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Spyfanman - Where is the birthday card (certificate of Authenticity)? the Conclusion
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I don't use Paypal so please correct this presumption if it's wrong, but generally speaking in the case the someone doesn't have enough money in his PP account to cover the refund then won't his account will reflect a negative balance and he'll owe PP that balance since they made good on the claim? If he ever wanted to use that PP account again he'd have to pay up, right? Of course given the type of person we seem to be dealing with I imagine he'll just open up another account under another name and PP will eventually have to sell the original one off to a collection agency.
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Well, just for grins, lets play this "scammer" scenario out to its full capacity. Let's just suppose for the sake of argument I am a real, true scammer despite the fact there is no proven evidence and past history which show otherwise. First I say to all who doubt, put your money where your mouth is. In this case, put your actions where your mouth is. Take the challenge and let's do a transaction, make a purchase from me. If your not satisfied at the end of the trans. you can leave a Negative feedback. But be honest and comply with the rules policy to a T in so that if indeed the transaction leaves you with a positive taste in your mouth, then leave a Positive, etc. Surely, TWO Negative feedbacks would be more indicative of a true scammer more than one Negative, would they not? Wouldn't it be worth risking a one-time sum of money to prove more certainly a real scammer and might have a chance to have them banned entirely from the forum?
Well, one could say he is just setting it up for a good kill. Two, three, maybe even four perfectly Positive transactions and BAM! he will hit some unsuspecting poor sucker hard meanwhile by now having cleared his name. Hmm....well if that is the case, you might want to include the most recent transaction which took place AFTER the transaction with Mr. Kalandtis, involving a "BNIB" Sage 1 sold to a one Mr. 1623. So now, not only am I a scammer/ swindler but a "selective" scammer/ swindler. Those by far are the most notorious and deadly. They purposely prey upon the newer members who lack experience with transactions who are willing to risk big money to get what they believe is their 'holy grail'. Wait a minute though, wouldn't by nature the attempted scam of Mr. Kalandtis negate the suggestion that indeed we are dealing with a selective, experienced scammer here? Afterall, why select a victim who is a longtime member, with no doubt much tenure amongst the forum members as well and many transactions under his belt? Mistake 1. Then he leaves the option of buying as Paypal gift OR regular. But even the possibility should the buyer choose the regular option could only mean one thing - Accountability! Mistake 2 Oh no, that is a big no-no in the scammer's bible. Even the most novice of scammers would understand that. Afterall, that means all of one's own personal information, bank accounts, credit cards, etc. is linked to the third party. How can a scammer suspect to make a good living giving victims (oops!) I mean buyers the option to stake claims whereby not only voiding the transactions but loosing all the money which was meant to be stolen in the first place. Mistake 3 Choosing a victim, I mean buyer, with a long-standing reputation who no doubt could very well, just maybe call out that person and expose the scammer for who he really is - a multi-complex sociopath dumped into the same cateagory as a one Miss Casey Anythony, who systematically devised a plan and then when it failed he was even more happy to be labeled a swindler! It is possible the title "swindler" is much more coveted than the title of "scammer" within the underground black market.
Hmm....now maybe I really am the person listed above and have now been fully exposed based on heresay instead of facts. Maybe I am a true swindler in every sense of the word, disguised as an honest seller building "street cred" with Postive feedback ratings over a period of one year waiting and waiting for just the right moment to make the move and sink the teeth in. Mmmmmm
Or, perhaps, this isn't the case at all. Maybe I am just another forum member, an honest seller who enjoys what most do - the simple act of buying and selling and sharing common interest in love for knives. But afterall, what do I know, I'm just a swindler (awheemm, seller).
