Spyderco is dead in Canada

I bought myself a Spyderco Tenacious July 30, 2014, for $50.56CAN. With shipping and handling plus tax, a total of $61.64CAN. Now it costs $71.55CAN without shipping or tax, so much for a budget knife.
 
I'm not sure Sal, Amazon is where I buy my knives from. Supply and demand perhaps? It could be due to CBSA making it difficult for them to get new shipments.
 
Just another reason to visit and vacation in the USA which has everything Canada has and then some, like reasonable knife and gun laws.


 
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I just used the Spyderco Tenacious as an example, I'm not in need of another one. The Delica 4 FFG (Grey) is my goto folder out of all my knives, and I have a bunch of them. The Spyderco's I have are the Persistence, Tenacious and Delica 4, all bought from Amazon Canada (not from 3rd Party Dealers).
 
Some questions...
  1. If certain knives are considered illegal crossing into Canada, then why can I still buy them at stores within Canada?
  2. When is the Government going to outlaw these things entirely?
  3. Does it make sense that laws are only being upheld at random as they cross into Canada?
  4. Why are knife companies and store owners not putting pressure on the Canadian Government if it's resulting in profit loss?
  5. Are Canadian official's just butt hurt about who's in office over in the United States, and trying to ruffle some feathers?
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Dry-cell said:
Some questions...
  1. If certain knives are considered illegal crossing into Canada, then why can I still buy them at stores within Canada?
  2. When is the Government going to outlaw these things entirely?
  3. Does it make sense that laws are only being upheld at random as they cross into Canada?
  4. Why are knife companies and store owners not putting pressure on the Canadian Government if it's resulting in profit loss?
  5. Are Canadian official's just butt hurt about who's in office over in the United States, and trying to ruffle some feathers?
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I'm not a lawyer; this isn't legal adivce.

Having said that:
1a) There hasn't been a change to the laws in Canada regarding knives and what types of knives are considered illegal. The reason you, me, others, and many Canadian retailers are having problems getting knives into the country is because the CBSA has decided to expand their definition of what switchblades/gravity knives are. The result is the current situation; knives that should be legally allowed into the country aren't due to the CBSA. As well, knives that are legally purchased and owned in Canada could possibly face confiscation upon leaving and re-entering the country.

2a) No idea, I haven't heard any developments about the government wanting to alter the laws regarding knives to ban OHO knives altogether.

3a) Simply put, in my opinion the law isn't being upheld at random as knives are trying to enter the country because the CBSA's new definition of prohibited knives is at odds with the actual law as it currently stands. Again, I'm not a lawyer and this isn't legal advice.

4a) Not too sure about particular companies, but I know certain Canadian retailers have voiced their concerns. As well, Benchmade recently partnered with a large Western Canadian knife retailer to offer their Custom Shop knives (minus the assisted Barrage/Mini Barrage) directly to Canadians for the first time. This would make it seem like at the very least, they aren't giving in and trying to continue business as usual to the best of their abilities. As well, an Ontario lawyer was raising funds on GoFundMe for a legal challenge to the CBSA.

5a) No idea.
 
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Dry-cell said:
Some questions...
  1. If certain knives are considered illegal crossing into Canada, then why can I still buy them at stores within Canada?
  2. When is the Government going to outlaw these things entirely?
  3. Does it make sense that laws are only being upheld at random as they cross into Canada?
  4. Why are knife companies and store owners not putting pressure on the Canadian Government if it's resulting in profit loss?
  5. Are Canadian official's just butt hurt about who's in office over in the United States, and trying to ruffle some feathers?
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1) Those knives are currently legal to own, use, and carry.
2) Any attempt at a blanket prohibition would backfire by making millions of law abiding owners instant criminals. No one knows where these are or who has them so any ban would be impossible to enforce and eventually wind up with the wrong person in court and multiple overturned convictions. All they could do would be to close the border to new ones; anything in country would be grandfathered.
3) Don't mix sense and the law.
4) I know Spyderco has made applications to the CBSA regarding this. I"m sure others have too along with large retailers on this side of the border.
5) This appears to be someone within the CBSA trying some backdoor social engineering and this kind of customs inspection predates the current US administration.
 
