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Discussion in 'FEEDBACK: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly!' started by Bubbanumber1, Dec 16, 2007.

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  1. Thomas Linton

    Thomas Linton

    Jun 16, 2003
    So is disclosing the redacted information "disclosure of [information] . . . which is prohibited by this section or by rules or regulations established thereunder"?

    If not, then the quoted language is relevant how? Please explain.

    If so, then someone at POWNET is in trouble.
     
  2. Tamishigiri

    Tamishigiri

    667
    Aug 22, 1999
    This will be my last and ONLY comment regarding this matter:


    Trace Rinaldi writes:

    "I was told just the other day by a good friend that would know that Max had told him Duane was the real deal."


    =================================================================================================


    NEGATIVE, MAX has confirmed via email and has NEVER said Duane was GTG.


    =================================================================================================

    END of story PERIOD.
    :barf:
     
  3. RVNVET

    RVNVET

    46
    Jan 6, 2008
    I believe that the POWNETWORK filed the FOIA paperwork with both names: Duane Dwyer and Duane Poland using the same Service Number. A response returned on: Duane Poland "ONLY". Keep in mind, the same service number for two different names.

    I have ran Duane Dwyer and Duane Poland through ZABA, Yahoo and People Search and came up with identical information, "ie" addresses that include the identical years at each location, and again using two different names but receiving the same information.

    Whatever name you plug for the information, the results are the same. Dwyer is Poland and Poland is Dwyer.......

    Again, why does the POWNETWORK need to prove anymore? What are Duane's responsibilities? He doesn't even make the slightest effort to exonerate himself. Instead he buries his head in the sand, Which is exactly what all Posers should do....... Lets throw up: Sniper, Real Combat Veterans, High Kill Counts. Go to the VA Hospital and tell Duanes stories to our soldiers coming back from Iraq. Whatta Joke.
     
  4. wolfmann601

    wolfmann601 Gone, but not forgotton. RIP Ira.

    Mar 12, 2001

    Here we go again!!! Come on Lance you know how important this is, post the freaking E-mail from Max......................PERIOD:D

    RV, do you KNOW that they ran both names or are you presuming???
     
  5. wolfmann601

    wolfmann601 Gone, but not forgotton. RIP Ira.

    Mar 12, 2001
    Kevin, could you kindly show me (or link it) where it says they used Dwyer's SSN? This would answer most of my questions.Thanks
     
  6. RVNVET

    RVNVET

    46
    Jan 6, 2008
    Wolfmann601,

    I was not there when the POWNETWORK filed the paper work under the FOIA. However, you can see by the postings at POWNETWORK that all names are linked together. St. Louis cannot send Military Records belonging to: Duane Dwyer to the POWNETWORK or to anyone for that matter if there was NEVER a Duane Dwyer in the Military. The serial number for Poland is Dwyer. If there was never a Duane Dwyer in the Military, then how did he, to quote: Become a USMC Sniper, with a HUGE body count. And how did he become a REAL Combat Veteran? If Dwyer is NOT Poland then Dwyer is a Myth and NEVER existed.

    Like any good Investigator, the POWNETWORK or VeriSEAL are not going to give up their sources, or other materials/information needed for the completion of the investigation.
     
  7. Cougar Allen

    Cougar Allen Buccaneer (ret.) Gold Member

    Oct 9, 1998
    Go to http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies365.htm and scroll down just a little and look in the left column:

    The Records request was
    filed under his service
    number.... and the name
    on the request was

    "POLAND, Duane aka
    Thomas Duane /Duane
    Thomas Dwyer" - NO
    legal, court issued name
    change can be located.

     
  8. Jim G.

    Jim G.

    840
    Oct 2, 2006
    This would be kind of asinine, the only info that will return is for that social security number, no matter what name you requested. It kind of guarantees the results before hand wouldn't you say? Since Dwyer never gave them authorization to search his records via his SS number, how do we know that the people that sold it to POWNETWORK got it right.


    Damn even Micky Mouse's, now i am really disheartened. J/K Please post the info you received with active links, I am sure it will be very illuminating and clear this right up. I know the people search info posted on Pow network is wrong, they posted Poland's info twice. when i ran Dwyer's name there the only mention of Poland was as a possible relative and it only showed 1 residential addr in common with different dates of residence.

    Because they haven't proved anything yet.

    if he is guilty there isn't much he can do. If he is innocent I hope he is following the advice of a good lawyer who is handling this for him.

    Are these people babies, that we need to tell them bed time stories. Instead we should listen to their stories with respect and thanks, and who knows we might even learn something from them.
     
  9. RVNVET

    RVNVET

    46
    Jan 6, 2008
    Outstanding Cougar, I was looking for that and couldn't find it. The Dwyer information package is getting so thick we will need to build a data base to contain it.
     
  10. RVNVET

    RVNVET

    46
    Jan 6, 2008
    Micky, I am begining to believe you are in love with Duane, or have some type of underlying relationship with him. I have only seen spouses protect their signifcant others in the way you protect Dwyer.

