Strider Knives, Game Over!

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RVNVET.........

Welcome to the forum......:thumbup:
I forgot to say that last night.

Also ...... I like your style. :thumbup:
 
RVNVET said:
Thank You Jose for the Welcome.

I agree with you to a certain degree. However, if I were the accused (Dwyer) I would be gathering every document and witness that I could muster in order to defend myself and prove my innocence. I would be posting information, explanations, making calls and gathering support in order to defend my self. I would not be closed mouth and pretending not to see the pink elephant.

I don't believe that it is our position to ask him for an appointment so he can explain his innocence. Dwyer should have already been standing on the soap box and screaming. I have read this entire thread Re: Duane and company and I have read the pow site. Personally, I have concluded that Dwyer is Poland and Poland is Dwyer. Either or both are one and is a fake.

As for the Sniper stuff, Certificates of Graduation from USMC Scout/Sniper School can be purchased on line at: http://military-certificates.com/ for $28.95. The certificates are complete with your name, rank and date of graduation. There are other cerificates available as well. Hell, you can be anything you want to be if you have the money.

There will always be fakes, frauds and posers. During the Viet Nam War there was approximately 2 million men serving with approximately 12% of those actually engaged in combat. Today there are less than 1 million Viet Nam Veterans still a live. But yet there are more than 10 million men claiming to be Viet Nam Veterans and course every one of those was in combat.

My big question is: Why does a Northern California Police Department employ a Southern California resident. Even as a Reserve Officer the distance is phenomenal. How would an SRT member respond to an emergency 350 miles away? I have my own opinions but you draw your own conclusions.

I see individuals defending Duane and saying great things about him. But my question is: How well do they really know him? Has there ever been a classmate from sniper school come forward to vouch for him? or a colleague assisting him from one of the other wazoo agencies that he's claimed to have been involved with?

I smell fraud and deception, and I believe he has lined his pockets from his stories. Until he has proven himself to be honest individual, I would not purchase or carry one of his products. There are way to many legitimate and honest knife makers available to have to deal with this type of controversy.

Its a shame that they built their business on a "LIE" and that the public had trust in them. Once again the public has been hood winked.
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You said you read this thread and the stuff on POW and concluded they are 1 and the same. Can you share how you came up with this. If it was through the people search you need to look at it more closly as they double posted the same record for both people.

Nothing on POWNETWORK attributes any of the comments to Duane Dwyer himself. If he didn't say them then he has nothing to defend. The fact that he was vetted for and presumably still is an LEO even after all of this would give some credance to this. As to his position in that dept. look at the posts on the previous page ref the same.

If the man is guilty then he needs to join the other fakes in that special place God reserves for such people. If he is just guilty of not correcting what "others" have said about him well, it may still wrong but no where near the same caliber as being a poser or a candidate for stolen valor. I have a feeling when this all washes out that you will find that some sleezy ad man or publisist gave him the background to spice up their own story and it just snowballed from there.
 
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying, Micky. It sounds like you're saying you "have a feeling" that years ago Mick & Duane hired a sleazy ad man who made up a story, and he and possibly other sleazy ad men they hired snowballed the story bigger and bigger year after year, and if your feeling turns out to be correct you would then feel Duane is "no where near the same caliber as being a poser or a candidate for stolen valor"?
 
Micky said:
Nothing on POWNETWORK attributes any of the comments to Duane Dwyer himself. If he didn't say them then he has nothing to defend.
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Just based upon the articles I have read in print magazines and business partner sites (Like Buck Knives) over the last few years, there has been soo much written about Duane the Sniper that there is no excuse to have not ever made any corrections. Maybe he has "Nothing to defend" but he does have something to explain. There is NO difference, in my mind, between saying these things yourself and standing by while article after article is written making claims that are not true.

Of course, there is a big difference between my opinion and something like a court case using the stolen valor act.

I keep hoping, as I do every time these kinds of things surface, that the accused will come forward and show some proof. Clear things up, once and for all.

There seems to be two sides to this issue. This particular one concerning Duane being a sniper, or not. There are many shades of gray in the middle, of what you believe or not from POWnetwork and the people finder site and all the rest, but it really boils down to those that believe POWnetwork, and those that believe the claims by/about Duane. Or to make it more clear cut, lets just say Pro Duane and Anti Duane.

I have a very serious question for the vocal Pro Duane people in this thread:

Do I understand correctly, that your overall take on this latest development is "Duane never said any of those things, someone else always said them"

I sincerely hope that someone has a better explanation than that. If that is the answer to this whole mess, then I don't see any reason to continue with these discussions any further. How sad.

