Stone Cold Shame

strategy9 said:
I never meant to give the impression that the entire fanbase of wrestling is "mall ninja" types, but let's be honest, thousands and thousands of fans showing up to every venue, there are a lot of "mall ninja" types within their fanbase, and yes, there are a lot also in the Walking Dead, Gotham, Vikings, fan bases as well. Fact is there are a lot more mall ninja types out there (and trendy hipsters, and regular ol' uninformed folk who still think "surgical steel" means it must be good), then there are actual knife aficionados, same as there are many more regular commercial light beer drinkers, (coors, Miller, bud), then are true connoisseurs of fine micro brews, and it was intelligent for cold Steel to aim marketing towards the wrestling crowd, more so then the knife crowd, because the knife crowd already knows all about Cold Steel, love or hate, but the wrestling crowd, many who don't know the differences in blade steels or TriAd locks (which in themselves are the appeal to the knife crowd), very well may buy that cool lopking blade with Steve Austin's name attached, rather then some other cool looking blade without such an endorsement... Not much different then wannabe outdoorsie types going gaga over "Bear Grylls" name on Gerber survival stuff, meaning it must be good at survival type stuffs, only except wrestling has a much larger (international) fan base then "Man vs. Wild" ever had... Like I said, genius marketing on Cold Steel's part... They make a lightweight TriAd lock cts-xhp knife (which appeals to and sells itself amongst the knife crowd much as it ever could), at an affordable price range for most avg. Joe's, and market it to a massive non knife related fanbase through a very well known and long respected pro wrestler...

The knife knuts who are going to be interested, (like me), are going to be interested regardless... And the Cold Steel fans are going to still be Cold Steel fans, so no point trying to sell them on a knife they already like.

But many non knife knuts, (mall ninja or not), who may not know a thing about Steel, or Cold Steel, or Lynn Thompson, etc, but happen to be pro wrestling fans, may very well spend that extra $ on a Stone Cold Steve Austin knife, instead of that mTech or United Cut. Knife theyve been eyeballing, just because of the name...
*(and good for them, as it might be the best knife they'll own, or better yet, might open a few folks eyes to what a good blade is, which in turn might lead them into researching, learning, and acquiring the knutism disease).

My biggest gripe is the lack of liners, which I know reduces weight and cost but, also reduces overall durability... That said I still like it... It seems to remind me to be an upgraded clip point xhp Buck Bantam, and I like my Bantam for a $20 knife; upgraded to g10 and xhp, I'm definitely going to like the broken skull I think.
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The lack of durability in regards to the knife being sans Liners, is a non issue. Infact, it has been proven completely baseless. That Linerless Broken Skull will have an exponentially longer service life than any liner or frame lock on God's green earth.

Diesel Engines last longer than 2 stroke lawn mower engines...and equally so, back locks take WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY longer to wear out than frame or liner locks. And the Triad is the beefiest lockback out there.

Birds fly, dogs bark, water is wet, fire is hot, liner and frame locks are not even in the same stratosphere as back locks, as far as service life is concerned. Just the way of the universe.
 
ursamajor said:
The lack of durability in regards to the knife being sans Liners, is a non issue. Infact, it has been proven completely baseless. That Linerless Broken Skull will have an exponentially longer service life than any liner or frame lock on God's green earth.

Diesel Engines last longer than 2 stroke lawn mower engines...and equally so, back locks take WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY longer to wear out than frame or liner locks. And the Triad is the beefiest lockback out there.

Birds fly, dogs bark, water is wet, fire is hot, liner and frame locks are not even in the same stratosphere as back locks, as far as service life is concerned. Just the way of the universe.
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Weeeeelllll...not so cut and dried, really.

Frame-lock wears to the non-locking side; still locks up, just develops some vertical wiggle after some years.
Lock-back knife keeps locking up, but develops vertical wiggle...in fact, many start off with some vertical wiggle.

But if it keeps the blade from closing on your hand, it is still a working lock. :)

But I'm guessing you might just not like liner or frame-lock knives that much. :D
 
stabman said:
Weeeeelllll...not so cut and dried, really.

Frame-lock wears to the non-locking side; still locks up, just develops some vertical wiggle after some years.
Lock-back knife keeps locking up, but develops vertical wiggle...in fact, many start off with some vertical wiggle.

But if it keeps the blade from closing on your hand, it is still a working lock. :)

But I'm guessing you might just not like liner or frame-lock knives that much. :D
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It is. Even the inventor of the frame lock complains about how open and shutting it to quickly wears the mechanism out. Again arguing that they have comparable lifespans, is like arguing that a 2 stroke engine can run for the same amount of hours in its lifespan as a diesel engine. The design limits it. Same for liner and frame locks.
 
ursamajor said:
It is. Even the inventor of the frame lock complains about how open and shutting it to quickly wears the mechanism out. Again arguing that they have comparable lifespans, is like arguing that a 2 stroke engine can run for the same amount of hours in its lifespan as a diesel engine. The design limits it. Same for liner and frame locks.
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Another pointless automobile comparison...