    I am wondering what your relationshiip is with him? Has he prommised you a job? a piece of the business? or?

    I can't believe that you cannot see the connection. If you haven't seen it by now, there is no point in explaining anymore.

    Whats the point?
     
  11. Jim G.

    Jim G.

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    Oct 2, 2006
    Seeing a connection and proving 1 are 2 different things. To many people have said Now I believe, i have seen the light, but I can't show it to you. Maby what ever top secret intel that is floating around ought to be brought out into the light and see if it survives on its own.

    if you actually research what it takes to make a FOIA for a living service members records, it is almost impossiable to get any meaningfull info without part 3 of the form 180 signed by that member.

    This is a link to the form and instructions for filling it out.
    http://www.archives.gov/research/order/standard-form-180.pdf
     
  12. DXC

    DXC

    50
    Dec 20, 2004
    Give it a rest with the personal stuff.
     
  13. Thomas Linton

    Thomas Linton

    Jun 16, 2003
    Without the signature, you can only get "limited information." Isn't that what is on the POWNWT site - limited information that shows, at the least, something of Marine "Poland's" record?
     
  14. Cougar Allen

    Cougar Allen Buccaneer (ret.) Gold Member

    Oct 9, 1998
    So, what's the current theory? Two different people, different people with different social security numbers, one named Duane Thomas Dwyer and the other named Thomas Duane Poland, shared the same address, pownetwork got the social security number for Thomas Duane Poland and thought it was Duane Thomas Dwyer's social security number? So they got Thomas Duane Poland's military record which has nothing to do with Duane Thomas Dwyer's military record? And neither of them has pointed out the mistake because ... they're being chased by a pterodactyl? Or maybe two pterodactyls, chasing them separately ... both being chased by the same pterodactyl might be too much of a coincidence....

    (Reference Man blames car wreck on prehistoric winged reptile but it's probably not really very relevant.)
     
  15. Jim G.

    Jim G.

    840
    Oct 2, 2006
    yes it shows part of marine polands record. Looks like he was a good Marine. There is nothing showing they made a seperate request for Dwyer's records except their say so. All I am asking is they put up copies of the Form 180's they used to make the various requests it would have taken to show Dwyer was either never a Marine or that if he was what his MOS was, or that Poland's record is actually his . with the "service" number redacted along with a copy of the follow up letter.

    Anyone who has delt with Government forms knows that everything is run by SS if one is given. If they lumped all the names onto 1 request with only 1 SS# they automatically skewed the results. There needed to be at least 2, if not 3 seperate requests made.

    1 under the SS number
    1 under Dwyer's name with no SS
    1 under Poland's name with no SS

    Cougar no therory at all, still just looking for a straight line from A to B with out the smoke and mirrors.
     
  16. STR

    STR Knifemaker/Moderator Moderator

    Aug 27, 2004
    When did this become a thread about POWnetwork proving anything more? Have we forgotten that Duane has some proving to do of his own?

    No one at POWnetwork is in trouble. Since when does filing a FOIA request require permission? You know guys I could get the social of anyone of you for $35 and its legal. No law says I can't or that you can't. I guess you missed that when I said it earlier. There is no law that forbids the buying, searching or using a SS# once you have it. Everything was done through NPRC and the records request was done within the legal limits of the law for filing a FOIA request for records just like a potential employer could do to any of us before hiring us, or a magazine could before writing an article about you. Think how things would have gone if Mr. W.W. Wright had thought to take advantage of that before writing his article in Tactical Knives in May of 1999. NPRC would not have handed POWnetwork what they gave them if it wasn't a legal request. Case closed.

    Let me tell you something about military records. They belong to all of us not just one individual person. My wife is retired military. Any one of you can access her pay records and find out exactly what she gets paid per month on her pension or you can find out the rank of someone active and how many years they have served and there is a web site that will tell you exactly how much they are earning.

    The government has established guide lines for this that they need to follow and it was done to the letter by both POWnetwork and the NPRC.

    On the issue of calling up one of Duane's friends for their verification about what he is capable of and what he has done or anything else. That is bogus! At best its hearsay but lets just take a look around at what its done for those that have already stood up for the guy.

    Everyone of the guys that stood up for Duane now has egg on their face. Oh they may not want to admit that and oh I know I know, no one is affected by it. It doesn't bother them yeah yeah yeah I've heard all that. Right! You know what? Thats BS and everyone knows it! It burns them up inside and you know it too guys. Think about it. You are now quoted on the record in writing no less as saying someone has a confirmed kill count, an impressive one even. Yet you don't know that for a fact and based the statement completely on blind faith. Then it comes back to you that uh oh! It may not be the case and it sure appears it was not. Now what? Duck and run, or distance yourself from the situation and hope it goes away? I guess if all else fails thats the only thing you can do because whats done is done.

