Spyderman

If it said Magnum on the blade it would have never been a hundred dollar or more knife. The Magnum brand has always been Boker's inexpensive line. If it was a first production expensive knife it would have had Boker etched on the blade.
 
I just got off the phone with Boker. According to the person that I talked to there was never a special first run of the knife in question. There was never a version that was made in Germany and it has always been a twenty five dollar knife.
 
I just received this email from Boker.

Hello,

Magnum is the name brand of a different line of knives we import, and is not affiliated with the Boker name. We import Magnum knives from the Far East - which explains the price difference. There has been confusion on this issue, mainly because the Magnum line is imported and sold by Boker - but Magnum knives are not manufactured by Boker. Hope this helps - let me know if I can be of further assistance!

Best regards,

Noelle
Sales Support
BOKER USA, INC.

So it looks like Magnum don't have anything to bo with Boker at all other than that they are both distributed by the same company.
 
Originally posted by 8 LEGGED FREAK
My first post in this thread covers all of this.
THIS WAS APRIL 2002 .
BUT...................

If someone can tell me that none of these were EVER made in Germany, never at all, and know that for an utmost FACT, then I will know that I was misled and in turn unknowingly misled Masterchef, and a whole lotta other people too.

It does not and will not change what happened, and it will not affect the price of what they were then and what they are now either.

When that day comes that that is revealed I will return here and publicly apologize to Masterchef for misleading him, but NEVER ripping him off.
Any trust that if he was misled, so was I, and that I would NEVER intentionally mislead anyone in my auctions or anywhere else.

Until then I am done here. There is nothing more I can say about what I have already said. I thought I laid it out simple and plain in my very first post here.

At this point, people can believe what I say, what Masterchef says, or neither one of us.

Thanks again to everyone who has given me a chance and hearing me out.

CIAO!
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Well it looks like apology time. Always a Taiwan import.

And I would argue that had it been accurately identified as such, and not misrepresented as German, the price would have been different when this all went down.

But it looks like Masterchef will settle for an apology.

It's over.
 
I got a similar response from Boker when I asked if the first run of Magnum Speedlocks were made in Germany:

"No - all Magnum knives are manufactured in the Far East, and always have been. The line of knives you are referring to were designed only by a man named Dietmar Pohl, who also designs knives for Boker - but that is where the connection ends. Additionally, Boker USA is the importer and distributor for Magnum knives, so that also causes some confusion, but Boker and Magnum are not affiliated with one another beyond that. Hope this helps - please let me know if I can be of further assistance!"

However, not that it's worth anything, in my opinion I believe this is all a case of a misunderstanding, not a planned deception by 8 legged freak.
 
I just recieved this email from Boker in response to my inquiry:


"Hello,

There has been some confusion on this issue! The knife you are referring to was designed by a man named Dietmar Pohl, who also designs knives for Boker. That's basically where the connection ends. These knives are manufactured in Taiwan, under the Magnum name, which is not affiliated with Boker. There is additional confusion because Boker USA is the importer and distributor of Magnum knives - so it is often assumed that Boker and Magnum are one and the same; but they are not. Hope this helps - let me know if I can be of further assistance!

Best regards,

Noelle
Sales Support
BOKER USA, INC.
 
So the way I understand it masterchef has been taken although not by intent.So is there anyway this can now be worked out to make both happy.
I think I would deal with either of these guys.Both seem to be good people,its just that a missunderstanding got way out of hand.
 
Everyone has been saying that it appears that there was no intent on SPYDERMAN's part to deceive masterchef. This does not appear to be the case to me. Maybe I have misunderstood what SPYDERMAN has been saying here, but as I read it he has stated that what he got was a first run of these knives that were much higher priced than what they later dropped to. According to Boker there never was a high priced first run of these knives. It was always a $25.00 knife, right from day one. He also seems to have lead people to believe this was a Boker knife whan Magnum were never made by Boker.

