Spyderman

If I used your logic Matteo this would be a legitimate sales tactic:
Best Buy advertises in a flyer that Sony just released a brand new Television made in Japan. They are selling it for $1000. You go to Best Buy and talk to the Salesman who reaffirms what the flyer says. You pay the $1000 and leave with the TV.

Soon you discover that Sony did release this new model, but it is not made by Sony. It's made in Pakistan and Sony sells it to distributors for $100.

Wanna bet you would be ripping Best Buy a new Butt?

Bottom line is that Masterchef believed he was buying a German Boker and Spyderman thought he was selling a German Boker. Truth is that he sold Masterchef a $25 POS and GOOD FAITH *requires* Spyderman make god on this deal irrespective of whether he intended to hose Masterchhef or not. While I agree Spyderman did nothing intentionally wrong, he as the KNIFE DEALER he is [was at the time] remains responsible for the merchandise he sells. This is one of the risks of business.

Spyderman owes Masterchef another knife and for a knife dealer this is the only right action to take.

And Matteo, until you know Masterchef as well as other here do, do not chalk this up to his indiscretion. He is far above making big deals out of something unless it's a big deal, and believe me it's not about the money...................
 
.... I am from Germany, and I came into this discussion accidentally. I know BA and Josh, I know advertisements by Spyderman, I noticed Tizzybea offering knock-offs as Hubertus knives, etc.

How can somebody, who is in retail-business, offer a taiwan magnum cheapo as a Solingen made First production Run knife, if there is no other marking on the blade than Magnum/Stainless? If a knife has been made in Solingen, You definately will see a 'Solingen made' marking.

From the start there never had been a Solingen made production sample of that Speedmaster. If You find one with a Boker Solingen stamp, it is simply an aftermarket 'customized' one.
I heard rumors, that the small Speedsters with that blade-marking are around here for export purpose, just aftermarket.

Is it OK, to offer a knife with the etching 'MAGNUM Stainless' as a Solingen made First Production Run, even if it's not marked like that in any way?

Correct me, if I did misunderstand all Your posts in that vivid discussion.
 
Originally posted by TheBadGuy
I know price has been mentioned, But Masterchef didn't agree to pay $120+ for a Taiwan auto, he paid that for a German made knife. There lies the problem
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Sorry, he agreed to pay for the knife he saw on BA - the knife had Magnum mark and did not have "Made in Germany" neither "Made in Taiwan" stamps. He knew that he was getting Magnum. I am sure he did not know (at that time) that Magnum was never made in Germany and it is quite clear that Spyderman did not know either. I agree - Spyderman should have known better since he is a dealer. But the buyer can do his homework too and learn about prices. As you know you can usualy find more than one source of particular knife within a few seconds. Was the price asked too high? According to the BA prices - no, but again, he did not have to buy the knife (he wanted to). Now it is too late - I am sure if he asked for refund immediately he would have got it.

David
 
Originally posted by wolfmann601
Spyderman owes Masterchef another knife and for a knife dealer this is the only right action to take.
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IMO he does not owe him anything... right now. The deal should have been settled looong time ago and I am sure Masterchef had a chance to get his money back. I still do not understand why it surfaced after all those months....

David
 
Originally posted by David1967
Sorry, he agreed to pay for the knife he saw on BA - the knife had Magnum mark and did not have "Made in Germany" neither "Made in Taiwan" stamps. He knew that he was getting Magnum. I am sure he did not know (at that time) that Magnum was never made in Germany and it is quite clear that Spyderman did not know either.
David
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Excuse me, but how do we know what the picture Spyderman had on BA was or what it showed? Clearly there is a Magnum advertised there currently that has been mis-labeled by someone to imply it's a Boker.

And can someone show me the proof , other than his self professed innocence, that Spyderman was not aware that this wasn't a Boker knife? I see no proof one way or the other to that "fact".

To me, his silence on this matter now that the facts have come out, speaks volumes about Spyderman/8 Legged.

And YES he does owe Masterchef, at the very LEAST, the apology he committed to. But I do agree this should have been settled a looong time ago. And it sounds like Masterchef did try to get it resolved a looong time ago; only privately, between he and the seller to no avail.
 
Originally posted by dullone
Excuse me, but how do we know what the picture Spyderman had on BA was or what it showed? Clearly there is a Magnum advertised there currently that has been mis-labeled by someone to imply it's a Boker.
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I think it was clear that Masterchef contacted Spyderman after the auction ended and asked for that knife. Also I do not remember that Masterchef would complain about not getting the knife pictured...

And can someone show me the proof , other than his self professed innocence, that Spyderman was not aware that this wasn't a Boker knife? I see no proof one way or the other to that "fact".
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No, there is no proof. You can only judge from other Spyderman auctions - that - as far as I can tell - were accurately described.