    Suppose you say ''Duane is the real deal" or that he is a confirmed combat vet, or that he worked with this organization or that and you get called on it to find out where you heard it what do you do now? Well, I imagine you could go the, "I heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who heard it from a guy that would be the one to know routine" and hope it flies for you once again or you might go with the, "I have nothing to do with the DOD or Strider knives, routine right off the bat and decide thats the best way to close the book on it for yourself" so you 'duck and run' distancing yourself from the situation either way. If you think this doesn't bother these honorable men that stuck their own neck out for Duane think again. I guarantee you it does concern them, and my guess is that some of them are probably hot about it but not showing it yet! I'd say a slow boil still has to blow eventually though but I guess time will tell on that.

    So what have we learned from this? Apparently nothing much for some because the supporters still want you to call up yet another few gents to get them to smear some egg on their face now as if they don't already have enough good names already drawn into this mess (and probably regretting it). All I can say is, 'good luck with that effort from now on!'



    STR
     
  17. Jim G.

    Jim G.

    840
    Oct 2, 2006
    STR since you know so much about Military records and FOIA requests are you stating that it would only take 1 request with 2 or 3 different names on it to get the records of all. Or would they just pull the records for the 1 social security number supplied?

    You were neutral in all this now all of a sudden you have seen private info that verifies all of this that you are unable to show. If the info is out there to take this from pointA to Point B in a logical concise manner why dosn't some one show us once and for all?
     
  18. STR

    STR Knifemaker/Moderator Moderator

    Aug 27, 2004
    Believe me I'd love to show it! Its not my place and I really don't much care if anyone else believes me or not. I had to know for myself. I do now.

    I'm saying if you obtain the SS# which is very easy to do you can file the request on the number with no name at all. Any names or alias used by that individual will come up.

    I found it. So can you. Thats all I can say.

    I'll tell you something else though. All this caused me to pull out my own records from my Air Force days. I never noticed before but I sat down and counted up all the social security numbers that appear in my orders from when I joined the service. You know the day I went on the bus to Pittsburg PA for my physical every last person that was at that facility that day shows up on the papers I got back and they got copies of this just like I did. On that one sheet alone from the day of my physical there are over 40 names and social security numbers right beside the names on those orders.

    All total I got up to 82 socials before I quit counting. Some of these folks I know and served with at Scott AFB. Others were from Sheppard, from Lakeland, or from before I was actually in when I was in processing. Most of them I have no idea who they are where they are or anything else about them, yet I have their ID number and they have mine. I doubt we've even ever spoken to each other. This is just one simple 4 year contract for active duty in the Air Force. Imagine a 20 plus year term of duty. Its not that hard to figure. Let me help you out there.

    My wife retired with 22 years in active duty. She has literally 500 plus SS #'s referenced throughout training over her career. These show up on orders, classes you name it. If they printed orders for it and you attended something with more than one person they put it all out there and shared it with every other member that went with you. I found SS numbers from guys that showed up the same day I did for 'base detail'. Did you guys have that where you put on your fatiques, show up for work and go out around the base picking up trash and other odd jobs where you were cycled through having to do it like once a year? We did that at Scott and I did it three times. Each time I had orders printed. Each time everyone else got the same orders and we all got each others IDs on them shared between us.

    These numbers can be found at the local property tax office, they can be found in any number of other places. Just using Google I found that 41 states and DC all post SS numbers in any number of 'public records' and this can be anything from court records to your local property tax records or real estate holdings records. It is not hard to find them. In fact its so easy I can't see why anyone would need to pay to get one unless it was from multiple states away from you.

    Want more? They issue these on your medicaid cards. Some insurance cards, all government IDs and people still have them as their drivers license number and print them on their checks.

    STR
     
  19. Cougar Allen

    Cougar Allen Buccaneer (ret.) Gold Member

    Oct 9, 1998
    I am confused again. I thought the reason for having social security numbers was because names change, and your social security number doesn't. It works much better to identify people by a unique number and then you can look them up and find all their records in one place, and you don't have to make separate lookups for Duane T. Dwyer and Duane Dwyer and Duane Thomas Dwyer and Thomas D. Dwyer and every variation you can think of plus more you don't know about.

    Now you're saying that's not true? The Pentagon doesn't file records by service number? A Marine might have multiple names in the Pentagon records and the only way to get all the records for that person is to write a separate request for each of the different names that the Pentagon has his records filed under? You can't even combine the names for one person in one request; you have to fill out all the forms all over again for each different name? You have to file both using each name with the service number and without it or you might miss something? :confused:

    Let's leave aside the question of why Duane hasn't dropped in to say, "Oh, you have to file the request using the name "Duane T. Dwyer Jr." to get the record showing I was a Marine Sniper with an impressive kill count and trained with every secret squirrel outfit in the world, you stoopid goofs -- you don't get that part unless you add the Jr. WITH the period, otherwise the Pentagon can't find my records" -- let's not get into that, the revelation that the Pentagon apparently has a lot of different files for one person under different names with and without their service number is mind-boggling enough for now without getting into that too....
     
  20. 3Guardsmen

    3Guardsmen

    Mar 16, 2005
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