Strider Knives, Game Over!

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Bubba,
Can you please ask them exactly what search criteria they used, I am unable to match their search results in the latest link you posted, also what search site they used? Thanks

Also This is on the bottom of every people finders report, like the one shown on their site under Dwyer/Poland. I guess POWNETWORK forgot to read it.

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peoplefinders.com has provided the following information to you pursuant to requirements of the Individual Reference Services Group and other state and federal laws, rules and regulations. As an authorized client and user of services by peoplefinders.com, you agree that you intend to use any and all information provided to you by peoplefinders.com and its employees ONLY for a use which will clearly cause no emotional or physical harm to a person who is a subject of the inquiry. You also agree that you will not, either personally or through your company, employer, or anyone else, use any information provided to you by peoplefinders.com or it's employees for credit granting, credit monitoring, account review, insurance underwriting, employment or any other purpose covered by the Fair Credit Reporting Act, 15 U.S.C. Sec. 1681 et seq, (FCRA), Federal Trade Commission interpretations of the FCRA, and similar state statutes.
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Hey Bubba, on the link you posted to the people search page Duane Dwyer is listed with two addresses, one of which is Strider Knives, Inc.
Poland and Tom Dwyer have identical addresses to each other none of which match the ones listed for Duane.

Why????? Thanks
 
I wonder if this degree of "military experience" deception created by what appears clear to be by both the owners of a knife company whose busisiness success was largely driven by the supposed heroic military reputations of the owners, and which must have attracted a substantial portion of Stider's customer base, will bring any type of class action lawsuit against them.

Is it really possible that their customers proudly own and carry in their pocket a nice and very expensive knife supposedly designed and made by what they all think are a couple military special ops weapons experts and war heroes, when in fact everything about them, including their names, might be made up?.....un-be-lievable...
 
Or could it possibly be that the knives in question stand on their own merits, are made of quality materials, heat treated by the best in the business, are copied under license by one of the last great American knife companies, and actually do a good job? As we've said before, the knives stand on their own merits.

I don't see how military experience will help much in designing a knife - there are few if any MOS's that depend on having a knife in combat, and the soldiers issued them are more likely to get a Camillus, Ontario, or even Benchmade with NSN, much less a Gerber multitool.

The anguish about trading off "elite military experience" for sales can only happen if the individual accepts said experience as actually having merit. They are probably more sucked into their own perception of hype - that combat experience is some kind of extreme school of knifemaking, or at least one where you learn what works and what doesn't. If anything, a combat soldier learning how to make good knives is more difficult - he's behind the power curve and getting to it late in life, specializing in a tool ignored in the service and not the first or second choice if at all possible.

Crikey, if being a combat veteran guaranteed sales and great knifemaking abilities, the market would be overrun with them. After all, their are literally a million vets now. So who's really sustaining the hype about it?

I see a lot of people trying to preserve their fantasy of military experience, because they don't actually have any.
 
Just a note for wolfmann601 on how those names are connected together (the Poland, Duane, Dwyer, etc.) with an example of how such searches work.

If you were to do a peoplefinder search on my name, you'd first find that I have several "AKA"s.

WHAT!?!?!?

But there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for this:

I am addressed by my middle name, and I have been varingly successful in getting that my middle name recognized by all sorts of entities - magazines, financial companies, mailing lists, etc. So my AKAs would show that those AKAs have lived at one address for the past X number of years...

Several names would appear - I can think of at least *SEVEN* variations of my name all corresponding to my one address over that X number of years. They would all show me to be near a certain age (if they had access to that information) but they would all be me.

The peoplefinder search wouldn't have to use any data that isn't public published or shared somewhere to get that. After all, I have no doubt that the we don't care about your "Privacy Policies" of credit card companies and mail order companies allow them to sell my information - excuse me, "share" my information - no matter what personal choice I've made about my privacy over the last few years...

From the information posted, I have come to the same conclusion as Spark has - either the connection of Duane - Dwyer - Poland means it is one person *or* some massive identity theft has and is currently taking place.

For the time frames given, *I* can only think that Occam's Razor applies.
 
tirod3 said:
Or could it possibly be that the knives in question stand on their own merits, are made of quality materials, heat treated by the best in the business, are copied under license by one of the last great American knife companies, and actually do a good job? As we've said before, the knives stand on their own merits.

I don't see how military experience will help much in designing a knife - there are few if any MOS's that depend on having a knife in combat, and the soldiers issued them are more likely to get a Camillus, Ontario, or even Benchmade with NSN, much less a Gerber multitool.

The anguish about trading off "elite military experience" for sales can only happen if the individual accepts said experience as actually having merit. They are probably more sucked into their own perception of hype - that combat experience is some kind of extreme school of knifemaking, or at least one where you learn what works and what doesn't. If anything, a combat soldier learning how to make good knives is more difficult - he's behind the power curve and getting to it late in life, specializing in a tool ignored in the service and not the first or second choice if at all possible.

Crikey, if being a combat veteran guaranteed sales and great knifemaking abilities, the market would be overrun with them. After all, their are literally a million vets now. So who's really sustaining the hype about it?