To me, his silence on this matter now that the facts have come out, speaks volumes about Spyderman/8 Legged.
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Well, maybe he will be back.... On the other side - to what he should be responding? Posts (some contradicting) made by Masterchef are gone anyway.

And YES he does owe Masterchef, at the very LEAST, the apology he committed to. But I do agree this should have been settled a looong time ago. And it sounds like Masterchef did try to get it resolved a looong time ago; only privately, between he and the seller to no avail.
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It is difficult to respond to something that is no longer available (since M. removed all his responds) but IMO he did not try to get his money back immediately. He said he even liked the knife for a while and just after some time he discovered what happened. He felt so embarased that he did not requested refund (at least that is what I understood from his posts). So if he was too proud to request the refund (this is what I would do), why he is complaining now?

David

PS: Do I sound biassed? I guess I do.. I see it from the sellers side... but I also buy knives and I do not really understand the buyers motives in this case (after such a long time)...
 
In my opinion, Spyderman HAD to have known it was a cheap piece of crap, and not a quality German made Boker. If he didn't, he is definitely in the wrong business. And then, to advertise it as a Boker is just plain wrong. Yes, Masterchef probably should have said something sooner, but he is owed at least an apology.
 
..... simply to say: A buyer should trust a seller. The seller always knows better about an item, which he holds in his hand, than a buyer, who just listens to words. I call that reliability and trust.
In times of worldwide internet-business, these points are crucial, if You want to grow Your business.
Is that, what I understand correctly?

@ David: Do You want us all going around like Mel Gibson in Madmax III with an X-Ray detector, entering Bater-Town, when he got offered clean and fresh water, and the detector made heavy noise, and both are smiling...?

Thanks.
 
Originally posted by dogsoldier
..... simply to say: A buyer should trust a seller. The seller always knows better about an item, which he holds in his hand, than a buyer, who just listens to words. I call that reliability and trust.
In times of worldwide internet-business, these points are crucial, if You want to grow Your business.
Is that, what I understand correctly?
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Yes, you are right.. I too trust the seller that he is going to deliver the knife I ordered (I have no other choice since I buy from different country). But I do my research first so I know the prices, knife materials, manufacturer/custom maker. I request pictures, many pictures if the knife is more expensive. Yes, I trust the seller but to certain extend, I do not trust him blindly...

@ David: Do You want us all going around like Mel Gibson in Madmax III with an X-Ray detector, entering Bater-Town, when he got offered clean and fresh water, and the detector made heavy noise, and both are smiling...?
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Sorry, I have not seen the movie so I have no idea what it is about...

David
 
I see it like this.Even if Spyderman thought they were made in Germany and told people that but they were really made in tiwain then I figure he does owe MC something to make it right.
Om the auction thing,the price is what ever someones willing to pay.I have seen some stuff go on ebay for many times what it is worth.
 
What I don't understand...
Masterchef keeps bringing this baack to the top yet does not reply to anything after 8 legged finally poosted. So...why not? To me it seems morfe a vendetta rather than an attempt to slove a problem. Pretty petty behaviour. I would like to see a rebuttal from Masterchef as to what 8 legged posted how about the rest of you?
 
Originally posted by ritalinkid

I would like to see a rebuttal from Masterchef as to what 8 legged posted how about the rest of you?
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No, I for one don't want to see a rebuttal. This ain't no high school debate.

If we all just dealt with the facts, we wouldn't be where we are with this thread.

Fact: Spyderman sold Masterchef a Magnum knife that he presented as being made in Germany by Boker.

Fact: Magnum knives have never been made in Germay.

Fact: Magnum knives are NOT affiliated with Boker Germany.


Every thing else has been merely the expression of people's feelings, opinions, recollections, speculations, innuendos, rebuttals and some times rather fuzzy logic.
 
As a dealer, SPYDERMAN should have known what he was selling. Yes a person should do some homework when they are looking to purchase a knife, but I would be willing to bet that many people have bought knives on this forum just from the description given in the for sale post.

It also doesn't matter a darn if this happened last week, last month or a year ago or more. I did not realize that there was what, say a six month or maybe a year statute of limitations on something like this. How long should a person have to bring something like this up? I would like to know, just incase something like this happens to me.

David, I doubt that you mean this, but it sounds like you are saying that as long as a seller gets away with conning someone for more than a certain length of time then he/she should not be held accountable.
 
Every thing else has been merely the expression of people's feelings, opinions, recollections, speculations, innuendos, rebuttals and some times rather fuzzy logic.
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It's pathetic, but if some newbie had come here in the gb&u carping about getting taken, over a year ago, just like this, this thread would have died quite some time ago, with the basic sentiment being, "stick around here and learn, and be more careful next time". Further, quite a few would be demanding to know why said newbie would wait a year before trying to do something about it...that would be highly suspicious itself, for most of you.