Please, someone, tell me that this is not the best argument from the Pro Duane camp.

schiesz
 
Cougar Allen said:
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying, Micky. It sounds like you're saying you "have a feeling" that years ago Mick & Duane hired a sleazy ad man who made up a story, and he and possibly other sleazy ad men they hired snowballed the story bigger and bigger year after year, and if your feeling turns out to be correct you would then feel Duane is "no where near the same caliber as being a poser or a candidate for stolen valor"?
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Yes that is about what I am saying, weather he was hired or it was just someone writing an article and wanted to spice it up. Reason I think this might be the case in Dwyer's case is that as far as we know he is still an Auxillery LEO and I really can't see a dept in today's day and age with liability suits being what they are keeping someone if they had lied on their application or misrepresented themselves in any way to the dept. I have seen nothing that is quoted dirictly from Dwyer ever saying he was a marine, or that he was a Military sniper. It has all been third party. And yes while he would be guilty of not setting the record straight, he would not be a poser since he didn't say any of this himself or about himself. Isn't the major part of the Stolen Valor Act that you have to misrepresent yourself?
 
No one can or should argue that since Duane never said he was that he is not responsible for what's written, what's believed or what's said.

If true that Duane is not what is said he is then he is still a huge Poser and deserves to be treated as a mall Ninja wannabe because he is.

Of course if Dwyer/Poland are not connected and somehow proof that Duane is/did what's said he is/did then he is back to being a hero in my eyes. If he is a Poser and all his sniper marine heroics are bulldinky (Or Bull poop for the kiddies reading this :rolleyes:) then he should be ashamed of himself.
 
schiesz said:
Just based upon the articles I have read in print magazines and business partner sites (Like Buck Knives) over the last few years, there has been soo much written about Duane the Sniper that there is no excuse to have not ever made any corrections. Maybe he has "Nothing to defend" but he does have something to explain. There is NO difference, in my mind, between saying these things yourself and standing by while article after article is written making claims that are not true.

Of course, there is a big difference between my opinion and something like a court case using the stolen valor act.

I keep hoping, as I do every time these kinds of things surface, that the accused will come forward and show some proof. Clear things up, once and for all.

There seems to be two sides to this issue. This particular one concerning Duane being a sniper, or not. There are many shades of gray in the middle, of what you believe or not from POWnetwork and the people finder site and all the rest, but it really boils down to those that believe POWnetwork, and those that believe the claims by/about Duane. Or to make it more clear cut, lets just say Pro Duane and Anti Duane.

I have a very serious question for the vocal Pro Duane people in this thread:

Do I understand correctly, that your overall take on this latest development is "Duane never said any of those things, someone else always said them"

I sincerely hope that someone has a better explanation than that. If that is the answer to this whole mess, then I don't see any reason to continue with these discussions any further. How sad.

Please, someone, tell me that this is not the best argument from the Pro Duane camp.

schiesz
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I am neither pro Dwyer or anti Dwyer, I just want to see some plain concise facts.

First is Dwyer/Poland the same person.
Second if they are did Dwyer ever make these claims about himself.

Time will tell and I am sure we will hear about it. Dwyer is an LEO albeit an Auxiliary. I believe he has also been involved in training others through his company. If any of this turns out to be true on his behalf and not just third party claims, the legal repercussions will be loud enough that we all should know soon enough.

If on the other hand none of this happens then I would bet it is safe to say that while others either intentionally or unintentionally misrepresented his achievements that he was straight forward and honest in his dealings in the LEO world and his training business. what is the old axiom "If the legend is bigger than the truth print the legend".

Case in point; the stuff on Mick Strider has been out there for ever, yet Buck still uses it in their ads. Shouldn't they be held accountable for continuing to print stuff that Strider himself recanted in a sworn statement during a lawsuit. Does this mean we should go after Buck knives also for perpetuating the falsehoods to their financial advantage. http://www.buckknives.com/catalog/236#strider

Tactical Experts: Mick Strider, Duane Dwyer of Strider Knives
When Buck Knives began to develop a line of tactical knives, we turned to the best in the industry-former military Special Operations personnel Mick Strider and Duane Dwyer of Strider Knives. Both Strider and Dwyer have personally experienced dangerous situations and know what it takes for a knife to deliver when lives depend on it. With finely tuned details, high-end steels and virtually indestructible handles, Buck Strider Tactical knives deliver the dependable performance that is crucial for tactical and survival missions
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Jerry Hossom wrote this about a year ago, where did he get his info, he seem pretty sure of himself:

Hoever, something many people don't know and others have obscured in this discussion, Strider Knives isn't all about Mick. Duane Dwyer was a for sure Marine Scout Sniper with an impressive kill count
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Nyeti wrote similiar things, where they origionally heard it I can't say. An interesting note though since you brought up Jerry Hossom, he was very active in the last thread and has been totally absent in this one.

Only they can say weather Duane actually told them this or if they just read it/ heard it and assumed it was true. I have no idea if either of them knew Duane or Mick prior to Strider knives being started up or if they became friends after all of this was in circulation and just took it for fact.
 
It seems to me the easiest thing to do is ask the FBI or whoever to investigate whatever claims where made in reference to the stolen valor act. Then let the chips fall where they may.

Edit, I just checked the law and indeed the FBI are the ones who investigate.
 
