Strider Knives, Game Over!

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RNST said:
I am surprised there are not more of these threads versus other knife makers with dishonest business practices. Quite a few stories to tell on that side.
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Actually, there have been lots of them. If you know of any dishonest knifemakers, you should share that info with the rest of this community. You would be doing everyone a favour.
 
STR said:
I wish I could share what I have seen other than this but I cannot as I said I would not but for the record I am 100% convinced now that Duane Dwyer is in fact Duane Poland.
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unreal , instead of providing proof , you expect everyone to believe you just because you claim to be 100% convinced ?

With all due respect , with statements like that , it's no wonder you wont see a reply from D on this.
 
I don't get you John. All I said is that I am convinced. It says nothing more. I did not at any time say that I expect you or anyone else to believe anything because of anything that I believe. You read that into it.

STR
 
All of you quoting from Wikipedia; do you really believe everything you read that is posted there to be 100% accurate? There are lots of holes in their publication and they have had to retract plenty of material. Why not just quote from the National Enquirer?
 
Not talking just about post 903. All through the thread are posts referring to Wiki. Some people believe its the go to place for the real story and I was pointing out that they have had problems checking facts at Wiki.
 
The "Court of Public Opinion" is not a court of law. There is NO "burden of proof/standard of proof in the Court of Public Opinion." Each member of the public uses whatever standard he or she feels is fair -- if standards are thought about at all. So talk of "moral certainty" or "beyond a reasonable doubt" is as meaningless as a "preponderance of the evidence" -- when directed to others. It's only for each of us.

For a business, with very few exceptions, it really does matter what others think of the folks in that business - especially the top or "face" people. Forget specific reliance on military experience. A simple reputation as untruthful/unsafe/fake is more damaging than a reputation as honest is helpful. Bad news travels faster. That's as real as death itself. And it does not prevent damage if the reputation is untrue/unfair so long as it is believed.

As for silence as an admission, if this was a real court, the judge would tell the jury that they may infer guilt from a failure to deny guilt under circumstances where a person normally would be expected to deny guilt. (Even Dick Nixon came forth with the famous "I am not a crook." And then there is President Bill.) That rule of law is based on human experience, so it is regularly followed outside of courts. Argue all you want with the logic, it's one of the ways public opinion is formed.

I would not expect Mr. Dwyer to appear here given the past history. I leave it to others whether he should appear somewhere to deny the accusation of being a poser.

I am informed that Josh at Strider Knives will forward to Mr. Dwyer questions sent by email to StriderGuys[AT]Striderknives.com.
 
Duane called me a couple weeks ago, and asked if I could make a knife for one of his friends thats been trying to get one. We talked for almost an hour. He didnt mention this at all, we talked about the MMA stuff he's been doing, and caught up on everyday BS.
He sounded relaxed and busy as hell with what goes on everyday at Strider knives.
The point is he dont really care about this obviously or he would have said something.

I didnt ask him about it cause I had just found out about it myself and didnt think it was worth bringing up. SO if you all are sitting around waiting for Duane to show up and explain himself to you guys, I think you all have a bit of waiting to do. Maybe several hundreds of pages of you guys talking to yourselves might do it, who knows. Im sure you'll try and see.

Maybe you should contact some of the people Duane hangs out with like Chuck Mawhinney, or Max Joseph, etc.. Maybe they could tell you about Duane and what he is cablable of or not, and if they think any different of him in light of this "information" On second thought they probably wouldnt take your calls now would they?
 
Thomas Linton said:
As for silence as an admission, if this was a real court, the judge would tell the jury that they may infer guilt from a failure to deny guilt under circumstances where a person normally would be expected to deny guilt.
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True Internet Grade legal advice, well worthy of taking its place in this thread.

The idea that a judge presiding over a court in the US would instruct a jury, not just allow the prosecution to comment, mind you, but actually instruct them himself, that they may infer guilt because a defendant exercised a right protected by the 5th amendment.
 
Trace Rinaldi said:
The point is he dont really care about this obviously or he would have said something.
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Sorry but I don't buy that. I think it would be human nature to remain silent. A person that's been a chronic liar about their past, as Duane apparently has been, is very capable and likely to not discuss others' attempts to uncover their past sins.