You can say that he did this because he didn't have the right information himself when he sold these knives, but as the seller it was his responsibilty to know these things. Also, if this was always a $25.00 knife, then he knew darn well what he paid for them. When you say that a knives were sold for what people were willing to pay for them, this is only the case because pwople were told that they were getting German made Boker knives. If they had know they were getting Taiwanese made none Boker knives I doubt they would have been happy paying up to $175.00 for them.

Ignorance is no excuse for misrepresenting something. If SPYDERMAN still thinks that what he did was right in this, then in my opinion he has a distinct lack of ethics. He may have made a mistake, but now that he knows that a mistake was made he should be willing to rectify the situation.
 
Keith, you sound sure that Spyderman paid $25 apiece for these. If they were represented as something different to him, maybe he paid more than that. We don't know.

Yes, ethics comes into play. To a point. Let's say that I bought a bunch of these for $50 and sold one to Masterchef. We mutually discover that they are not in fact what we thought. I would be willing to give it to him for what I paid for it..... BUT....

Were it the other way around and I wanted a knife from Masterchef, offered him $100 bux for it, got it, liked it, and thought I got a good knife for my money, then I don't think I'd go so far as to say Masterchef ripped me off. I got a knife for $100 and thought I got my money's worth. End of story. Sure, if I found out that they were going for $75 less than I paid, well let's just say this wouldn't be the first time I bought a knife then saw an identical one for way less. And if M/C told me he thought it was worth it, I'd believe him.

I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm sure M/C is disappointed. I don't know Spyderman, but I don't have any reason to think this went down other than described by him. I myself wouldn't have researched whether or not Boker actually made any of these in Germany either. I am disappointed whenever I see that someone isn't happy over a transaction. It really is a no win situation when it comes to this.

I only have a couple of points, and I think they are valid. Yes, the seller has a responsibility to represent the product to the best of his knowledge. The buyer also has some responsibility to see that he's getting what he wants. And this final point. If you pay a certain amount for a piece and think you got your money's worth, even if you find one cheaper down the road, you still have to look back and remember that you got your money's worth at the time.

Not that any of this will help now, but hopefully down the road we can all use some of this as a learning experience.
 
Even if Spyderman paid alot for these, he is the DEALER and his duty of care is higher than his buyers or the average knife seller. Through his actions on BA, Spyderman IS a knife dealer and should have known what he was selling.

In any event, Mike is far to honest and nice a guy to be taken like this and in any discussion concerning honesty, integrity and credibility in which Masterchef's is called into question he shall always prevail in my eyes.

Mikemck can call this 'piling on' but I call it FRIENDSHIP
 
As Ira says is true. It doesn't matter if SPYDERMAN paid $100.00 each for these knives. It is up to him to make things right with the people that have bought from him. He can then go after the company that overcharged him. His ethics should have nothing to do with the fact that he had been shafted.

Another thing, I have been in retail for over thirty years. I know the accurate cost of everything I sell. These knives were available from Boker USA and it would have been very easy to find out what the retail price was. Since this has always been a $25.00 knife, I would think that due diligence would have let SPYDERMAN know that he was being hosed.

To come here and say that as far as he is concerned he did nothing wrong because people only paid what they were willing to pay, is not right in my opinion.
 
These "Magnum" brand knives must be popular to misrepresent as Bokers over at BA. Currently there is a dealer selling these as "by Boker" and goes so far as to picture one next to a box that has clearly had the Magnum name overlabeled with a label that reads Boker & Magnum as well as having Boker's Tree Brand logo on it!

I guess it's Buyer Beware if you buy a knife there. :mad:
 
To come here and say that as far as he is concerned he did nothing wrong because people only paid what they were willing to pay, is not right in my opinion
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What exactly do you think that our (USA, I know your from Canada) free market system is based on? The market is driven by supply and demand. At the time the free market demanded a price of $125 for that knife. Since then the demand has dropped, and so the price. You must be a bleeding heart liberal.
 