But, since it's a senior member and therefore above reproach, it's all the dealers fault, the buyer does not need to educate themselves, caveat emptor means squat, and never mind the numerous inconsistencies and backpeddling from the buyer, right?

And that's just the way quite a few of you people like it, especially masterchef. He said so right in this very thread, and then of course wiped it out soon after.

I have gotten emails from ppl saying they have kept quiet about being outright screwed or at best being dealt with very poorly, by "senior" members here, for this very reason. That's pathetic, and says quite a bit about the nasty little herd mentality that seems to be festering around here, all centered around some losers post count, or lack thereof.

You can call it what you want, but it was quite clear masterchef was not being completely honest, before he wiped all his posts out. The mental gymnastics required to support that kind of crap, all the while talking about respect and honor, is just beyond me.


You buy something from me, and wait a couple of months to complain about it, and then wait over a year to demand money back? No matter how much integrity I have, that is just not gonna work.
I have never screwed anyone, anywhere, at any time, but that's just lame.

Yeah, if it was some newbie, this whole thread would read much different. Really something to be proud of there, that's for sure.
 
Mike, you throw that line "I have gotten E-mails" every time you try to push your crap about 'piling on'. The reality is that there are very few here who would waste bandwith E-mailing you to voice their concerns about what happens on BFC. Your sense of "self-importance" is legendary in YOUR OWN MIND.

DO NOT speak for me and tell me what I would say if this happened to a Newbie!!!

I would have been upset if it even happened to you!!!:p

And Masterchef remains one of the most respected members on BFC and you remain one of the most obnoxious!!!
 
You buy something from me, and wait a couple of months to complain about it, and then wait over a year to demand money back? No matter how much integrity I have, that is just not gonna work.
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Funny when I used to deal, if you brought something from you could send it back any time in the same condition I sold it for a full refund. I had one person do that. He sent the knife back, I sent him a check no questions asked and was able to resell the knife at a higher margin since it had gone up since he purchased it.

Just sold several thousand dollars of the last of my Case Classic inventory to a customer 2 weeks ago. He got a good deal compared to what they are going for on ebay and he got the same offer on returns. When you sell something you either represent your wares honestly or you don't. If you make a mistake in a description, you correct it or you don't. There are plenty of folks with track records in this field to trust out there. There is no in between. There are plenty of knife dealers and makers out there who stand by what they say about a knife and will do so as long as they are able to.

I have a hard time understanding why someone would write Mike concering bad deals, when the mods here are more than willing and able to help out if a bad situation arises.
 
Originally posted by wolfmann601
Mike, you throw that line "I have gotten E-mails" every time you try to push your crap about 'piling on'. The reality is that there are very few here who would waste bandwith E-mailing you to voice their concerns about what happens on BFC. Your sense of "self-importance" is legendary in YOUR OWN MIND
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Self importance has nothing to do with it moron.
I just happen to be one of the few people who are not piling on some poor SOB, and someone sends off an email...get it?
Take one of those 2X4's you like so much, and put it to good use. How's that for reality?

If they want to speak up, I'm sure they will. If they dont', matters not to me.
Either way, that's exactly the way it is, and it's clear to see.

And what's more, I don't think I have ever mentioned private emails sent to me ever. Lord, if I mentioned it every time you senior schmuck's piled on newbie, and it's always pretty much the same ppl doing it, it would be all over this forum and several others.
 
Originally posted by Bastid
I have a hard time understanding why someone would write Mike concering bad deals, when the mods here are more than willing and able to help out if a bad situation arises.
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What is so hard to understand? They don't speak up because they are newer, and the people they have a problem with are senior? Get it?
Help out how, exactly? If it's just up to the mods, like you are implying, there's no need of GB&U forum at all, and these kinds of threads should not be here.

Someone has a problem, they tell the mods, the mods solve it, and that's it.

Except that's not how it works, obviously.
 
Originally posted by mikemck


Except that's not how it works, obviously.
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That's right they just E-mail Mikemck the resident Hero of all BFC newbies. Why I bet he got 25000 E-mails today!!:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

and using a good 2X4 on the fodder you spew would be enviornmentally wasteful. *PLEASE*, you are more worthy of a pine tooth-pick. Legends in their own mind do not get my lumber.

A person who sells knives for a livlihood cannot claim ignorance when he purports the product to be German when it turns out not to be. He told Masterchef it was a German Boker and it's *far* from it.

Spyderman's actions here make it clear to me he tok Masterchef to the cleaners.

And Mikemck since it appears to be the consensus of us Senior Schmucks that Masterchef was screwed, I declare it so to be. How's that for piling on?

Now run to Whine and Cheese and rescue some other Newbie. This one has been found guilty!!:p :p
 
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