Strider Knives, Game Over!

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RWS said:
Do you honestly believe that this sort of thing doesn't hurt the sales of Strider knives?
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While that is the point of threads like these it does not seem to be working.

I doubt there will be anything as comprehensive Spark's outing of Mick, and it was well timed to have an impact right around Blade '07. Yet the Strider table was as busy as any I have ever seen. MSC customs continue to sell out the same day they are posted at places like TAD Gear and Alaska Knives. Dwyer customs perform similarly. And the Strider limited edition non-customs typically have more demand than supply.

Bladeforums is one of, if not the, largest knife related web sites on the planet. Thousands of people visit here each day. Yet, in this thread and its predecessor, the same 10 or 12 people rehash the same circular arguments over and over.

None of this will put Strider out of business regardless of what you all uncover. Post all the long winded diatribes about honor and integrity you want. Type out your marginally metaphorical stories. Most people don't care one way or the other. You obviously want to harm their business and you've failed every time you've tried.
 
I have not ventured an opinion previously. I will not purchase any Strider product because of this..I wouldn't walk across the isle to meet either of them.I don't believe I'm the only person.
 
711432 said:
You obviously want to harm their business and you've failed every time you've tried.
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I absolutely don't want Strider to go out of business and I hope that this doesn't put Strider out of business. I don't think it will.

But, I am a little surprised at the degree of certainty you have about the impact this would have on the business if all this turns out to be true. Especially, considering the type of customers that Strider attracts(i.e., a lot of military and leos who, due to the nature of their jobs, are typically expected to and usually do adopt a higher standard of behavior)

BTW, looking at a bunch of people standing around a table at Bladeshow is hardly an accurate measure of the impact this type of thing will have on their bottom line and long-term success.

We all know that the continued success of any business boils down to sustained positive cash flow which is something you're not going to measure by looking at folks standing around a table at a knife show. Only the people on the inside of Strider and others who have access to the financials will know if sales are beginning to suffer.

Just out of curiosity, what unethical act by any company, whether it be Strider or any other successful company, do you think it would take for people to reconsider doing business with them any more?
 
The first unethical act that would stop me from doing business with a company, and has, is lying to me. If they will lie about one thing they will lie about anything. If the blade steel is touted as 440C and is really 440A, that's a lie and in purchasing the knife I get cheated. Lying is cheating someone out of something.

Integrity is really important. Circumstances, disease, or sometimes people can rob us of our dignity, self respect and a lot of other things. Integrity is the one thing I possess that no one can take from me, but that I alone can surrender.

Gene
 
If people take a look at the original monster thread about Mick, they will see that many people that were considering purchasing Strider knives changed their minds. If all this stuff becomes widely known, it will have an effect on the number of people that will purchase their knives. However, Strider do not need a huge customer base to enjoy good sales. They produce a comparatively small number of knives, and should have no trouble finding enough customers to sell all that they make.

People should have all the information available to them so that they can make the decision to purchase Strider knives based on what is important to them. It's not for anyone else to tell you or me what we should consider when making our purchasing decisions. Each person has to make those decisions for themselves. Some people only consider the quality of the end product, and others take into account the integrity, honesty and ethics of the company they are dealing with. Both are valid.
 
Gene Martin said:
Integrity is really important. Circumstances, disease, or sometimes people can rob us of our dignity, self respect and a lot of other things. Integrity is the one thing I possess that no one can take from me, but that I alone can surrender.

Gene
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So very true Gene, my integrity and my credibility will never change with my health, no matter how sick I get I will always remain honest.

Integrity and honesty, I would think once a Company that deals with LEO's loses that; their business with them is got to take a significant hit. If this is all true I would bet that some contracts will just not happen but that is my opinion only............
 
Keith Montgomery said:
If people take a look at the original monster thread about Mick, they will see that many people that were considering purchasing Strider knives changed their minds.
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Of course that depends on what you call 'many'. Tens of thousands of views of one of the largest threads on one of the largest knife web sites and you had maybe, at most, 20 people say they'd changed their minds. Figure half those are just typical internet whinging.

If you saw the Strider table at Blade '07 (well after Spark's outing) you'd know that they won't miss 10 customers.

Keith Montgomery said:
If all this stuff becomes widely known
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How will it become more widely known than it is now? Do you hold out hope that it will be picked up by one of the network news shows?

Keith Montgomery said:
It's not for anyone else to tell you or me what we should consider when making our purchasing decisions.
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I'm not. You and your friends here are. Your side has called Strider knife buyers Cool Aid drinkers, Striderettes, tools, posers, and suckers. You've said that no one with any honor or integrity would buy from, invest in, or otherwise associate with, their company. You have purposely attempted to harm the Strider Knives company., not just Mick Strider and Duane Dwyer individually.

Claiming that this is solely about putting the information out there is entirely disingenuous as it has gone well beyond that. The ensuing discussion has been grotesque.
 
711432 said:
Of course that depends on what you call 'many'. Tens of thousands of views of one of the largest threads on one of the largest knife web sites and you had maybe, at most, 20 people say they'd changed their minds. Figure half those are just typical internet whinging.

If you saw the Strider table at Blade '07 (well after Spark's outing) you'd know that they won't miss 10 customers.

I can't say for sure, but I would be willing to bet that it cost more than 10 customers.