Well, one could say he is just setting it up for a good kill. Two, three, maybe even four perfectly Positive transactions and BAM! he will hit some unsuspecting poor sucker hard meanwhile by now having cleared his name. Hmm....well if that is the case, you might want to include the most recent transaction which took place AFTER the transaction with Mr. Kalandtis, involving a "BNIB" Sage 1 sold to a one Mr. 1623. So now, not only am I a scammer/ swindler but a "selective" scammer/ swindler. Those by far are the most notorious and deadly. They purposely prey upon the newer members who lack experience with transactions who are willing to risk big money to get what they believe is their 'holy grail'. Wait a minute though, wouldn't by nature the attempted scam of Mr. Kalandtis negate the suggestion that indeed we are dealing with a selective, experienced scammer here? Afterall, why select a victim who is a longtime member, with no doubt much tenure amongst the forum members as well and many transactions under his belt? Mistake 1. Then he leaves the option of buying as Paypal gift OR regular. But even the possibility should the buyer choose the regular option could only mean one thing - Accountability! Mistake 2 Oh no, that is a big no-no in the scammer's bible. Even the most novice of scammers would understand that. Afterall, that means all of one's own personal information, bank accounts, credit cards, etc. is linked to the third party. How can a scammer suspect to make a good living giving victims (oops!) I mean buyers the option to stake claims whereby not only voiding the transactions but loosing all the money which was meant to be stolen in the first place. Mistake 3 Choosing a victim, I mean buyer, with a long-standing reputation who no doubt could very well, just maybe call out that person and expose the scammer for who he really is - a multi-complex sociopath dumped into the same cateagory as a one Miss Casey Anythony, who systematically devised a plan and then when it failed he was even more happy to be labeled a swindler! It is possible the title "swindler" is much more coveted than the title of "scammer" within the underground black market.
Hmm....now maybe I really am the person listed above and have now been fully exposed based on heresay instead of facts. Maybe I am a true swindler in every sense of the word, disguised as an honest seller building "street cred" with Postive feedback ratings over a period of one year waiting and waiting for just the right moment to make the move and sink the teeth in. Mmmmmm
Or, perhaps, this isn't the case at all. Maybe I am just another forum member, an honest seller who enjoys what most do - the simple act of buying and selling and sharing common interest in love for knives. But afterall, what do I know, I'm just a swindler (awheemm, seller).
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Baaaaaahahahahaha
Esav Benyamin
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QFT.
This lynch mob mentality has gotten out of hand. A comment like this is absolutely unacceptable. This is not Whine & Cheese. Too many of you are having too much fun and have gotten self-righteous about it, at that.
Constant calls for a ban? That's not justified by the length of this drama, it requires actual evidence of theft. That evidence may be buried in this steaming mound of bovine excrement, but I'm not up to digging for it.
FEEDBACK is here to reveal the unreliable, and it seems you've done that. If you expect more, I will need clear evidence.
no, now you are just trolling....
I don't think you are a scammer, or swinder really. The repeated use of those terms by me were more my laziness than an indication of your buying and selling practices....
You are an unscrupulous salesman. You assembled a knife from parts and sold it as new, completely failing to mention such a drastic modification as that. I find it difficult to believe that that fact just slipped your mind. That is a lie by omission.
Then you had the balls to blame the fact that the buyer was displeased with that fact on the buyer!!! That is totally flabbergasting. Unless of course, you don't care about the knife, or the knife community, and all you are concerned with is the money.
your continued use of the adjective "honest" when describing yourself is laughable, your actions were far from honest or honorable. you have yet to make anything remotely close to a sincere apology to dinokay or the forums. each and every post from you is another slap in the face to bladeforums, its members and everything that people here strive to uphold.
Oh, and the pseudo-intellectual dramatics in every block of text that you type is just annoying.
I totally agree, this thread is really becoming a joke and we can all thank SPYfanman. There was no need for more of the same (that's why I closed the first thread, we were going around and around in circles). The evidence is in the words of the original sales thread post, the sellers admission to omitting facts from that sales thread and the verdict of the paypal decision. There really is nothing else to say, everything has already been said. I can understand that the Forum Rules and Protocol have been violated and things are alittle hot here but I also understand that SPYfanman has figured out which buttons to push and by pushing them everybody jumps on Cue. This has not helped but hurt our getting justice in this situation, please brothers lets stop with the reacting to the button pushing by SPYfanman, let the evidence speak for itself and just simmer down.
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Esav, SPY sold a knife here at BF that he had purposely described as new and unused when it clearly wasn't. In fact, it was so far from being new and unused that to purposely describe it as such shows true intent to deceive the buyer. When the buyer called him on his lie, SPY still tried to defend his description as new and unused even after admitting that he had switched parts out of it and replaced them with other parts. Finally, after admitting that he would use proper descriptions of his "for sale" knives in the future, he refused to give a refund to the buyer after the buyer finally asked that his money be returned.
