Strider Knives, Game Over!

[Justabuyer]

Who cares who anybody else is or isn't?

This thread is about another questionable miltary past of another very big name in the knifemaking industry who may still be using flat out lies about his supposed heroism as the foundation of a company's marketing campaign to sell knives to people who want them because of this supposed past military experience.

I am a knife collector and I have been for decades.

I think this is a very big deal if you have two huge and respected names in our industry, probably earned as a result of their supposed heroic miltary past, consistantly making up or using huge lies about their military backgrounds just to make a few bucks.

Noble thinking..... I wonder why nobody has come here to say it before..several hundred times.

 

[RWS]

Noble thinking..... I wonder why nobody has come here to say it before..several hundred times.

We can go ahead and tally that to several hundred plus 1 now.

 

[RNST]

OK, this long winded diatribe nonsense waste of bandwith thread. Bubba you come in claiming all of this and blah blah blah, then here you are admitting you have first hand knowledge of their servers?

I call you as being someone obviously with an agenda and you will NEVER get either party to come and straighten this "mess" out. So why dont you post YOUR real name, YOUR social security # if you are a real uninterested party.


I am not a fanboy, I am not a whiny "oooh my collection is worth a lot less poster" I am none of your lame name calling tactics. YOU ARE A TROLL, period.


I do not speak for anyone other than myself. I challenge YOU to provide your records, pow-fanboy. I challenge you to prove who you are and why this is so important to you, and STR as well. Get over it you probably will never know.


He claimed he was done with this thread pages ago! You people will NEVER get the answers you seek, yet somehow you claim/think you have some sort of authority via your keyBORED lifestyle. I know by even replying to this thread, my IQ and sensible nature are tarnished, but Jesus you're a driven little troll!


So, my name is Ronald Paul La Bella Jr. I live in New Jersey in the good ol United States of America. Where do you hail from, friend? What is your stake in this horsepoop of a thread?


POWnetwork is alike The Enquirer in my opinion, worthless. And I can also tell you NO way shape or form would 1 document have trouble being viewed as it were, on any server. And please dont claim they are locked out ( only internet tards believe that shite)

So what is going to change here? We will surely, soon enough see yet another Strider Knives bashing thread from someone with a spoofed IP and a cheesy screen name again in the probably not too distant future...

When are you going to be satisfied? Obviously they're not coming to your party. I suggest you cry about it. I would like to see something positive come out of this like I was happy to point out- as you are- that Michelle was arguing for her friends, as OBVIOUSLY you are.


Shake on it and move on. The video games tie in was CLASSIC also! bravo!

* sound of thundering applause, followed by crickets *


I hereby swear, by all that is holy that I will not come back and heavily modify and or add/delete words possible mistypes and spelling errors in general. ahem*

Ron

Thank you for saying all of the above. Over 580 replies of blah blah blah.

So what I say; I will keep buying Striders and many of you won't based upon these beliefs. Just move on, this is a tired old story and many parts of it are lies that have been retold over and over again and now many people believe it to be the truth.

If you all are so zealous about this topic, pool your money together, get a lawyer and get something going in court. Put up or shut up time.

 

[STR]

Who cares who anybody else is or isn't?

This thread is about another questionable miltary past of another very big name in the knifemaking industry who may still be using flat out lies about his supposed heroism as the foundation of a company's marketing campaign to sell knives to people who want them because of this supposed past military experience.

I am a knife collector and I have been for decades.

I think this is a very big deal if you have two huge and respected names in our industry, probably earned as a result of their supposed heroic miltary past, consistantly making up or using huge lies about their military backgrounds just to make a few bucks.

Exactly! Anyone that does not get that this is a huge tarnish and embarassment for the knife industry is either blind or has their moral compass so askewed that they need reminded of what those who actually do put their necks on the line in battle really stand for and defend, as well as how important it is. Maybe some of you with the biggests mouths calling this 'blah blah blah' among other things should sign up and do some time over in Iraq for 18 months or have one of your own children do so causing you the stress and worry that you can only know when you live it. Then come back here and tell us what you think about someone making up stories of how they did it all and more and that you don't care about it!

Forget all the stuff that is left unanswered for now. What we have answered is enough to justify further investigation of Mr.Duane Dwyser/Poland. Duane Dwyer is not a member of the Marine Sniper Scout Association as has been claimed and neither is Duane Poland. We have this information from the people that run the USMC S/SA. That is a lie if it has been told to anyone by Duane. Its is unconfirmed gossip at best if passed on by anyone else just taking someone elses word for it. Its exposed now as not a truth and how many of you realize this?. Good people made posts saying this is confirmed information. I wonder what they think of this now but I can just imagine how I'd feel to learn that something I'd been saying was not and never had been confirmed fact. I can put two and two together as easy as the next guy. Since I know that Duane is not a member of the USMC S/SA he apparently claimed to be a member of I have to ask why is that? Surely someone with, 'an impressive kill count" and in the public eye would be a member in good standing would he not?