I've watched the YouTube videos and read the articles on the CBSA website regarding "T. Laplante" and the Kershaw Skyline's awhile back. I've also been reading contradictory stories about current carry laws, and it's frustrating not being sure about something like that. I'm afraid to carry anything other than a slip joint these days.

I've never been stopped before by the Police, as I give them no reason to do so. But it's always in the back of my mind that if they do, there's a good chance they may take something from me which doesn't belong to them. I carry a knife as a tool, not a weapon, and I shouldn't be treated as a criminal if I haven't done anything wrong. Most of the time I just leave my stuff at home, I don't need to worry that way.
 
Dry-cell said:
I've watched the YouTube videos and read the articles on the CBSA website regarding "T. Laplante" and the Kershaw Skyline's awhile back. I've also been reading contradictory stories about current carry laws, and it's frustrating not being sure about something like that. I'm afraid to carry anything other than a slip joint these days.

I've never been stopped before by the Police, as I give them no reason to do so. But it's always in the back of my mind that if they do, there's a good chance they may take something from me which doesn't belong to them. I carry a knife as a tool, not a weapon, and I shouldn't be treated as a criminal if I haven't done anything wrong. Most of the time I just leave my stuff at home, I don't need to worry that way.
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Sorry it’s a fact in Canada that if th cops interact woth you and decide your knife will look better in their pocket they can take it from you and there is very little you can do.

If you politely argue your case well they can always just go “I’m going to confiscate it for now and you can pick it up from the station later when the laws have been better looked into.” Of course when you go to pick it up the evidence will be lost.
 
I have great respect for Law Enforcement officers and their vow to Serve and Protect. But I also fear them, as they have power that the ordinary citizen does not, and that can be a bad thing in the wrong hands.
 
Lapedog said:
Sorry it’s a fact in Canada that if th cops interact woth you and decide your knife will look better in their pocket they can take it from you and there is very little you can do.

If you politely argue your case well they can always just go “I’m going to confiscate it for now and you can pick it up from the station later when the laws have been better looked into.” Of course when you go to pick it up the evidence will be lost.
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You have got to be joking.

These days if you've got a police officer shaking you down for your property you've have every media outlet in Canada foaming at the mouth to publish the story.
 
Lapedog said:
Sorry it’s a fact in Canada that if th cops interact woth you and decide your knife will look better in their pocket they can take it from you and there is very little you can do.

If you politely argue your case well they can always just go “I’m going to confiscate it for now and you can pick it up from the station later when the laws have been better looked into.” Of course when you go to pick it up the evidence will be lost.
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Canada is a big country and just like the USA some parts are worse than others depending on your metric. I wouldn't expect that kind of behavior to be the standard.
 
Danke42 said:
You have got to be joking.

These days if you've got a police officer shaking you down for your property you've have every media outlet in Canada foaming at the mouth to publish the story.
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Jhansenak47 said:
Canada is a big country and just like the USA some parts are worse than others depending on your metric. I wouldn't expect that kind of behavior to be the standard.
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In toronto that’s how it is. They all think there is a law where if the blade is longer than whatever shortest dimension they choose on their hand that means you broke the law and they get to keep your knife.

If it’s shorter than their palm they will try to tell you it’s their pinky.

Ok I’m exaggerating about that, but they do all seem to believe that if the blade is longer than their palm is wide then that means free knife.
 
It's at the officers discretion. If you don't have a good reason for carrying the knife, or if your asked if carrying a weapon, and you say yes, then it will be confiscated. If your carrying a 6" fixed blade in the city, the chances of it being taken from you is pretty damn high. There's no reason for you to be carrying a large knife inside a public building, it comes down to common sense really.
 
Will they meet you at the knife store to OK what you can buy?

Do the police in TO all have the same size palms?
 
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