By the way, I didn't know who you were before you posted, but checked out your website and think you make some nice knives.
 
Trace Rinaldi said:
Duane called me a couple weeks ago, and asked if I could make a knife for one of his friends thats been trying to get one. We talked for almost an hour. He didnt mention this at all, we talked about the MMA stuff he's been doing, and caught up on everyday BS.
He sounded relaxed and busy as hell with what goes on everyday at Strider knives.
The point is he dont really care about this obviously or he would have said something.

I didnt ask him about it cause I had just found out about it myself and didnt think it was worth bringing up. SO if you all are sitting around waiting for Duane to show up and explain himself to you guys, I think you all have a bit of waiting to do. Maybe several hundreds of pages of you guys talking to yourselves might do it, who knows. Im sure you'll try and see.

Maybe you should contact some of the people Duane hangs out with like Chuck Mawhinney, or Max Joseph, etc.. Maybe they could tell you about Duane and what he is cablable of or not, and if they think any different of him in light of this "information" On second thought they probably wouldnt take your calls now would they?
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To be honest I'm surprised you bothered to comment like this. You seem to take a very light weighted view on the matter at hand and that matter is people have used heavy weight titles like, Special Operations, Marine Scout Sniper, Ranger, to advertise their wares for sale, Mick even claimed they were both Combat Veterans right here on Blade Forums,


Originally Posted by Mick Strider View Post
Okay now lets just get this over with...Both myself and my partner Duane, are combat vets. REAL combat vets. Whatever that may mean, I guarantee we qualify. Nearly every male I know, is involved in what people like to call Spec-Ops. We have thousands of knives in the hands of operators all over the world. That feedback, along with law enforcement feedback, is what drives our company.
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If you tell me you were Army or a Marine, I wont question it, If you tell me your Army or Marine and try to sell me something I will question it. If you tell me your a Sniper, Ranger, or Special Operations, I will ask around, If you tell me your Special Operations and try to sell me something I will dig around. If you tell me your a Combat Vet and try to sell me something you better be able to back your shit up with documentation.

I guess the good news is if Duane likes to ask people to go outside, eventually he will ask the right person. The bad news is Real Combat Vets are currently under fire on foreign ground, Mick Strider cant back his shit up, and it seems Duane cant either? I'm going to stop typing here, because anything else I have to say would just be a long list of curse words.
 
711432 said:
True Internet Grade legal advice, well worthy of taking its place in this thread.

The idea that a judge presiding over a court in the US would instruct a jury, not just allow the prosecution to comment, mind you, but actually instruct them himself, that they may infer guilt because a defendant exercised a right protected by the 5th amendment.
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The common statement that the 5th Amendment creates a "right to remain silent" is unfortunate. The better expression is that it recognizes a God-given right not to be compelled to be a witness against yourself.

In contrast, both the English Common Law and U.S. law have recognized that uncompelled silence may be sometimes used as evidence.

In the U.S., you must read "no penalty" rule of Doyle v. Ohio together with the clear holding of Jenkins v. Anderson; vis that the Defendant's pre-Miranda Warning silence may be used against the Defendant at trial and considered by the jury as evidence of guilt under certain circumstances.

So, for example, if a neighbor came on the scene of a homicide and found the defendant there, knife in hand, and near the bloody victim, his testimony that the defendant remained silence when the witness said, "271345, you killed her!!!" MIGHT be allowed into the record.

As to "circumstances" and "MIGHT," I tried to shorthand that (and did pretty well) into "circumstances where a person normally would be expected to deny guilt." After all, this is the Internet. Want more? Here's Florida's highest court in a typical pronouncement:

If a party is silent, when he ought to have denied a statement that was made in his presence and that he was aware of, a presumption of acquiescence arises. Not all statements made in the presence of a party require denial. The hearsay statement can only be admitted when it can be shown that in the context in which the statement was made it was so accusatory in nature that the defendant's silence may be inferred to have been assent to its truth. To determine whether the person's silence does constitute an admission, the circumstances and the nature of the statement must be considered to see if it would be expected that the person would protest if the statement were untrue. Several factors should be present to show that an acquiescence did in fact occur. These factors include the following:

1. The statement must have been heard by the party claimed to have acquiesced.
2. The statement must have been understood by him.
3. The subject matter of the statement is within the knowledge of the person.
4. There were no physical or emotional impediments to the person responding.
5. The personal make-up of the speaker or his relationship to the party or event are not such as to make it unreasonable to expect a denial.
6. The statement itself must be such as would, if untrue, call for a denial under the circumstances. The essential inquiry thus becomes whether a reasonable person would have denied the statements under the circumstances.
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(I didn't know which state to pick for you.)