I see individuals defending Duane and saying great things about him. But my question is: How well do they really know him? Has there ever been a classmate from sniper school come forward to vouch for him? or a colleague assisting him from one of the other wazoo agencies that he's claimed to have been involved with?
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No NEVER. Only knifemakers,collaborators and "buds" that have ridden the Strider gravy train of freebies, spiffs and endless quantities of Guinness and back slapping.

I have never seen anyone with as many "True Friends" as the STRIDER gang.
You have all been punked. Every last one of ya.
 
hardheart said:
For what agencies has Dwyer acted as a trainer?
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This is straight from POWNETWORK
CO-Owner
Strider Knives Inc.
Director
International Training and Operations Group, LLC
Special Response Team Member
Del Rey Oaks Police Department
Former United States Marine

They have to be training someone, unless it never got off the ground. POWNETWORK only prints current accurate info, correct.

RVNVET, just an interesting aside, I see the link you posted in your first post is part of the POLAND/DWYER package now. So which came first the chicken or the egg?
 
There is no difference in a person giving false statements about oneself and knowingly allowing someone else to make false statements about you and not correcting it. If you think Duane hasn't got copies of every article mentioning him, on his wall or in a scrapbook, think again. These are the same!

Now, a person showing false documentation of certification, schools, etc. is to engage in employment is guilty of a more heinous crime.
 
Doing a search on ITOG / International Training and Operations Group shows forum posts from 2002 time frame on stuff like Urban Conflict Resolution & such.

Two years ago Strider spun off a second company--International Training and Operations Group, LLC--to provide expert training and instruction to pro-American tactical groups. The company offers POST authorized courses as well as specialized instruction tailored to their client's needs.
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http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_173_29/ai_n7578410

Check this - http://forums.realpolice.net/showthread.php?t=8638
URBAN CONFLICT RESOLUTION - Course #1.2
A must for those concerned with their ability to handle real-world threats within ranges of less than 15 yards. This course provides the training solution necessary to ensure your personal safety in the event of your involvement in a life threatening situation. Open to both law enforcement and responsible civilian alike, this outstanding program provides the essential training elements of surviving close quarters fighting in an urban environment. Scope of study includes mindset, handgun (CQB training), impact and edged weapons training as well as ground survival techniques at extreme close quarters.
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So, searching for "urban conflict resolution" links to this:
Driving rain and gale-force winds prompted a change in the schedule - Defensive Tactics (DT) in the morning, and dry-fire training indoors in the afternoon instead of live-fire range time. Pat and Steve started by introducing themselves and giving some basic credential-type information ("if it's a federal agency with three letters at least one of which is a vowel, odds are we've done training for them"), as well as some background on ITOG itself.
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http://mywebpages.comcast.net/shooter2_indy/itog06.html
So, is Pat Rogers the carbine instructor in question under investigation? Did Dwyer train any of these federal agencies?
 
Well, if Duane doesn't actually perform any of the training, then I don't think there will be much investigation by the agencies, for better or worse. This would be good, however, as these leo could probably avoid liability even if Dwyer is found to have created/allowed a false bundle of info create his rep.
 
I think the thread has taken a bit of a turn in the last few pages that seems to be that Duane Poland and Duane Dwyer are in fact one and the same leaving little room for debate or question. This is fine if you think that personally I guess but I'd caution about making it public because its still up in the air on this. I'd advise leaving room for the doubt here.

I'm disturbed by a few things about the connection between Poland and Dwyer and the birthdates personally and although I know I have been anything but pro Duane according to many that support him I am sure not against him either and feel I have remained as objective as possible throughout all this.

One of the most disturbing things for me is that I've been told now by more than one person that they have celebrated Duane's birthday with him at a show and that it was neither in August or October when they did this. One person said that they celebrated the b-day twice on separate occasions on the same date. So once again we have room for doubt here as to the validity of what is out there at this time and its enough in my mind anyway to respect the man enough to give him the benefit of the doubt on this much and recognize that in a manner of speaking the jury is still out on a lot of this.

I would also not discount that the fact that Duane has not said anything about this means he is not in the works to do something. It strikes me that Duane is more a man of action than a man of words compared to Mick who posts a lot more so it would not surprise me at all if when Duane does come out with something and that it is direct and to the point finishing this in one fluid motion as opposed to the long drawn out affair with his business partner and his situation. I hope I'm correct on this because I would like to see him vindicated of these charges even if I don't agree with much of what goes on and has gone on otherwise in that camp.

STR
 
STR,
Thank you for once again being the voice of reason and caution in this matter.
Jim
 
people say how the maker act does not matter with knife.
but i feel so betrayed. i started playing knife with strider. and after i saw the law suit procedure with TAD gear. (which proved that mick was lied with his military carrier, he also accused the boss of TAD is not ex military and such)
me-- a crazy strider fan got mad . i sold out all my strider knives. how many i had?.
every (production) type of design with some customs. and i won't buy any more,(maybe only few early BOS heat treaded)
 
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