Strider Knives, Game Over!

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Throughout this entire fiasco, I haven't said word one negative about Strider Knives. So let me put this in crystal clear focus for you: I don't have any ill will towards the company, nor do I wish them any harm.

I realize that you have no choice but to make this claim. No intelligent person would do otherwise, since an outright admission would create all sorts of difficulties for you. Can I buy a Strider from your knife store?

You mistake that I'm excusing Mick Strider and Duane Dwyer. I'm not. Mick deserves what he gets. Duane probably, but the necessary lines are only half drawn to show me that he did not do what he has claimed.

I'm simply pointing out that the group of you continue on with your childish back and forth, one minute recommending the the FBI be contacted based on internet posts supposedly made by a felon who may or may not have had his firearms rights restored, the next grandstanding about integrity and business ethics using the full power of UBB's formatting features, so that the end product looks like it was pasted together from random newspaper clippings.

I just don't believe you've had much impact on Strider's sales. The Tactical Forums threads have been going on for years. The one you started here should have gotten the word out well before Blade. I just don't see evidence of people turning away from their product.

As for my being new here, and who started what thread: a single human can operate more than one account here. I don't know any of you from a can of paint, you could all be the same person for all I know.
 
There have been a number of posts I would like to comment on but can not. I have been silenced by Spark. Arguement by authority while not my style is absolute. I have noted that BigMark408 is also missing in action. Fair thee well brother.

At this point I will unsubscribe from this thread. Enjoy your Mob with out any further distractions.

By virtue of the fact that I want to continue selling and buying here, You guys win. Mick and Duane are poopy heads. How could I have been so wrong?
 
711432 said:
I realize that you have no choice but to make this claim. No intelligent person would do otherwise, since an outright admission would create all sorts of difficulties for you. Can I buy a Strider from your knife store?

You mistake that I'm excusing Mick Strider and Duane Dwyer. I'm not. Mick deserves what he gets. Duane probably, but the necessary lines are only half drawn to show me that he did not do what he has claimed.

I'm simply pointing out that the group of you continue on with your childish back and forth, one minute recommending the the FBI be contacted based on internet posts supposedly made by a felon who may or may not have had his firearms rights restored, the next grandstanding about integrity and business ethics using the full power of UBB's formatting features, so that the end product looks like it was pasted together from random newspaper clippings.

I just don't believe you've had much impact on Strider's sales. The Tactical Forums threads have been going on for years. The one you started here should have gotten the word out well before Blade. I just don't see evidence of people turning away from their product.

As for my being new here, and who started what thread: a single human can operate more than one account here. I don't know any of you from a can of paint, you could all be the same person for all I know.
Wow, you are just chock full of trolling, aren't you?

What's going to be your next tactic, I wonder? Perhaps you'll say I'm jealous of his success?

You seem to have this difficulty reconciling the facts with what you "know" - after all, you "knew" I did this in order to "impact right around Blade '07" despite my not even being involved in the discussions that brought all of this to a head. After all, I wasn't involved in the threads on Tactical Forums, or the "Cold Steel Rip Off" one until page 30, and even then until after Michelle urged people to dig for themselves.

So, again, you are just trying to scapegoat me for whatever woes people have.

Remember this?

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You obviously want to harm their business and you've failed every time you've tried.

You obviously have the wrong person, Mister. I haven't called for a boycott, said people shouldn't buy Strider Knives, or anything else that could "harm their business". I've already illustrated a number of fairly simple things I could do if that was even my remotest intent. That doesn't mean I can't call a liar a liar though. By and large I've stayed out of Strider Squabbles, even to the point where Strider Knives still had a forum here for a year after I was no longer a dealer for them. So please, pretty please, if you are going to make wild accusations, at least make them hold a slight amount of water.

I do have to laugh at your act, though. Yeah, we're really supposed to believe that you are just some uninterested third party, who just happens to have followed this since (in your words) I "outed" Mick, and uses terms like Striderettes (I completely forgot about that one, thanks for reminding me), and that I don't sell Striders in my store.

