Steel quality and snobbism.

The reverse-snobbery of folks who insist that AUS-8or 440A is "just as good for most folks" as ElMax or CPM-154 is just plain silliness, mixed with a healthy portion of sour grapes.
My grapes are so sour from only being able to own knives in 15V, S125V, Rex 121, 3V, S110V, CPM-M4, S90V, ZDP-189, M390, S30V, S60V, CPM154, and whatever else I've ever felt like buying.

No, I have sour grapes because of of all the issues I am having trying to get sheet stock made with MPL-1/Supracor (46% carbide and the highest carbon content steel to date) I'm certainly not jealous of the people who can get by with a low carbon steel blade for daily tasks, since sometimes I am one of them.
 
EDIT: I think it is best for me just to say that I like all kinds of knives, and even more so when I see them being carried by others. If you are carrying a jagged sea shell, or a light saber, I am just stoked to see another edged tool ready for anything.

What you pay for the sea shell or light saber is your business, and really should be meaningless to me.

I feel similarly to singularity 35 below.
 
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While I'm not against steel with higher wear resistance I feel at the end of the day when it's all said and done generally in a days time I can't really distinguish between blade steels unless they are at totally different ends of the spectrum like Rough Rider 440A VS. ZDP189.
 
I've already realised that for my personal uses.....steel type is one of the last things on the priority list when selecting a new knife.

Design is king as long as the steel type is at least decent. 8Cr13Mov and anything upwards from that is fine for me. Even 440a will do in most cases.

Offcourse not everyone is like that. But I'm perfectly happy with that.....leaves me to spend more cash on knife making hardware.
 
A century ago man survived with lesser steels today...true.

That same guy also did not have a computer hooked to high speed internet

Think about it....
 
My point is, steel choice(with proper HT), along with geometry and intended use define whether the knife is valid, budget/bargain or not, no snobbism is necessary. Let me put it this way, let's say, opening letters and occasional cardboard is all really intend to use the knife for. Having a "super steel", let's say CPM 110V instead of conventional, let's say 440C which Boker likes so much, will give both, thinner edge(thus better cutting performance) and much better edge longevity. So, why would you consider that to be snobbism, just to want a better performance.
Yes, I understand, there are people who won't ever sharpen or use and buy that knife just because it was made out of whatever super steel. Just, the point is, choosing a better steel, or asking for it, doesn't automatically mean a person(you, me or anyone) is being snobbish. I don't need to have 1000 inches of cardboard to cut daily to ask for a better steel either :)


Depends what do you want from your knife.



Yes, however I doubt anyone is asking for a supersteel with a botched HT :). Comparing steel A to steel B makes sense only when both have the best possible HT. After that, the edge optimized for whatever it is being used, geometry, etc.

Of course no one ASKS for a botched HT, but it happens all of the time, maybe also not botched but just not the absolute best. I had a Gerber auto that cost around $200, it was never sharp, held an edge worse than my kershaw leek and Cold Steel Voyager, and would not repaeat WOULD not take a decent edge. And it was not a knock off. Also my opinion was and is more often than not "SUPER STEELS" do not out perform steels like 1095, 5160, 52100, tool steels, so much better as to justify the cost of the steel, the machining required and the cost it takes to give them the best HT.
 
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Alan, I read this thread last night but decided not to respond as I thought I was just tired and cranky. Came back to it, and not the case.

What do, any of you all (or me, for that matter), use your knives for? Maybe cutting some cardboard, strip a few wires and, once in a while, going outdoors and pretend you are in a survival situation. That's all.

you (or me, for that matter) won't be able to make the most of an Esee

"pretending to be in a survival situation". Some of us actually do spend days and weeks at a time in the wilderness. I've always loved my canoe trips, ranging from an afternoon to over a week. Why would there be any reason not to pick the nicest/best steel? Me having to stop and touch up my ESEE from chopping up fish seemed similar to "getting the most" out of that edge. The edge was getting beat/rolled. I had to stop and sharpen. Why would anyone want to carry more gear than needed, or waste time on something they could avoid? Is that snobbery to desire a better suited steel?

In my mind, you snob argument is equivalent to me calling you a mall ninja for buying a CS AK47. Why do you need the fast opening wave? Or the non reflective black coating? Or the skull crusher? But I don't, as it would be rude and not my place. 'You know what they say when you assume...'