I see a lot of people trying to preserve their fantasy of military experience, because they don't actually have any.
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ByronTodd said:
From the information posted, I have come to the same conclusion as Spark has - either the connection of Duane - Dwyer - Poland means it is one person *or* some massive identity theft has and is currently taking place.

For the time frames given, *I* can only think that Occam's Razor applies.
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Very well said by both of you.......
 
tirod3 said:
Or could it possibly be that the knives in question stand on their own merits, are made of quality materials, heat treated by the best in the business, are copied under license by one of the last great American knife companies, and actually do a good job? As we've said before, the knives stand on their own merits.
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I've said it before, and I think this is why this whole story is so sad, Strider knives are very nice looking and well made, IMO.

I've come so close on a number of occassions to buying an SNG at Plaza Cutlery in my neck of the woods and ended up buying something else. I wish I had one.

I just hope that the stories end and they stop with the BS and just make knives without all the heroics being sold in the process.


I personally don't want to see their customers stop being loyal and I hope they get through this very embarrasing situation, but that may be a tough thing to do.
 
It has nothing to do with knife quality, knife's ability to handle hard use, knife's durability.

It has all to do with marketing.
 
Just a quick update to my post #616:

I just called Strider Knives. All their lines were busy, and I left a message asking Duane to call me back. I will keep you posted on further developments.
 
RWS said:
I wonder if this degree of "military experience" deception created by what appears clear to be by both the owners of a knife company whose busisiness success was largely driven by the supposed heroic military reputations of the owners
This might not be the case to the degree people paint. The knives do stand on their own.

Ed T

**I should have read further. Sorry to duplicate.
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RWS said:
busisiness success was largely driven by the supposed heroic military reputations of the owners, and which must have attracted a substantial portion of Stider's customer base, will bring any type of class action lawsuit against them.
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Any of the group here are free to bring legal action against them rather than just post about it. I doubt you'll scrape enough participants together to constitute any sort of class in the USA but you never know until you try.

If you do I'd enjoy finding out how the above 2 assertions would be proved. I bet the list of names on the Amicus briefs would look a lot like the list of thread starters Spark provided me.
 
RWS said:
I wonder if this degree of "military experience" deception created by what appears clear to be by both the owners of a knife company whose

busisiness success was largely driven by the supposed heroic military reputations of the owners, and which must have attracted a substantial portion of Stider's customer base, will bring any type of class action lawsuit against them.

Is it really possible that their customers proudly own and carry in their pocket a nice and very expensive knife supposedly designed and made by what they all think are a couple military special ops weapons experts and war heroes, when in fact everything about them, including their names, might be made up?.....un-be-lievable...
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711432 said:
Any of the group here are free to bring legal action against them rather than just post about it. I doubt you'll scrape enough participants together to constitute any sort of class in the USA but you never know until you try.

If you do I'd enjoy finding out how the above 2 assertions would be proved. I bet the list of names on the Amicus briefs would look a lot like the list of thread starters Spark provided me.
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Here you go again................. :jerkit:

711432, you left out the first part of the "quote" you posted by RWS....... you know, the part I made larger, underlined, and made BLUE in the re-quote above that puts it "back" in the context RWS said it..... ;)

Nice try.... :thumbup:

But ..... I don't remember reading here where RWS or anyone else here has mentioned bringing "legal action" ...... as you so aptly put it.

However, IF...... and I stress the word IF.... it does turn out that the company.... marketing and alleged LEO training classes were based on ...... shall we say..... untruths.

It has every potential, in our world today; to get...... very interesting in the "legal arena". Who even has a clue how it might turn out..... IF it ever happened. Certainly not I....... but I ... "gaaar-ron-T" ... it could get crazy. IMO of course.

Of course that is only my perspective..... and perspectives are like "rear ends" .... everybody has one.

BUT.... this we know, time will answer all our questions. Yours included.

And once again..... of course anyone here or anywhere else is free to bring "legal action" against anyone ...........

But, in this thread I fail to see where this has been threatened.

Please point it out to me if it has and I missed it.
 
Something that has remained unaddressed and kind of makes my curious: Duane's resume includes being a member of the Del Rey Oaks PD SRT. Del Rey Oaks is a small town adjacent to Monterey. They have a 6 man department. Why does a resident of San Diego County belong to an SRT, usually a high risk emergency response team, in Monterey County? The commute has to be a real bear. Response time might be tomorrow.

If they have a team that competes in various events and Duane is a heck of a shot, whether USMC sniper or not, he could help the team compete. With that commute my guess is that he is a reserve officer, and participates in SWAT team competitions. He's not their trainer, just a member and, it would appear a very intermittant one. Departments like to get the best team competitors they can. That might be the reason.

And while Del Rey Oaks PD has an SRT, realistically Monterey PD or County Sheriff would have a larger, full time SWAT that would deal with any problem.

Just curious.

Gene
 
Steve TARANI, KNIFE trainer and designer (Buck, Kerambit.com) is also a member of the high-speed, low drag department.