Folks, it's a rare treat when you get to see the miracle of character assassination in direct action. You see, 711432 doesn't have to back up anything he says. He doesn't need to offer proof. Anonymous allegations, proclamations and innuendo is all that's needed.

Sure, you aren't "excusing" Mick and Duane. Your only purpose here is to take shots at their detractors. You'd be more effective if you weren't so transparent.
 
You know what, Bubba? I'm getting pretty sick of your trolling as well.
 
I haven't called for a boycott, said people shouldn't buy Strider Knives, or anything else that could "harm their business".

You've given a pass to all of this extended commentary where Strider buyers are called suckers, all the allusions to businesses being the reflection of their owners, corporate integrity and the like. I admit to switching, without warning, between the personal 'you' and the collective 'you' but I blame 'you people' falling out of favor. Maybe you, Spark, feel like I've blamed you, Spark, for things you, you people, have done.

But anyway, these threads seem to always go the same way. I'm making the case that they are not getting much bang for their buck.

Yeah, we're really supposed to believe that you are just some uninterested third party

If I weren't interested I wouldn't post. And I'll not let you put words in my mouth, I never claimed I wasn't. I've obviously been following along since I was able to find the vein that carries the vitriol so easily. Maybe that does make me a troll in the classic Usenet sense, but it doesn't make what I've written any less the truth.

And Bubbanumber1: no; no; no; sometimes if I buy one I don't like
 
You've given a pass to all of this extended commentary

Read a little of other threads in this forum (TGB&U). There is all kinds of commentary here. This is the free marketplace of ideas -- and we don't make an exception and break our own rules just because it's a company that you like being criticised this time.

I admit to switching, without warning, between the personal 'you' and the collective 'you'

Yes, you've certainly done a lot of that. When you say "you people" there's no telling who you're talking about. All the 100,000 accounts used by the same person?
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because it's a company that you like being criticised this time.

I don't feel any particular way about the Strider Knives company. I no more 'like' any given company than it 'likes' me. They offer products for sale and I buy them or not. Maybe my fault here is not deriving as much of my self esteem from the brand name on the products I buy as many of you all, and developing a one sided relationship with that brand name.

When you say "you people" there's no telling who you're talking about.

Obviously in this context I'm writing about those people who have chosen to take a side in this matter, against the Strider Knives company. There are a half dozen or so active in this thread and the last one. Maybe the same quantity at Tactical Forums, although I admit to just browsing through those threads linked from here.

So 12 of you. About.
 
I don't feel any particular way about the Strider Knives company. I no more 'like' any given company than it 'likes' me. They offer products for sale and I buy them or not. Maybe my fault here is not deriving as much of my self esteem from the brand name on the products I buy as many of you all, and developing a one sided relationship with that brand name.
Oh come on, if you are going to lie, at least do it convincingly. You registered specifically to take shots at people who were (in your view) seeking to "damage" Strider Knives' business. You admitted you've been following this for a while, and if your location is to be believed, even flew to the US & watched the Strider booth at the Blade Show. You don't "excuse" Mick Strider & Duane Dwyer, but your acrimony is somehow only reserved for those who are expressing dislike for lies? This story of yours, it's falling apart.

Obviously in this context I'm writing about those people who have chosen to take a side in this matter, against the Strider Knives company. There are a half dozen or so active in this thread and the last one. Maybe the same quantity at Tactical Forums, although I admit to just browsing through those threads linked from here.

So 12 of you. About.
Please. More than 80 people have posted in this thread alone. I'm not even going to waste my time counting all the people from all the previous threads. So which is it? We're doing all we can to "damage Strider's business" or "nobody is doing anything" or "no one cares" because between Justabuyer saying he can't sell his dozens of Striders because of the controversy, and your saying there's "no effect" I'm not sure who to believe.

