Spyfanman - Where is the birthday card (certificate of Authenticity)? the Conclusion

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Esav Benyamin said:
QFT.



This lynch mob mentality has gotten out of hand. A comment like this is absolutely unacceptable. This is not Whine & Cheese. Too many of you are having too much fun and have gotten self-righteous about it, at that.

Constant calls for a ban? That's not justified by the length of this drama, it requires actual evidence of theft. That evidence may be buried in this steaming mound of bovine excrement, but I'm not up to digging for it.

FEEDBACK is here to reveal the unreliable, and it seems you've done that. If you expect more, I will need clear evidence.
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Esav Benyamin said:
Just to make it clear, what I need to see to ban a seller/trader/buyer is theft. At the end of the transaction, if one member ends up with the money and the goods, he's a thief. If at the end, one gets the money back and the other regains the goods, there may have been an attempt at theft, but FEEDBACK will tell you if you want to deal with either member yourselves.

If we go around banning incompetent sellers/traders/buyers, we would decimate the Exchange. Anybody can have a bad day. We don't need witch hunts for the fun of it. Be very suspicious when threads run on and on repetitiously. Be suspicious of posters who run on in black walls of text. Real problems are not complicated.
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Thank you Sir.
 
Don't thank me too soon.

Did you pay Dino his money or did PayPal pay him? If PayPal paid him, did they take the money from your account or did they cover it under Buyer Protection, with you keeping what Dino paid you and leaving PP holding the bag?
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Don't thank me too soon.

Did you pay Dino his money or did PayPal pay him? If PayPal paid him, did they take the money from your account or did they cover it under Buyer Protection, with you keeping what Dino paid you and leaving PP holding the bag?
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Yes, I made the call to Paypal on the 3rd of Feb to initiate a plead to Paypal to be in favor of Dino, the buyer. This was based on advice from other forum members on how to make the situation right and not wait till the usual 30-day time frame for them to make a decision whereby the decision could have gone for either party. As soon as Dino filed the claim the money was already withdrawn from my Paypal account and set aside in Paypal's hands. Initially, when I made that phone call my intention was to cancel the claim altogether and then refund him his money directly then and there. Then have him ship the knife to me. I trusted that he would but Paypal has it so he must send me the knife back first so the seller can inspect it and prove he received it. This is my first claim and I guess it is just how they do things once a claim has begun. I believe it is on its way now so as soon as I receive it and inspect that everything is as it was when I shipped it to him, I will gladly log in and follow the steps so Paypal can release the funds to him. I actually get the short end of the stick here as he originally sent me $575 total and then PP takes out their fees. So my net was much less. Looks like I will be still paying those Paypal fees and Dino gets his full money back. Either way, just happy this is almost over and hopefully we can both move on to better things having learned a thing or two.
 
SPYfanman said:
it to him, I will gladly log in and follow the steps so Paypal can release the funds to him. I actually get the short end of the stick here as he originally sent me $575 total and then PP takes out their fees. So my net was much less. Looks like I will be still paying those Paypal fees and Dino gets his full money back. Either way, just happy this is almost over and hopefully we can both move on to better things having learned a thing or two.
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Actually Dino had to pay the return shipping which was probably around $15-$20 bucks. So you both ended up with the short end of the stick because of the misrepresented sales thread.
 
SPYfanman said:
Yes, I made the call to Paypal on the 3rd of Feb to initiate a plead to Paypal to be in favor of Dino, the buyer. This was based on advice from other forum members on how to make the situation right and not wait till the usual 30-day time frame for them to make a decision whereby the decision could have gone for either party. As soon as Dino filed the claim the money was already withdrawn from my Paypal account and set aside in Paypal's hands. Initially, when I made that phone call my intention was to cancel the claim altogether and then refund him his money directly then and there. Then have him ship the knife to me. I trusted that he would but Paypal has it so he must send me the knife back first so the seller can inspect it and prove he received it. This is my first claim and I guess it is just how they do things once a claim has begun. I believe it is on its way now so as soon as I receive it and inspect that everything is as it was when I shipped it to him, I will gladly log in and follow the steps so Paypal can release the funds to him. I actually get the short end of the stick here as he originally sent me $575 total and then PP takes out their fees. So my net was much less. Looks like I will be still paying those Paypal fees and Dino gets his full money back. Either way, just happy this is almost over and hopefully we can both move on to better things having learned a thing or two.
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And so it begins.


Leadfoot
 
Hello Dino Kalaitzidis,

After carefully reviewing your case, we've determined that you'll be
eligible for a refund (including handling and shipping) once you've
returned the merchandise to the seller.



Once you have returned the merchandise, you will be covered under PayPal
Buyer Protection and eligible to receive a full refund.