I agree with unit. Carrier pigeons and telegraphs can pass a message. Why choose cable interent? Bare hands and bone tools have completed uncountable tasks, why opt for bronze?
 
I often think it isn't so much 'steel snobbery' as much as brand snobbery.

AUS8 is a cheap steel when used by Cold Steel, but perfectly ok when used by Al Mar.

8cr13moV is a crap steel...unless, of course, on a Tenacious or Kershaw...


I think the 'super' steels are cool, and watching how companies continue to try to make sharper, more durable blades is part of why most of us are on here. However, I have ABSOLUTELY no problem using either of the aforementioned steels.

For me, they're absolutely fine. For guys like Ed Wood...I hope they have access to whatever they need to keep themselves safe.
 
You may buy a knife for rational reasons. But there is absolutely nothing rational in a collection.
So my answer is: steel quality may matter when you buy your new tool in order to use it, but it can't really matter if you buy it for your collection.
 
I get what I want(or can afford). I don't care what others think of my purchases.

Me too.
I do everything on a budget and don't even own a super steel. 8CR13MOV is what I like in my tacticals and I don't see any reason for me to buy higher end (although it won't stop me from reading about it).

I'm also a big fan of slippies in 1095, 420HC and 440C.
 
It's been said before, but I'll say it again: there is a real difference in the performance of different steels. Can you skin a deer out with an Ikea stainless kitchen knife with barbie-doll plastic handles? Sure... but why would you, when there are so much better choices available?

It's not about being a snob; it's about being discriminating. There's a difference. Try skinning 5 deer out with that Ikea knife and then go prepare a fire with it. Then skin 5 more out and do the same fire prep with my custom 52100 hunter. Then come back and post the same thread.

I've mentioned before several times on this forum that I've got a Cold Steel Pendleton hunting knife that cost $12 and is made out of Krupps stainless. And yes, it's a great knife! And yes, I use it! But it doesn't compare to a better knife made of better steel, and that's just a fact.
 
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I like to experiment and i'm not done yet but 1095, N690Co, and 440C 've been workin out nice. Next up will be ATS134, 52100, or 5160. Maybe i'll get around to that next year, maybe not. As for snob or slob i'm not in that BIZ.
 
I'm just going to use a knife made from an old seashell, or good old wood.
Merry Christmas.:)
 
"pretending to be in a survival situation". Some of us actually do spend days and weeks at a time in the wilderness. I've always loved my canoe trips, ranging from an afternoon to over a week.

And you have the nerve to call some holiday vacation trip a true survival situation? Puh-leeeeezzz...

Due to my military background I can assure you it is not and it's not even funny the comparison.

Why would there be any reason not to pick the nicest/best steel? Me having to stop and touch up my ESEE from chopping up fish seemed similar to "getting the most" out of that edge. The edge was getting beat/rolled. I had to stop and sharpen. Why would anyone want to carry more gear than needed, or waste time on something they could avoid? Is that snobbery to desire a better suited steel?

Oh... I forgot Busses are some kind of laser saber that do not need resharpening ever, right? A beat/rolled edge is always an owner's fault, who failed to take properly care of the tool. And each tool need maintenance, no matter which company made it.

I, too, have spent long periods in the field, both vacationing and serving my country, sir. And I have yet to see an Esee or a Becker fail or need more than just a touch up after weeks of hard use.

In my mind, you snob argument is equivalent to me calling you a mall ninja for buying a CS AK47. Why do you need the fast opening wave? Or the non reflective black coating? Or the skull crusher? But I don't, as it would be rude and not my place. 'You know what they say when you assume...'

The difference is that I openly admit I do NOT need any of those features and I just want one for the kicks. You won't see me trying to justify anything because it has no rational argument behind it.

Wouldn't you call me a ninja mall or even something nastier if I tried to justify needing waved and black coated knives only? I may WANT a CS AK-47, but I sure don't NEED one.

I agree with unit. Carrier pigeons and telegraphs can pass a message. Why choose cable interent? Bare hands and bone tools have completed uncountable tasks, why opt for bronze?

Didn't I say to keep an open mind and consider purchasing both high end and not-so-high end knives? Why limit yourself to just one end of the spectrum?

A carrier pigeon is not as fast and efficient as a plain mobile phone text. But, I wonder, do you really need a $800 phone to send the same text that a $300 phone is capable to do? A ten years old Nokia can send the same text, right? And its battery lasts muuuuuch longer.

Twisting arguments is a game that I can play too, sir. :D
 
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