It finally took a filing of a PayPal dispute by the buyer to get his money back despite SPY's refusal to pay him back.
IMO, SPY is an extremely unethical member and a seller who could very easily repeat his unethical behavior in the future. I don't think it's a stretch to think that we're putting other members at risk of loss by having a member who so egregiously lies about the knife he's selling and then refuses to refund the buyer after admitting he was wrong.
While I've not dealt directly with you during my short time as a member here, your response was both expected and warranted given what I have gleaned from doing my homework here. I don't expect that there were less than 20X's that a ban was called for in this thread alone.......no doubt in hope's of influencing a certain person's decision making process. If this wave of continued pressure had worked, I know that my faith in mod's in general would have taken a bit of a hit. It surely would have been the easy way out, but even if you personally despised Spy's actions, you came to the only conclusion you possibly could.
Spy involved himself in a shady business practice (not practices, as I don't know of any other situation that would warrant such a label) with Dino. Even though I now would not choose to do business with Spy, I still am not convinced that he is the devil himself as many here obviously believe. People do stupid things and some do them intentionally while others do them unintentionally. I can't know exactly where Spy fits in here, but I am no less wary of him than many other members. I definitely wish he would quit "protesting too much" as it isn't doing him any good, on the contrary, it's killing him along with all of us.......
. If we were to ban people based on stupidity alone, there would likely be more viewers than members here..........'cuz most all of us have done less than brilliant things in our lives. Heck......as was pointed out earlier, Dino asked Spy to send on to him the remaining parts to the knife that he still possessed. Dino said that for him to do so would help to start the "heailng process". As has been pointed out by other members, this was a less than intelligent move as well and at this point in time, we have no justification for him doing so that makes any GOOD sense......IMHO. Why would someone bash another member for 9 pages, more so than any other member ("victim') or not, then ask for the remaining parts of that same knife to initiate the healing process between both he and that other member.....? The reason stated was to show all other members that Spy was full of "BS" as his reason for doing so, but really, hadn't Dino already done that......in spades? Why start new dealings in asking for the remaining knife parts when he had made it crystal clear that he didn't want anymore dealings with Spy ever again and, in fact, wanted him banned....? Just a curious set of circumstances, but more to the point.........none of us make the right moves all of the time, no matter how much credit we give ourselves over others.
Again.............there is enough information is this thread to help guide me trying to decide if I'd be willing to deal with Spy in the future. In all honesty, I doubt that I would, but that doubt is based more on Spy's inability to understand more quickly that what he did was tantamount to digging his own grave and then trying to dig his way out loooooong after the worms had done their work. That he just couldn't accept responsibility for his actions right away was both disheartening and telling. Not evil, mind you, but perhaps not someone I'd like to transact with in the future.
I'm glad that Dino will be made whole as I believe he deserves every penny and that Spy obviously deserves feeling uncomfortable and under a microscope for as long as it takes in an attempt to recover his "good name". I must also admit however, that during my 6+ decades on earth, this is the first time that I truly believe that I've witnessed such a feeding frenzy above water.
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totally right. my apologies.
I hope by "said" you mean they put it in writing that a PO Box was OK. PayPal reps "say" all kinds of things, but the rules are the rules when push comes to shove. If they provided you with the PO Box in an official communication I wouldn't sweat it.
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Just to make it clear, what I need to see to ban a seller/trader/buyer is theft. At the end of the transaction, if one member ends up with the money and the goods, he's a thief. If at the end, one gets the money back and the other regains the goods, there may have been an attempt at theft, but FEEDBACK will tell you if you want to deal with either member yourselves.
If we go around banning incompetent sellers/traders/buyers, we would decimate the Exchange. Anybody can have a bad day. We don't need witch hunts for the fun of it. Be very suspicious when threads run on and on repetitiously. Be suspicious of posters who run on in black walls of text. Real problems are not complicated.
If we go around banning incompetent sellers/traders/buyers, we would decimate the Exchange. Anybody can have a bad day. We don't need witch hunts for the fun of it. Be very suspicious when threads run on and on repetitiously. Be suspicious of posters who run on in black walls of text. Real problems are not complicated.
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