Currently sworn in the State of California and serving on staff as Senior Defensive Tactics and a firearms instructor for Del Rey Oaks Police Dept.,
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Sounds like a golf-course community with a chief that likes knives...
 
teacher said:
Here you go again................. :jerkit:

the part I made larger, underlined, and made BLUE in the re-quote
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Yes, your posts can be relied upon to make extensive use of the available formatting options. Edward Tufte would be as struck as I.

While RWS was innocently wondering whether a class action lawsuit would be formed against the Strider Knives company it occurred to me that, as this is the current base of operations, it is likely that those most harmed by the matter are right here among us. If a legal challenge with merit is to come, enough of them to form a class action, this would make a fine rallying point.

I would be interested in hearing the argument to prove his 2 assertions:
  • That the company's success was largely driven by the reputations of the owners
  • That those reputations attracted a substantial portion of the customer base

Of course later in the post the above substantial portion changes to 'all', but I've just used a bullet point list, so who am I to find fault in the prose of others?
 
I can't see any class-action style lawsuit going forward, or even benefiting anyone other than the lawyers involved. That said, I'm no lawyer, so that's not legal advice.
 
Micky said:
Bubba,
Can you please ask them exactly what search criteria they used, I am unable to match their search results in the latest link you posted, also what search site they used? Thanks

Also This is on the bottom of every people finders report, like the one shown on their site under Dwyer/Poland. I guess POWNETWORK forgot to read it.
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Well, it's interesting but all reference to "peoplefinders.com" has been recently scrubbed out of the records. It's good that reference has been downloaded and captured though.

It's a disgusting abuse of a records search and the way it has been used is in direct violation of their "terms of use" policy. But I guess it is okay for the "self-righteous and pure" to skirt legalities and policies, and to lie... because they are above everyone else. So cool, lets put someone's privacy at risk... lets possibly compromise the safety of an LEO AND his wife and children. And you all think this is fine? Holy toledo batman.

As an aside to all this, I have a question for Bubbanumber1 who seems to have intricate knowledge of the workings of pownetwork.org, as well as the new member here "pownet" that has been watching this thread closely (but not saying jack-shite)... my questions are as follows:

Why in recent days have the following people all been added to pownetwork.org's "roster" of people that need investigation, information as follows:

A VERY well known and respected carbine instructor is now under investigation by pownetwork.org... I have the documentation... are you kidding me? This guy is WAY above and beyond being questioned for his service and expertise.

Also, why did an "investigator" (term being used loosely) show up at Prado Range today with a picture of Darryl Bolke, declaring that they were there to "investigate" him (Darryl) on behalf of the pownetwork.org.

Mr. Bolke has never been and never claimed to be a member of the military. So how is it this website "dedicated to outing military posers" have now increased their scope to include non-military persons?

The common denominator regarding the above people is only two fold. (1) They have either been friends with or vocal supporters of Strider Knives; and (2) Kevin McClung perceives himself to be butt hurt by them in the past.

Where does this end?

We have what was "believed" to be a respected and legitimate organization (pownetwork) now taking on the role of personal "lynch mob" for another DIRECT business competitor to the primary target... but it gets even uglier as their "scope creep" goes on to others that have merely disagreed or had a falling out with Kevin McClung.

Bubba, pownet (who has never bothered to post), would love to hear a response and justification for the current abuse of power that is happening.

You all can condemn Mick and Duane until the cows come home, but for you to watch the rest of this unfold and turn a blind eye to it is the ultimate in hypocracy.

I would also like to know how pownetwork got Duane's SSN. POWnetwork says they ran the search via his service ID number....At the time he served, the service ID WAS the SSN. I would also like to know why not a single document provided has reflected his REAL date of birth. Hmmm... maybe August of this year... maybe October of that year. This is sloppy beyond belief when you are trying to harm a person AND their company.

But what I REALLY want to know, is why it is, if Kevin McClung doesn't like you, you are fair game for the pownetwork to investigate you.... whether you are in the scope of their "mission statement" or not.

Who's next? Me? Bring it.

m1
 
711432 said:
Yes, your posts can be relied upon to make extensive use of the available formatting options. Edward Tufte would be as struck as I.
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Yeah, I didn't want to let you down.......
It took an "old fart" like me forever to learn how to use some of these formatting options.... so I am dang well gonna use them ....... ;)

711432 said:
While RWS was innocently wondering whether a class action lawsuit would be formed against the Strider Knives company it occurred to me that, as this is the current base of operations, it is likely that those most harmed by the matter are right here among us. If a legal challenge with merit is to come, enough of them to form a class action, this would make a fine rallying point.

I would be interested in hearing the argument to prove his 2 assertions:
  • That the company's success was largely driven by the reputations of the owners
  • That those reputations attracted a substantial portion of the customer base

Of course later in the post the above substantial portion changes to 'all', but I've just used a bullet point list, so who am I to find fault in the prose of others?
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Hey, IF it came down to it I would be very interested to see how the assertions mentioned would be "proven" also.

But, since these two assertions seem to be only RWS just kinda "thinking outloud" as he was "innocently wondering" about this situation.......

I doubt these are the only two assertions legal professionals would make ........ IF it ever came time to do so that is.
 
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