If the knife locks open, it is not worn out.
A frame-lock worn across the tang still locks.
The blade is not closing onto your hand.
Fact.
Not opinion, fact.

But people love whining about vertical wiggle, so they complain that the knife is worn out.
It is not.

Some people whine about their lock-back knives having some wiggle; they are nit-picking too.

Just admit your preference for one type of knife over another; it's okay, I won't judge you.
But to say that a knife which still works is worn out, that's just silly, and I won't agree with such a nonsensical statement.
 
Back on the actual topic now. :)
The knife this thread is actually about seems like an okay knife.
If I had no knife, and it was at the store when I was looking to buy a knife, I might just buy it if priced reasonably.
 
stabman said:
Another pointless automobile comparison...

If the knife locks open, it is not worn out.
A frame-lock worn across the tang still locks.
The blade is not closing onto your hand.
Fact.
Not opinion, fact.

But people love whining about vertical wiggle, so they complain that the knife is worn out.
It is not.

Some people whine about their lock-back knives having some wiggle; they are nit-picking too.

Just admit your preference for one type of knife over another; it's okay, I won't judge you.
But to say that a knife which still works is worn out, that's just silly, and I won't agree with such a nonsensical statement.
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It's an apt comparison. The design wears out more slowly on a lock bar, because their is several times the surface area making contact, and mitigating forces than there is on a liner or frame lock. I do prefer lock backs, because they are stronger and last longer. With that, frame locks and liner locks are fine. But comparing knives that sport them as being more durable, is false.

I also could never be a knife dealer and sell Frame Locks. God bless Whitty and all the rest of the dealers out there. There place in heaven is guaranteed. I would have a stroke if I had to deal with all the schizophrenic calls and emails attached to orders about "how early or late is the lock up?"..."how strong is the detent?" "Is the lock bar to strong and punching the blade out of center when closed?" "Is there a Steel insert?" "Lock rock?" etc etc. Those dealers must be some of the most patient people on this Earth. I read these threads and shake my head.
 
I've had lock backs get so worn, they weren't safe. Recently a Bucklite folded on my finger, just from hacking at a small tough vine. The shock caused it to become unlocked and fly closed right into my index finger. The knife admittedly is 20 years old.
 
ursamajor said:
design wears out more slowly on a lock bar, because their is several times the surface area making contact,
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That depends on the knife in question.
Some have a bunch of depth of engagement, whereas others do not.

If you want to specifically talk about the Tri-Ad lock, then sure, due to design and depth of engagement there is more contact area.
But someone in the Cold Steel sub-forum still managed to wear one to the point where it has vertical wiggle. ;)

It still locks up safely though, so who cares; it ain't gonna close on his hand.

Which is the whole point of a lock, as far as I know. :thumbup:

But if we're now defining "worn out" as "it has some wiggle", then I guess that's a whole different conversation.
One I won't be part of, due to how dumb it would be. :D
 
James Y said:
As far as anybody knows, there very well could be a number of celebrities who are BF members. If they are, why in the world would they want to reveal who they were? Besides, even if they went by their real names, who would believe it? Anybody can use the screen name Stone Cold Steve Austin or Sylvester Stallone or Angelina Jolie or etc. :)

Jim
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There have been threads about celebrity knife nuts here over the years. Pretty sure a few of them ARE on Bladeforums. Seth Green is one that comes to mind right away.
 
kniferbro said:
There have been threads about celebrity knife nuts here over the years. Pretty sure a few of them ARE on Bladeforums. Seth Green is one that comes to mind right away.
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Stallone and Angelina Jolie are supposed to be as well.
But not under their actual names...that would be asking for annoying people to harass them all to hell.
 
stabman said:
Stallone and Angelina Jolie are supposed to be as well.
But not under their actual names...that would be asking for annoying people to harass them all to hell.
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I'm Angelina Jolie actually and I'd like to adapt your books to film. I just need to borrow $50,000 from you so that I can free up funds in an off-shore account to pay for the production.
 
ATwistedStaple said:
I'm Angelina Jolie actually and I'd like to adapt your books to film. I just need to borrow $50,000 from you so that I can free up funds in an off-shore account to pay for the production.
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I'm just awaiting the cash from that Nigerian prince, and then I can make it happen! :D
 
jill jackson said:
I've had lock backs get so worn, they weren't safe. Recently a Bucklite folded on my finger, just from hacking at a small tough vine. The shock caused it to become unlocked and fly closed right into my index finger. The knife admittedly is 20 years old.
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My 482 works flawlessly. now I don't know if this was the case, but I've heard that they will do this when the knife gets dirty and gunked up ( probably something to do with all the surfaces being smooth and polished, allowing the lint to cause slippage ) and all they need I'd a good cleaning and they'll work fine again.
I've never had this happen because I clean mine out whenever I feel a little grit while opening.
 
So rare on an old knife for the lock back to fail from being worn
. That would be one used knife.
 
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