Maybe that does make me a troll in the classic Usenet sense, but it doesn't make what I've written any less the truth.
Or even true to begin with.

If the only net result from all these threads is that people stop lying about their (fictional) military backgrounds, I'm perfectly content with that. One thing is for certain - a number of people have been caught at odds with the facts since this has all come out. Please stop with the proclamations of other, more nefarious, goals though.
 
I don't quite get the motivation of 711432's posts. He's addressing maybe a dozen people about a handful of threads discussing something he doesn't particularly care about one way or the other and is having no net effect to the subjects?

To bother with registering and posting just to say you don't really care and find everyone else is wasting keystrokes in ineffectual threads seems rather pointless.
 
I don't quite get the motivation of 711432's posts. He's addressing maybe a dozen people about a handful of threads discussing something he doesn't particularly care about one way or the other and is having no net effect to the subjects?

To bother with registering and posting just to say you don't really care and find everyone else is wasting keystrokes in ineffectual threads seems rather pointless.

Can't you people see what he's trying to say here? It's so simple.

His posts are just a polite gesture by a "non-interested" and "unbiased" thread bystander, with no agenda of his own, wanting to let everyone here know that a company, like Strider Knives company for example, is just a thing and you can't hurt the thing because a thing has no feelings(it's just a thing) and you can't affect the thing or hurt the thing as a result of the dishonest acts of the owners of the thing because the owners of the thing are seperate from the thing and no one is going to hold the thing responsible for the actions of the owners of the thing no matter how despicable those actions are by the owners of the thing. Therefore, everyone here discussing whether this will hurt the thing are wasting their time talking about the thing along with talking about the unethical and dishonest acts of the owners of the thing.....it's just a thing!

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I don't feel any particular way about the Strider Knives company. I no more 'like' any given company than it 'likes' me. They offer products for sale

Wait a second.....It's just a thing, dogonnit!......the thing can't talk, so how does the thing offer products for sale? Wait another second......How can a thing be a "they"?....I'm so confused......:confused::eek:

OK, I'm done with the sarcasm for now.
 
your acrimony is somehow only reserved for those who are expressing dislike for lies?

Maybe you just don't read easily, but I noted once that Mick deserves whatever he gets. To be more explicit I'll type out that I believe Mick Stider falsified his military background and I think that is reprehensible.

If I were just here because I don't like people pointing out lies I would have registered and posted several dozen pages ago. Or threads ago. I did not, until the recent bashing of the Strider Knives company. That is what I do not like and it isn't necessary for it to be effective for me to not like it. If you weren't blinded by a rage when anyone doesn't agree entirely with everything you've written throughout this fiasco you would be able to see that.

And I understand that I've invaded a clique here, but given the reaction I've gotten it was wise to have done it with a clean account. It may be a major undertaking for some people to register a free account and craft posts on an internet forum. It is not for me. Don't imagine that I'm investing large amounts of my time.
 
If you weren't blinded by a rage when anyone doesn't agree entirely with everything you've written throughout this fiasco you would be able to see that.

There actually are some forums on the net where the moderators go into a blind rage whenever someone disagrees with them and people and posts disappear without a trace. There's room for all kinds of forums on the net....
 
Maybe you just don't read easily, but I noted once that Mick deserves whatever he gets. To be more explicit I'll type out that I believe Mick Stider falsified his military background and I think that is reprehensible.

If I were just here because I don't like people pointing out lies I would have registered and posted several dozen pages ago. Or threads ago. I did not, until the recent bashing of the Strider Knives company. That is what I do not like and it isn't necessary for it to be effective for me to not like it. If you weren't blinded by a rage when anyone doesn't agree entirely with everything you've written throughout this fiasco you would be able to see that.

And I understand that I've invaded a clique here, but given the reaction I've gotten it was wise to have done it with a clean account. It may be a major undertaking for some people to register a free account and craft posts on an internet forum. It is not for me. Don't imagine that I'm investing large amounts of my time.