I know price has been mentioned, But Masterchef didn't agree to pay $120+ for a Taiwan auto, he paid that for a German made knife. There lies the problem
 
Originally posted by Matteo Escobar
What exactly do you think that our (USA, I know your from Canada) free market system is based on? The market is driven by supply and demand. At the time the free market demanded a price of $125 for that knife. Since then the demand has dropped, and so the price. You must be a bleeding heart liberal.
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Have you bothered to read this thread? Obviously not! This knife never had a free market value of $125.00. It was always available from Boker USA for $25.00. The only place it had a value of $125.00 was if you bought it from SPYDERMAN.

No I am not a bleeding heart liberal, but I am intelligent enough to read a thread before I make a comment. You should give it a try.

Edited to add: The only reason that people were willing to pay $125.00 or more for this knife was because it was being represented as being a German made Boker, when it was neither German made or a Boker. I wonder if it had not been misrepresented if people would have jumped at paying $125.00 plus for a made in Taiwan knife?
 
Oh, I've read the entire thread. And according to you and Boker it was always a $25 knife. I don't know about you but I would do a little research on the value of a knife befor I paid 5x too much for it. People were paying that much at the time for that knife. Shame on the buyer for not doing his homework and jumping on the bandwagon. He should eat the loss, which he readily admits is embarassing and learn from it. If you're dumb enough to buy a piece of $hit for an incredibly inflated price that's you own fault. Once again, there was never any discrepency on the original price (according to you) so MC could have easily found out the real price.
 
Originally posted by Matteo Escobar
Oh, I've read the entire thread. And according to you and Boker it was always a $25 knife. I don't know about you but I would do a little research on the value of a knife befor I paid 5x too much for it. People were paying that much at the time for that knife. Shame on the buyer for not doing his homework and jumping on the bandwagon. He should eat the loss, which he readily admits is embarassing and learn from it. If you're dumb enough to buy a piece of $hit for an incredibly inflated price that's you own fault. Once again, there was never any discrepency on the original price (according to you) so MC could have easily found out the real price.
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That post tells me a lot about you. You think that being taken is the fault of people that are conned and deceived because they were not intelligent enough to check before purchasing. You also seem to think that there is nothing wrong in misrepresenting a product and if people are stupid enough to fall for it it is their own darn fault. If you truely believe that then I guess people should be very careful buying a knife from you.
 
Keith,
No, that post was made in context of everything else that has been posted on this thread including my own posts. Of course I despise cheaters and liars, and I steer a wide berth of them. In this particular case that I have commented on I think it's pretty clear that SPYDERMAN did not intentionally decieve MC. So if it has been decidede that neither side has been intentionally dishonest, the burden falls on the accuser. I firmly beleive that this thread should never have been started, and was a rare case of bad judgement by MC. However as it all unfolded I beleive that SPYDERMAN has been completely honest, wearase MC has been cought up in multiple snags. You can't deny that. So in the context of both parties beleiving that they are being honest, I think that the buyer could do a 2 minute google search and safeguard his own ass. Instead he drags this guys name into the mud almost 2 YEARS LATER!!
Going back to the accusation that I haven't read this thread I do remember one thing in particular. SPYDERMAN had 0 negative feedback on BA in 2 years before this thread, including his deal with MC which obviously went down different than MC would have you believe. Just reread the thread that SPYDERMAN posted.
 
i agree with kieth, and dont see what a lot of ya folks dont understand, the man thought he was buying a GERMAN boker and instead got a $25 MSRP POS from china or somewhere, the guy that sold it misrepresented it, and should make ammends imho. anyone would be pissed offthey thought they were buying a german boker and got this thing, i cant see what the disagreemnent is about.

as far as waiting so long, i dont understand why wait till now to bring it up, i woulda got into it w/the guy w/in hours of this happening. but for whatever reason he did, but, hey he hasnt been dishonest about anything, so what?

the guy who sold it should at least say "sorry" him saying he did nothing wrong/doesnt understand makes no sense to me.

greg
 
Matteo, the owner of BA (josh), has a habit of removing negative feedback on sellers who do a lot of business, and pay him a lot of commissions. Tizzybea who is the worst seller of crap on BA has had lots of negative feedback removed within hours of posting. The lack of negative feedback on Spyderman does not mean there wasnt any. There are a lot of strange practices on BA, it pays to be careful when doing business there.
 
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