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Transaction Details
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Seller's Name: Ryan Posey
Seller's Email: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Seller's Transaction ID: 89Y75191B5055393J

Transaction Date: Jan 17, 2012
Transaction Amount: -$575.00 USD
Your Transaction ID: 07L767579J531984C
Case Number: PP-001-634-866-309

Buyer's Transaction ID: 07L767579J531984C




-----------------------------------
What To Do Next
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Please ship the items listed as "Granted" below back to the seller. The
items should be in their original condition and you are responsible for
shipping and handling costs.

Off Ebay: Transaction
Outcome: granted

Seller's address:
PO Box xxx
Bass Lake, CA 93604
United States

Once you've shipped the item(s), please log in to your PayPal account and
visit the Resolution Center to provide online tracking information for the
package.

This tracking information is necessary because it confirms that the package
was delivered.

If the transaction was $250.00 USD or more, we require that you ask the
seller to sign for the package when it is received.

-----------------------------------
Deadline: 10 days
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As said prior; this SPY numbnut is just playing games at this point. His constant rebutals are him having some fun by getting a rise out out folks. It may not have started that way, but once he realized his ship was sunk > his sick mind tried to find away to continue his games. I wouldn't bother with him further; just let Dino post end results.
 
SPYfanman said:
Thank you Sir.
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You got away with one, SPY. Congrats.

The good members of this forum that are here pursuing a ban for your lieing and scamming a** have been classified as a self-righteous lynch mob on a witch hunt while your no-good for-nothing lowlife has been categorized as a seller who had a "bad day". Touche, my friend, I guess you earned it with all your bs filled creative essays. Maybe you really are the victim in all this. Again, congratulations.

My parting words from this thread is that I hope Dino will somehow edit his feedback comments about you to include a reference to the two threads that more than make you look like the douchebag that I believe you to be. Maybe the next sucker thinking of doing business with you will be lucky enough to see the negative feedback from Dino and do a search for these threads.
 
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There were many members (outside of Dino and Spy) who posted mutiple "walls of black text" in this thread. There were also as many that posted, what I like to call, "drive-by posts" (short or one-liner posts). Unless one has the innate ability and/or assigns themselves 'extra special powers' to discern that which should be "suspect" and those that shouldn't be considered as such, I'd prefer to take each one at face value. As was noted earlier in the decision and solid reasoning offered in not outwardly banning Spy, the same should apply to any posting member, whether offering short, long, single or mutiple posts. Unless there's solid reasoning to question one's intentions and/or proof that one's post is only made to either inflame or incite others, there would seem little if any basis to be suspicious of any members posts, much less an advisory to do so. I would prefer not to be suspicious of anyone, including their postings, if at all possible.

I would suggest that members who post multiple "black walls of text" in the same thread oftentimes do so in an attempt to better clarify previous statements that they may have made in earlier posts........understandable and I can't see how this would adversley affect any other member. Those that also post multiple "black walls of text" do so, IMHO, as new and different facts surface in regards to the substance of the thread and want to make new and/or further comments about how they view this new information. Again.........understandable and doesn't cost anyone but a bit of time in reading it and only if they themselves, choose to.
 
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I find it odd, but I have seen it on every forum I have ever been a member (two of which as a Moderator) in any thread other than "Do K&N air filters really work or "How sharp is sharp enough" folks find it "objectionable" that people - Post.
That IS what we do. We don't; shoot pool,play cards,drink beer, sit in a pew or arm wrestle.
We post.
Our points of view, our opinions, solutions, etc.
Some do so passionately, some with endless verbosity and some with brevity.
It is a Forum, we post.
This issue is all but resolved, do some object to how and why it happened? Yes.
I don't begrudge anyone a "Black Wall of Prose" If that is what they want to do - so be it. Somebody objects to that - don't read it.
The Mods have their point of view and they are charged with Mod-er-ating the tone, tenor and dialog - tougher job than many may think.
Without posts there would be no threads, without threads there would be no forum and without the Forum.....
So, IMO post to the best of ones ability. Try and contribute something IF that is possible and above all - conduct ones self as IF a member of a community because in this day and age - that is what this is.
Just my $.02 directed at no one in particular.
 
It ain't over until the fat lady sings and she hasn't sung yet. Have some faith in the objectiveness of the Moderators and lets wait to hear the final verdict.



RWS said:
You got away with one, SPY. Congrats.

The good members of this forum that are here pursuing a ban for your lieing and scamming a** have been classified as a self-righteous lynch mob on a witch hunt while your no-good for-nothing lowlife has been categorized as a seller who had a "bad day". Touche, my friend, I guess you earned it with all your bs filled creative essays. Maybe you really are the victim in all this. Again, congratulations.

My parting words from this thread is that I hope Dino will somehow edit his feedback comments about you to include a reference to the two threads that more than make you look like the douchebag that I believe you to be. Maybe the next sucker thinking of doing business with you will be lucky enough to see the negative feedback from Dino and do a search for these threads.
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I doubt he'll be banned, especially in you get your $$$ back. Ryan Myrda stole over $300 from me and got away with it and he's still a member. We'll have to settle for having our threads here in GB&U to warn any future potential victims. Hopefully people will search before they send off their money.
 
listen to what Esav Benyamin said it's in the details (Feedback Given), this will follow him for the rest of his stay here, everything one needs to know about Mr. Ryan Posey aka SPYfanman is there( in the original G/B and Ugly thread). I trust and believe the Moderators know exactly what they're doing.