As anyone who has tried a case or been a jurior knows, the Court instructs the jury about use of ALL evidence, and would instruct them about the concept of drawing an "inference" from the silence of the defendant. This would include an instruction that they could, but are not required to, draw the inference. The defense attorney would demand such an instruction to try to prevent the jury from giving too much weight to the silence (and, as here, do all that could be done with evidence and argument to minimize it). Silence is powerful.

This instructing requires some care, because no use may be made of silence post-Miranda warnings. How juries juggle all this (read to them a mile-a-minute in some state courts) is akin to a miracle, like "forgeting" something they have already heard merely by being told that they must "disregard" it.

If anything I said or failed to say suggested to anyone that a defendant might be convicted solely on silence, my reading is that such an outcome is unlikely given the high standard of proof required.

I never thought of analogizing Mr. Dwyer to a post-Miranda Warning Defendant. So I think it is fair to at least to consider if a normal person (the mythical "normal person") would deny the accusations under all of the circumstances.
 
Originally Posted by Mick Strider View Post
Okay now lets just get this over with...Both myself and my partner Duane, are combat vets. REAL combat vets. Whatever that may mean, I guarantee we qualify. Nearly every male I know, is involved in what people like to call Spec-Ops. We have thousands of knives in the hands of operators all over the world. That feedback, along with law enforcement feedback, is what drives our company.
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Great post Mick!!!!! A little too much Guiness that night???

Carjacking is not combat Mick. Its a felony.

Last time I checked, Digital Data was not a combat arms MOS.

Maybe it was the fierce combat at Del Rey Oaks between the golfers and the tennis players?

Maybe? Maybe you should take your money and all your cord wrap and go do something else because now you are done. Bye.
 
Bubbanumber1, you and the Teacher got your heads on straight. You both are Right On...

I wonder if the public is aware that the men and women who work on posting frauds, phoneys and posers are former POW's, former SEALS, former SOG members, former Green Berets, etc. Go to: www.macvsog.cc or www.veriseal.org and of course www.pownetwork.net. These men and women do not get paid for their time or reimbursed for their expenses. Everyone involved with these organizations does this work for the benefit of each and every one of us. Why is it so hard for some to believe that a person could embellish his service record or that a person could out and out lie about being in the service at all.
Go to these sites and look at the people who have lied and got caught. They come from all walks of life, rich and poor.
There is enough evidence right here on this forum to convince a jury that both of these individuals are liars and a fraud. I am sure the FBI will get involved with this case because of the "Stolen Valor Act". I guess time will tell who is telling the truth.
This is not the first case of this type of deception nor will it be the last. Nobody wants to believe that their friend my be a poser but come on, get real and open your eyes.

Instead of asking everyone to prove their theory, ask your friend to provide some documentation to disprove their theory. Documents show Dwyer was not and is not a Graduate from the USMC Scout/Sniper School. Look at the records. If Dwyer is a Reserve Police Officer I'd be curious to know if he is P.O.S.T Certified and where he attended the Academy. It would also be interesting to know what Del Ray Oaks PD has to say about this.

Open your eyes and minds.... Don't close them because of friendship.
 
Maybe you should contact some of the people Duane hangs out with like Chuck Mawhinney, or Max Joseph, etc.. Maybe they could tell you about Duane and what he is cablable of or not, and if they think any different of him in light of this "information" On second thought they probably wouldnt take your calls now would they?
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This is where the disconnect occurs, Trace.
I have been in the gun and knife industry, directly and indirectly for 15 years. I have met a LOT of real people who do bad things to bad people, a lot of trainers and "gurus".
Some of them are hardcore, meat eating killers. Some of them are good trainers. Some of them have seen the elephant. Some of them are my peers and we talk regularly and converse.

My association with them proves NOTHING about me. Just because I speak their language when it comes to knives, guns, shooting, training whatever means NOTHING. I am not and will never be an OPERATOR.