How will it become more widely known than it is now? Do you hold out hope that it will be picked up by one of the network news shows?

Word of mouth gets around, and this will get out to far more people than read this forum.

You and your friends here are. Your side has called Strider knife buyers Cool Aid drinkers, Striderettes, tools, posers, and suckers. You've said that no one with any honor or integrity would buy from, invest in, or otherwise associate with, their company. You have purposely attempted to harm the Strider Knives company., not just Mick Strider and Duane Dwyer individually.

No I have not.
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All I want to do is find out the truth. It may not be important to you, but it is to me. If all the things being posted about Mick and Duane aren't true then I hope that comes out. If it is true, I hope that comes out too.
 
RWS said:
Just out of curiosity, what unethical act by any company, whether it be Strider or any other successful company, do you think it would take for people to reconsider doing business with them any more?
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I don't think there is one. Union Carbide still conducts business. So does the Ford Motor Company. And Exxon. Texaco. Clearstream. Most of us likely own products produced in China. I wonder how many people here vetted the history of the diamond they bought for their wife.

If a company offers a product that the market demands (or creates that demand), at a suitable price, I can't imagine any act that would turn people away.
 
711432 said:
I don't think there is one. Union Carbide still conducts business. So does the Ford Motor Company. And Exxon. Texaco. Clearstream. Most of us likely own products produced in China. I wonder how many people here vetted the history of the diamond they bought for their wife.

If a company offers a product that the market demands (or creates that demand), at a suitable price, I can't imagine any act that would turn people away.
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Now that sounds a lot like the truth... Whats bad and Intolerable is absolutely tied to the observers perspective.
 
711432 said:
I don't think there is one. Union Carbide still conducts business. So does the Ford Motor Company. And Exxon. Texaco. Clearstream. Most of us likely own products produced in China. I wonder how many people here vetted the history of the diamond they bought for their wife.

If a company offers a product that the market demands (or creates that demand), at a suitable price, I can't imagine any act that would turn people away.
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Whoa!

I generally avoid these sorts of discussions ... but this is just too much for me. I can 'imagine' many, many acts that would turn me away.

I hope this is just a failure of your imagination. I hope you actually do have personal ethics and personal standards. I hope you wouldn't really buy a 'blood diamond' just because it was cheap.

It would be a sad old world if we really didn't give a da** about each other. :(

God, I hope the pendulum hasn't swung back that far. :eek:

EDIT: I see JB is an advocate of 'situational ethics.' I've had many an interesting discussion along these lines in a long career. I guess I see some of your point, JB ... but there are just some things I can't take, some 'situations' I find completely intolerable. I think this is probably true for everyone, although the nature of those 'situations' probably varies. I doubt we'll be able to have an 'interesting discussion' on this topic in the context of this thread!
 
What I, or you, or any of the other dozen people participating here, do or don't do is just an imperceptible blip on the daily sales graphs. What the somewhat nebulous 'market' chooses is what matters and it has largely chosen to ignore such things.

Which is my point. This entire thread and the previous one and the one at Tactical Forums and wherever else, have not significantly impacted the popularity of Strider Knives despite the fact that this was their purpose. You either haven't demonstrated your claims to anyone's satisfaction other than your own, or most people just don't care.
 
I don't think there is one. Union Carbide still conducts business. So does the Ford Motor Company. And Exxon. Texaco. Clearstream. Most of us likely own products produced in China. I wonder how many people here vetted the history of the diamond they bought for their wife.

If a company offers a product that the market demands (or creates that demand), at a suitable price, I can't imagine any act that would turn people away.
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Bottom line: I think most people care about posers and liars and until they're willing to come clean about it, most people won't want to do business with them.

Many companies make stoopid mistakes and then own up to those mistakes. They realize that the only way to successfully continue business is to admit wrong doing or admit to their careless or reckless judgment.

Most BODs of public companies with any credibility at all will fire its corporate leader's/executive management team for their slime ball tactics as fast as they can in order to preserve and salvage their company and its reputation as a result of management's unethical behavior, especially of this magnitude....as well they should.

From what I can tell, Strider made a huge mistake lying to people and has never owned up to it (except for the forced lawyer letter admitting to his BS in that lawsuit.)


Enron, Global Crossing, Authur Anderson, Qwest, WorldCom, Adelphia, Xerox all suffered substantial life altering, and unrecoverable financial loss along with tens of thousands of their employees and shareholders due to their unethical, lying BS. So, please for the sake of everyone who has been cornholed by some scumbag businessman BS artist and has lost everything they've worked a lifetime to obtain, don't act like nobody cares about lying, lowlife, self-serving business con men.
 
Everyone here, no matter what side you take in this matter or any other matter, I'd like to wish you all a happy New Year. :thumbup:
 
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend
heard from this guy who knows this kid
who's going with a girl
who saw Ferris pass-out at 31 Flavors last night.
I guess it's pretty serious……

Happy New Year to you all !
G2
 
Gary W. Graley said:
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend
heard from this guy who knows this kid
who's going with a girl
who saw Ferris pass-out at 31 Flavors last night.
I guess it's pretty serious……

Happy New Year to you all !
G2
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Ferris sounds like some sort of queer if you ask me.

Happy New Year, Gary! :)
 
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