Lone_Wolfe said:
I doubt he'll be banned, especially in you get your $$$ back. Ryan Myrda stole over $300 from me and got away with it and he's still a member. We'll have to settle for having our threads here in GB&U to warn any future potential victims. Hopefully people will search before they send off their money.
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dinokay said:
listen to what Esav Benyamin said it's in the details (Feedback Given), this will follow him for the rest of his stay here, everything one needs to know about Mr. Ryan Posey aka SPYfanman is there. I have Faith in the Moderators.
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Yeah, I think I just said the same thing.
 
dinokay said:
It ain't over until the fat lady sings and she hasn't sung yet. Have some faith in the objectiveness of the Moderators and lets wait to hear the final verdict.
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Thanks, Dino.

I think we all know that the moderators have an extremely difficult job here and most of them are outstanding people. IMO, Esav is truly one of the best. As much as it pisses me off that SPY may get off the hook here (what a zero this guy is imo), I think Esav is probably making the right call here despite my frustration toward it.

I seriously doubt that I could be a mod here because I am so passionate about certain things...I despise thieves and liars. People whom I perceive as a thief or a con-artist, like SPY, would be banned immediately. However, there's probably a drawback to having such a prejudice. Because of my extreme prejudice, I might accidentally misinterpret an event and then jump the gun and ban someone who didn't deserve being banned.

Even though I feel SPY deserves a plank walk, perhaps it's best he hang around to suffer the consequences of being someone in a place where no one will ever trust him again.
 
dinokay said:
listen to what Esav Benyamin said it's in the details (Feedback Given), this will follow him for the rest of his stay here, everything one needs to know about Mr. Ryan Posey aka SPYfanman is there( in the original G/B and Ugly thread). I trust and believe the Moderators know exactly what they're doing.
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This pos SPY also dinged you over this debacle, which was soley 100% his fault, in your Feedback. You now have a negative feedback. I hope your reputation doesn't suffer the same fate as this boob's.
 
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I seriously doubt that I could be a mod here because I am so passionate about certain things...I despise thieves and liars. People whom I perceive as a thief or a con-artist, like SPY, would be banned immediately. However, there's probably a drawback to having such a prejudice. Because of my extreme prejudice, I might accidentally misinterpret an event and then jump the gun and ban someone who didn't deserve being banned.

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You're not the only one, I think you're in lots of good company. If I were a mod I'd ban 3 that have threads about them right now on the first page on GB&U alone. Yes, the OP of this thread is one of that elite number.


I really hope anyone who sees the ding in dinokay's feedback will take the time to look around and see how bogus it is.
 
Your complicating things again, just wait for all the evidence to come in and have a little Faith in the Gatekeepers. No matter what happens here I think we can all agree "What comes around eventually goes around"



rickc71 said:
I think the only way to settle this would be for SPYfanman and dinokay to each contact Esav and set up a time frame to allow him direct access to your paypal accounts. If he is willing to act as an arbitrator in this dispute,he will be able to verify the validity of statements made here.

SPY contends that the money for the refund is ultimately coming from his account,be it funds already in his PP account or from his linked bank account.Dino has provided email copy that states PP is covering the refund under the Buyer Protection Policy. Easy enough to change your passwords to a temporary one and set up a time frame for Esav to access your accounts and review the evidence. Once this is done,change your passwords back and Esav will have the concrete evidence necessary to make a decision with the full weight of facts behind it. Were I one of the parties involved here,I would have no problem allowing a highly respected moderator and independent party temporary access to this information and would abide by their decision.

I think we can all agree Esav has nothing to gain here other than the truth,and a conclusion to this situation. I also think we would all unhesitatingly accept his decision in this matter knowing he had based that decision on review of the actual account info and emails from PP,not on what has been posted here.
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Of the inordinate number of comments in this entire saga, I found this one particularly telling: "1) Seller lists the item to the best of his ability and believes it is an honest listing."

An experienced seller, whether on an enthusiasts forum or on the bay, would most certainly realize the protocols associated with accurately listing an item's condition. ANY type of alteration of original parts would automatically make the previously "new" item either "used" or "like new", irrespective of the quality of the replacement parts. Neglecting to mention alterations, cosmetic or otherwise, is disingenuous at best, purposefully dishonest at most. From my perspective, the seller's claim that he did not realize such replacement of original parts would render his listed item something less than the advertised "new" is without merit, and wholly unbelievable.

Selling an item as "new", with no mention of alterations or replacement parts, is a scam ... end of story. Imagine this situation playing out at a car dealership, where a "new" vehicle is found out to have replacement fenders, bumpers, etc. soon after being sold. --> Instant lawsuit for fraud.
 
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