If I were good friends with any of you and something you told me of this importance didn't pan out to be true after I took your word for it and passed it on to defend you I would be in touch with you about this. How many of you lurkers just coming here reading that have posted this stuff in the past, (I've seen you online reading this thread, )have been on the phone with Duane to find out how this can be? And if not, why not? Some of you guys have been guilty of going on at times about keyboard commandos and spout off this real man stuff with all the face to face talk. So if you are a real man call your friend up that you defended blindly and ask him point blank to explain this mess that is now putting egg on your faces.

Of course you could just keep coming in here reading only and then spouting off privately behind our backs about those of us that are upset by this. Yeah its all our fault now that you have to wipe egg off your face every morning before going out. Look guys. We recognize it hurts. Believe me we get it. It has hurt all of us.

STR

 

[Justabuyer]

Look guys. We recognize it hurts. Believe me we get it. It has hurt all of us.

STR

If only that were true. But its not true. Some people have found their secret purpose. Some people having been attacked in the past feel great waves of vindication washing over them, adding fuel to righteous indignation.
They rejoice.

Some people.

 

[RWS]

If only that were true. But its not true. Some people have found their secret purpose.

Some people.

You seem to be pretty annoyed at some people here having a "secret purpose".

I'm curious, Justabuyer, how annoyed are you at the possibility of Duane and Micky Berger having a "secret purpose" of convincing people of what great warriors they once were just so they could sell knives, when it may in fact be 100% false?

 

[John T Wylie Jr]

Exactly! Anyone that does not get that this is a huge tarnish and embarassment for the knife industry

embarrassment ? nah... there are companies like CS and Dork Ops who take that role...

in the grand scheme of things , the only people who seem to give a rats a$$ about this whole subject seem to be people with an axe to grind from either here on BF or over on Tactical forum , outside of here and there I havent heard anyone even care , so to claim its an embarassment is grasping at straws...

30 pages and all that has been learned is the same people who were against Mick in that other thread are all against Duane now... the same people who were friends with Mick then still are , the folks that are friends with D will still be when this stuff is laid to rest.

Perhaps STR and the others who have so much " concern " over what the truth is , can maybe see Mick & D in person at SHOT or Blade and ask them straight out. Has anyone here ever done that ? gee I didnt think so...

I know I havent , cause in the overall picture of life... it just dont mean anything to me.
The sun will rise tomorrow , it will set tonight...life will go on , those guys are still people I call friends , I just hope that each and every one of you , when you really need a friend for whatever the reason , have someone like Mick & D you can call.

 

[RWS]

embarrassment ? nah...

Let me try and get this right.....You're saying that if this turns out to be true, it won't be an embarrassment for Strider Company and the industry?

Perhaps STR and the others who have so much " concern " over what the truth is , can maybe see Mick & D in person at SHOT or Blade and ask them straight out. Has anyone here ever done that ? gee I didnt think so...

Perhaps those who know them personally should also be concerned and asking them if it's true.

 

[Justabuyer]

Let me try and get this right.....You're saying that if this turns out to be true, it won't be an embarrassment for Strider Company and the industry?

You think that a fictitious financial entity like a knife Company and something as nebulous as a Manufacturing "industry " is capable of feeling emotion?

I guess you get warm emotional feed back from pet rocks too.

 

[wolfmann601]

If I was bringing this type of info to light to expose another the whole world would know who I was because I would do it all using my name.

But that's me, a non-strider collector, persona non-gratis on another knife type forum and no dog at all in this fight with the exception now of wanting to learn the absolute truth, period.
The absolute truth certainly is not an explanation like Dwyer's records and how they could not be loaded because of server issues. My bet would be that they were taken down to make certain Pownetwork dotted their I's and crossed their T's. This issue is garnering more attention than most of their purported outing of a military phony/wannabe and if they are wrong their credibility would forever be damaged. Their is still however, no clear connection between Poland-Dwyer and how Duane could use one name for the service and another name to marry, raise a family, own a business and be involved with LE all across California.
I do know the evidence so far presented is pretty compelling and certainly raises my suspicion but for all I know he is a Jason Bourne type with lots of names.

maybe one of his names is Bubbanumber1 !!!!!

 

[bigmark408]

all the wasted energy here by all the LOOZER's that are suppose to be grown men that havent figured out yet that they cant change yesterday....you guys are the types that cant go to work and keep your mouths shut for 8 hours and do your job without worrying about what your co-worker is doing....pritty sad all you have is your past to live in....why dont you LOOZER's (and you know who you are) take all this energy you have and do something productive with it...like help the men in the box that are giving there lives daily so you guys can be flappin yur cyber lips in safety...who gives a F*** what mick or dwayne did or do...its is they who live with themselves.

