people have already purchased some of these fake Spyderco knives, among other fake knives. I've reported these listings but it doesn't seem like eBay will do anything about them.

Feedback From Buyer/price When
Positive feedback rating There was an issue with the knife. Took care of promptly. Honest seller. 3***3
Spyderco Hungarian C173GP Folding Knife, 3.63" Plain Edge SS Blade, G-10 Handle (#301637664872) US $93.00 View Item
Positive feedback rating 1st rate seller, shipped item quickly. b***l
Spyderco Hungarian C173GP Folding Knife, 3.63" Plain Edge SS Blade, G-10 Handle (#301634271408) US $103.50
Positive feedback rating ‼️ 🇺🇸⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️🇺🇸. Perfect super fast delivery ‼️Awesome ‼️ d***d
Spyderco J12 quick open Folding knife (#301638281740) US $38.00
 
I can't post a link because it's at the internet vendor named after a mighty South American river, but there's a seller on that site offering Spydies that he clearly states are "clones" or "replicas". Amazon and Spyderco have been notified, I just wanted to share the info here to spread the word. The vendors name is Sage Liquidations and the manufacturer of the knife is listed as "Replica". It's a fairly new vendor, but it's just kinda disturbing that this can go on in broad daylight!
 
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