And yet another quality post filled with attacks. Your first mistake was to confuse :rolleyes: for rage. Your second was to try and deliberately associate calling bullshit on Mick's lies (and now probably Duane's as well) with an assault on the Strider Knife Company.

I welcome disagreement. I encourage it. I'd personally love to be proven wrong and this be a huge misunderstanding; at no time have I ever just squelched discussion on this (or countless other topics) simply because "I said so" especially if the facts aren't there in 100% black & white. What I don't have to put up with, however, are nebulous accusations and personal attacks.

There is no clique, however desperately you'd like there to be one. There is no plot, despite all your insidious little quips. And honestly, you'd have had better results if you'd actually stood up and said who you are, instead of coming in as an anonymous "voice from the crowd".

Finally, if you think this is being handled poorly here, I'd love to see where you think an open and frank discussion is taking place.
 
I am probably going to regret reentering this thread, but here goes:

Has the company stopped using those claims in marketing?
Isn't that the intent of all of this?

I think some people want to see people publically denounce their friends and publically turn their back on them. I think that is unrealistic. If you are a friend, you stick with friends, even when they make a mistake.

There is a profound difference in how cultures deal with transgressions. Braithwaite wrote a book called crime, shame, and reintegration that is worth reading.
The point I took from it is that there should be a path for seeing a community come back together.

I am not a personal friend of anyone involved here. I find the whole thing a little shameful. I think if people step away for a minute, they might realize that they have too much invested in this, emotionally.

I wish the Stider team well. I hope they can find a way to restore the trust that people had in them and lost as well as validate the trust that people always held.

I hope that everyone else can notch their moral compass and validate what they learned about themselves in this process and move forward, demonstrating they values they demand in others.
 
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If the only net result from all these threads is that people stop lying about their (fictional) military backgrounds, I'm perfectly content with that. One thing is for certain - a number of people have been caught at odds with the facts since this has all come out. Please stop with the proclamations of other, more nefarious, goals though.

Ok, Ok I will be one of those to come clean eventhough I don't make knives and am not the Owner of several Hydroponic Pistachio nut Farms located throughout New England.
I was never in the military and was not an Assasin for the CIA. I was never awarded an Israeli Medal of Honor and was never really invited to become the next Israeli prime Minister.
I never did as a Lt. Colonel go Striper fishing off the Maine coast with the Bush's and did not save the Prez, former Prez and Barbara after the boat was hit by a Torpedo ( Maybe a Cruise missle.....I know; I gotta stop Posing!!!).
I was never arrested eventhough I told many of you that I was convicted of Murder but allowed to serve one year testing speedo bathing suits at the northern most point of Antartica (there were parts far north).

I was never in the US Coast Guard but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express......twice!

I do apologize publically and hope all the other Posers will follow my lead and come clean..........................Who is next??:D
 
There have been a number of posts I would like to comment on but can not. I have been silenced by Spark.

More of a lack of ability to use logic.

You were told to quit trolling.
(Not to mention it would be great for you to actually post something that makes sense in this thread)

That is quite different from being "silenced" unless trolling is your only intent.:D.
 
Ok, Ok I will be one of those to come clean eventhough I don't make knives and am not the Owner of several Hydroponic Pistachio nut Farms located throughout New England.
I was never in the military and was not an Assasin for the CIA. I was never awarded an Israeli Medal of Honor and was never really invited to become the next Israeli prime Minister.
I never did as a Lt. Colonel go Striper fishing off the Maine coast with the Bush's and did not save the Prez, former Prez and Barbara after the boat was hit by a Torpedo ( Maybe a Cruise missle.....I know; I gotta stop Posing!!!).
I was never arrested eventhough I told many of you that I was convicted of Murder but allowed to serve one year testing speedo bathing suits at the northern most point of Antartica (there were parts far north).

I was never in the US Coast Guard but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express......twice!

I do apologize publically and hope all the other Posers will follow my lead and come clean..........................Who is next??:D

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