Oh Yah...Happy New Year folks I do luv this forum :thumbup: lots of good folk here

 

[RWS]

You think that a fictitious financial entity like a knife Company and something as nebulous as a Manufacturing "industry " is capable of feeling emotion?



I guess you get warm emotional feed back from pet rocks too.

Cute interpretation of the post....albeit somewhat cavalier toward such a large group of very respectable and respected knife entusiasts here at BF and throughout this ""nebulous industry" we're all suppose to be a part of.:thumbup:


And, apparently, you think a "fictitious" financial entity and it's "industry" has nothing to do with the huge number of people involved in its existence, from it's shareholders to its customers to its employees, and is nothing more than an abstract intangible with a building thrown in here and there for decoration, with a corporate charter and a set of by-laws which were created as a formality in order to comply with some state's laws of incorporation....BTW, this is similar in nature to the belief systems that a lot of the corporate execs at Enron adopted.

Now, who's the naive one here?

 

[Mike G]

Folks, I'm going to issue a reminder.

No personal attacks against each other will be tolerated.

As for the moderators who are participating; you need to set the example. Even though you aren't the moderator of record here, you still have standards to uphold. Be nice to each other, AND NO MORE SNIPING AT EACH OTHER!

If you cannot keep yourself in check, and hold a civil discussion, I suggest you bow out, and go participate elsewhere. This is for everyone.

Thanks for your cooperation.

 

[3Guardsmen]

all the wasted energy here by all the LOOZER's that are suppose to be grown men that havent figured out yet that they cant change yesterday

But they can change tomorrow, preventing "yesterday's" mistakes from continuing on. Some people belive in accountabillity. Others apparently do not.

....you guys are the types that cant go to work and keep your mouths shut for 8 hours and do your job without worrying about what your co-worker is doing ....pritty sad all you have is your past to live in....why dont you LOOZER's (and you know who you are) take all this energy you have and do something productive with it...like help the men in the box that are giving there lives daily so you guys can be flappin yur cyber lips in safety

Safety from whom or what exactly? Data-Techs that would rather they didn't?

...who gives a F*** what mick or dwayne did or do...its is they who live with themselves.

Apparently, some people here do.

Oh Yah...Happy New Year folks I do luv this forum :thumbup: lots of good folk here

Back at ya.

Regards,
3G

 

[Spark]

If only that were true. But its not true. Some people have found their secret purpose. Some people having been attacked in the past feel great waves of vindication washing over them, adding fuel to righteous indignation.
They rejoice.

Some people.

Yet another pathetic attempt to put the onus on the people who didn't do anything wrong, while shifting the blame from those who have.

You know, this kind of behavior sickens me. Rather than have the intestinal fortitude to admit that lying is wrong, that stealing the valor of those who have "done the deeds" is despicable, we have a myriad of sniveling, excuse making, blame shifting, weasel like behavior.

You look at any of the various Cold Steel, Maxpedition, Dark Ops, Linton Cutlery, etc threads and you'll see some very familiar names cropping up, talking all sorts of smack and urging for boycotts or worse. Yet, mention that "the emperor has no clothes" and what do you get? A bunch of pitiful displays.

Throughout this I've asked one simple question: When is it ok to lie? No one has been able to step up and say this disgusting affair has been wrong. Even when asked point blank, the same groupies have been evasive over and over again.

It's sad that when it comes time to walk the walk, it's all revealed to be nothing but talk.

Hell, nothing has changed since I posted this back in March -
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4487568&postcount=246

You know, I was just forwarded a really laughable thread posted elsewhere, where a bunch of people were patting themselves on the back about things and yukking it up, and I'm really astounded at how they can call anything posted thus far a "victory" for themselves.

Honestly... I'm astounded by the amount of self-delusion and denial that's going on. After I was done laughing at what I read, I picked out some key words, which I'm now going to use to illustrate.

First, it's amazing the lack of intestinal fortitude that any of the Mick Strider supports have... even when confronted with direct quotations from Mick Strider himself, not a single one of them can bear to admit that he's lied about himself. Not one. There's a remarkable silence from many of the formerly vocal parties, but even with the contradictory words from the horse's mouth itself, not one can even come forward and admit that Mick Strider lied about his combat service.

Then, let's talk about integrity, or the lack thereof, when someone willfully choses to stand by a liar, and then defend his actions. I mentioned this on another site where military posers are mocked with regularity... yet Mick Strider get's a special exemption.

Third, the capacity to suspend disbelief continues to astound me.
...
In my opinion, what we're seeing here is that some people are so invested in the lie that they can't afford to give up because the loss of face & monetary investments would be too great for them to bear. It's pretty sad.