Is Ernest Emerson a SEAL because he has trained them in combatives?
Hell No.
And Ernie would never suggest it.

The gun and knife industry is full of frauds and BS artists who plant their bogus "high speed low drag" seal of approval to sell crap to folks that they don't really need in most cases.

Hmmmm...Now where did I put my Tiger striped, cordwrapped
Tomahawk-kerambit with built in hydration supply................
 
I doubt the Stolen Valor Act will be invoked without someone stepping up and saying "yeah, they told me [x]" after it was signed. I don't know what the statutes of limitations would be on this sort of thing anyhow, but much like a class action lawsuit, I think it'd probably be largely wasted effort.
 
Keith Montgomery said:
Anthony, where did that post come from?
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http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1231694&postcount=27

10-02-2000, 6:22 PM

Okay then...

Memnoch... should have kept that knife. WP's were all one of a kind knives. Collectors are eating em up.

Tom... what the hell are you talking about? Get a grip weirdo...

Cliff... the knife was jammed between the lock bar and mechanism housing. The lock was forced apart.

XRAYED...
"I have made combat knives for the last 11 years and every REAL combat vet that I have met has a real personal attachment to their knife."

Um...what?... I would be interested in having you quantify what you mean by REAL combat vet. Then tell me how being attached to your knife applies to this topic.

"Kraton gets slippery when you have bug spray or oil on your hands, and para cord would have never stood up to months of exposure in the rain and mud of Southeast Asia."

Um...what?... Is this because Para-cord is completely synthetic and does not have the capacity to rot or mildew? Or because the quote "owner" didn't take care of his gear? Nope you already said he had a knife "made properly", by a Turkish sward smith (I have to say, I'm laughing as I type this) who hammered out some Fu@#ing leaf spring and put some leather washers stacked up...I'm sorry Sir but that is very funny. I'm not trying to be rude here, but were talking about tools. I'm sure your buddies knife is a treasure. And many blades are. I'm sure the knives you make are exceptional. Carbon Knives with leather washers were "the ****" 25 years ago.
Lets move on. No your buddy took care of his gear. Good soldiering. So why again wouldn't cord last? Because your friend doesn't like cord.

"Im my experience, SWAT type cops are not the best input for that type of design consideration. True combat vet usually are. Unfortunately, they are few and far between. The best that we can usually do is to find a SEAL or that has participated in mostly overnite ops.....not the best way to test a knife."

Um...what?...In exactly WHAT experience? Firstly, "SWAT type cops" face hardship and danger EVERY day. Their life is a domestic war. What are you thinking? They work with knives on a regular basis. They are a great test bed.

Okay now lets just get this over with...Both myself and my partner Duane, are combat vets. REAL combat vets. Whatever that may mean, I guarantee we qualify. Nearly every male I know, is involved in what people like to call Spec-Ops. We have thousands of knives in the hands of operators all over the world. That feedback, along with law enforcement feedback, is what drives our company.

When did we start talking about grip comfort?

Thanks for your posts

MS
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Trace Rinaldi said:
The point is he dont really care about this obviously or he would have said something.
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That's unfortunate. If it were me, I'd want to either set the record straight or apologize to people who felt taken advantage of. However, I don't have scores of apologists to run interference and obfuscate.

Trace Rinaldi said:
I didnt ask him about it cause I had just found out about it myself and didnt think it was worth bringing up. SO if you all are sitting around waiting for Duane to show up and explain himself to you guys, I think you all have a bit of waiting to do.
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Again, that is unfortunate, as I'm sure several of his fans post here, and not just in his defense.

Trace Rinaldi said:
Maybe you should contact some of the people Duane hangs out with like Chuck Mawhinney, or Max Joseph, etc.. Maybe they could tell you about Duane and what he is cablable of or not, and if they think any different of him in light of this "information"
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Name dropping aside, you don't sound as though you doubt the "information." Do you believe the information that POWnet provided is inaccurate (BTW, I'm quite sure you won't answer that question)?

Trace Rinaldi said:
On second thought they probably wouldnt take your calls now would they?
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Am I to infer that you mean that if I were to portray myself as a Spec-Ops Operator, they might?

Regards,
3G
 
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