Same thing, different time. Lo and behold now it appears that Duane Dwyer's stories don't hold up, and what happens? Same misdirection, obfuscation, blame-shifting, attacking the messenger, etc, etc, etc, etc. The best part is you, Justabuyer, prove me right by complaining about your "investments" at the beginning of the thread.

Give it a break already. None of the excuses offered thus far holds water.

The ONLY credible thing I've seen offered is that it's possible that Duane Dwyer isn't Thomas D Poland. It's possible. Unfortunately in the digital age, when you fill out a credit application, or mortgage application, or other information, you often grant the company you are using the right to sell that information for various purposes. So, even if you change your name legally, but use the same social security number, guess what? It all goes into a database and resold over and over again. So there's two possibilities here: Duane Dwyer is Thomas D Poland and other AKA's, or Duane Dwyer is the victim of identity theft several times over. Believe what you want; what I haven't seen is any hard proof that the claims of "sniper this" and "sniper that" bear out. Again, all of that can be settled in 5 seconds with a DD214 or other independently verifiable proof.

I'd like for this to be a huge misunderstanding and a case of mistaken identity. Really, I would. But from what I've seen thus far, it's reasonable to be suspicious. So please, pretty please, offer some sort of proof.

Perhaps STR and the others who have so much " concern " over what the truth is , can maybe see Mick & D in person at SHOT or Blade and ask them straight out. Has anyone here ever done that ? gee I didnt think so...

I've been at my shop 5 days a week since the first time this came up. Nobody's hopped on a plane to see me "face to face" and "settle things" yet. I don't know about you, but I go to SHOT to conduct business. If someone is so worried about their rep that they need to "prove themselves" in that way, they could have done it by actually doing what they claimed to have done, instead of making up stories about their accomplishments. If the only thing you can do to convince others you are right is beat someone up, that makes you a bully. If you couldn't actually hack being the Uber Badass Special Operations Stud, getting in fights doesn't earn you bragging rights.

I do have to laugh about the Cold Steel and Dark Ops remark though. I guess it's all a matter of marketing... perhaps the owners of those brands should have claimed to be SEALs and Pararescuemen? Hand out a couple free beers?

 

[Jose Reyes]

You think that a fictitious financial entity like a knife Company and something as nebulous as a Manufacturing "industry " is capable of feeling emotion?

I guess you get warm emotional feed back from pet rocks too.

What about your emotions? You seem to have skipped over RWS' previous post.

There's nothing wrong with sticking by your friends or making the decision to support their company after being informed of the possibility that they lied. What about the soldiers and user's/collectors that are supporting them based on their supposed military accomplishments, who look up to them and consider them heroes based on those stories but don't know them personally and aren't aware of this controversy, should they be kept in the dark about it?

 

[bigmark408]

But they can change tomorrow, preventing "yesterday's" mistakes from continuing on. Some people belive in accountabillity. Others apparently do not.

Safety from whom or what exactly? Data-Techs that would rather they didn't?

Apparently, some people here do.

Back at ya.

Regards,
3G

People like you make me sick...yes people that expect everything for free and do not appreciate the price paid for FREEDOM.

In my beliefs....there was only one man who never told a lie.

In all the posts in this thread...is there one person whom has NEVER told a lie ?

A lie is a lie.

If there is one person on this forum that has never had a lie pass his lips please speak up and you will be the one worthy of judgement of others.

Other than he...my fate will be judged by twelve.

 

[Spark]

What price was paid for "FREEDOM" exactly? As far as I can tell, it wasn't paid by people who pretend, it was paid by people who actually did, some of whom didn't come back from it.

 

[John T Wylie Jr]

When is it ok to lie?

when it is to protect the safety of your family..

If the only thing you can do to convince others you are right is beat someone up, that makes you a bully. If you couldn't actually hack being the Uber Badass Special Operations Stud, getting in fights doesn't earn you bragging rights.

Spark , with all due respect , I NEVER said anything about getting in a fight , what I clearly posted was see Mick & D in person at SHOT or Blade and ASK them straight out. See that word , ASK...it doesnt say fight , provoke , scream , rant , rave or yell... it means to politely ASK . I have no clue how you got anything regarding a fight out of that. Did I miss something ?

regardless of all the drama...

everyone try to have a safe and healthy New Year... and please dont drink and drive.

 

[bigmark408]

What price was paid for "FREEDOM" exactly? As far as I can tell, it wasn't paid by people who pretend, it was paid by people who actually did, some of whom didn't come back from it.

it is not my position to judge them....the lives given are the ones lost in defense of our great country from day one until tomorrow...my point is these threads are un productive...they dont hurt strider knives....strider knives sell as fast as they make them....and the people being attact here dont even dignify all this with a response....so in my humble opinion this is just a bashing.

we are all brothers...we all bleed red....all this energy could be used for good