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Strider Knives, Game Over!

Discussion in 'FEEDBACK: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly!' started by Bubbanumber1, Dec 16, 2007.

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  1. roughedges

    roughedges

    Oct 3, 2004
    Thats pretty much exactly the response I expected. I should have written my prediction down and taken a picture.

    Do you think I would have given my reasons for editing honestly, and given you the ammunition that you've so glibly painted red, if I was worried about becoming what I behold?


    I have not done much with my life but at least I see no need to overinflate my accomplishments and sic my eager sycophants on anyone and everyone who even remotely comes close to calling me out on my nonsense.



    There, I saved you the trouble should you choose to respond to me again.
     
  2. hardheart

    hardheart

    Sep 19, 2001
    well, he isn't going to post in this thread again.

     
  3. roughedges

    roughedges

    Oct 3, 2004
    That'd be nice. :)

    __________



    I understand standing by one's friends, and can respect it. For myself, if a friend of mine has been wronged or attacked I will defend them to my last breath. But, if a friend of mine has done wrong, really wrong and not just some petty BS, I will call him on it man to man, friend to friend. At that point, he'll either rectify the situation or, having seen his true measure, I'll move on and we'll no longer be friends. Thats how I see it anyway but a lot of people, apparently, see things differently.


    All of this would be a non-issue ,in my opinion, if Strider and Dwyer fessed up about all of this, if they took responsibility and admitted that it snowballed into a situation entirely beyond their control. It would take a lot of balls to man up and do that, real courage. And I, for one, and I'm certain a great many others, would truly respect it.

    But, as things stand now, with a resounding silence from them, and nothing but drum beating and chest pounding from their defenders, it sure seems more and more to me like they willingly and knowingly lied and decieved both their friends as well as their customers. There is nothing honorable in that, imo. And nothing worth defending.
     
  4. Thomas Linton

    Thomas Linton

    Jun 16, 2003
    Because you judge others for their conduct in this thread, do not forget the admonition: "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment" (John 7:24).

    The issue here is appearance vs. reality.

    What do YOU add to the process of reaching a righteous judgment regarding Mr. Dwyer's life experiences?
     
  5. qpuf

    qpuf

    65
    Oct 24, 2005
    This might be a stupid question, but how is this thread related to what is described in the sub-heading of this forum?
    "This is your area to tell about your experiences(Good or Bad) with dealers, sellers, and individuals you've bought, sold, and traded with"

    Unless someone is discussing what's quoted above, what's the deal? I mean really, what is it? I can read that's there are questions about the pasts of teh Strider owners, but unless they didn't do you wrong in a business transaction, I don't quite get it.
    Seems like nobody's going to get the answers they want, so why bother to this point?
     
  6. Keith Montgomery

    Keith Montgomery

    May 9, 2000
    Maybe to you, but many people hold other factors as being more important. It's not for you to say that your way is more correct than theirs. You make decisions based on what is important to you, and I'll make decisions based on what is important to me.
     
  7. teacher

    teacher

    Apr 11, 2001
    I don't know you from "Adam's house cat" roughedges... but IMO what you said here was worth quoting. :thumbup:
     
  8. hotrodKelley

    hotrodKelley Banned BANNED

    Aug 31, 2006
    Sounds like your February is booked. Have fun, let us know how it worked out.
     
  9. RVNVET

    RVNVET

    46
    Jan 6, 2008

    Just wondering if you were referring to this: Chuck Mawhinney?

    I can't imagine that Chuck Mawhinney and Wannabe Sniper Dwyer would be as much as an aquaintance....


    Chuck Mawhinney
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    Charles Benjamin "Chuck" Mawhinney

    Nickname Chuck
    Allegiance United States of America
    Service/branch USMC
    Years of service 1967-1970
    Battles/wars Vietnam War
    Other work U.S. Forest Service, Public speaker
    Charles Benjamin "Chuck" Mawhinney is an Oregon-born American who served in the United States Marine Corps as a sniper during the Vietnam War. His skill as a sniper resulted in a record number of kills for USMC snipers, exceeding that of legendary Marine sniper, Carlos Hathcock.

    Contents [hide]
    1 Service in the Vietnam War and later life
    2 Notes
    3 References
    4 External links



    [edit] Service in the Vietnam War and later life
    Mawhinney, the son of a World War II Marine Corps veteran, was an avid hunter in his youth. Mawhinney joined the U.S. Marine Corps in 1967, spending sixteen months in Vietnam starting in 1968. Although less well known than his more famous counterpart, fellow Marine sniper and legend Carlos Hathcock, Mawhinney currently holds the record for confirmed kills for Marine snipers, with 103. (A US Army sergeant, Adelbert Waldron, holds the record for most confirmed kills by any American sniper at 109.) He had another 216 that are listed as "probables" by the U.S. Marine Corps.

    Mawhinney left the Marine Corps in 1970. He slipped into obscurity, and went without notice for his number of confirmed kills for more than two decades, which was his preference. He returned home to Oregon, married, and began working for the U.S. Forest Service, where he worked until his retirement in the late 1990s.

    Mawhinney never spoke of his exploits as a sniper, and found himself exposed unwittingly in a book titled Dear Mom: A Sniper's Vietnam, written by fellow Marine sniper and author Joseph T. Ward.[1] After the book recognized him as having 101 confirmed kills, many disputed the claim. However, research revealed that Mawhinney actually had 103 confirmed kills and 216 "probable kills", which led to his replacing Carlos Hathcock, who had 93 confirmed kills, as the leading USMC sniper of all time.

    [[Image:Chuck Mawhinney's sniper rifle.jpg|right|thumbnail|Mawhinney's rifle is on display in the National Museum of the Marine Corps]

    After this, Mawhinney slowly came into the limelight. Following his retirement from the Forest Service, he began speaking at conventions and public events, as well as attending national sniper shooting competitions. As of 2006, Mawhinney continues to speak to classes of professional snipers in training. His rifle that he used during his service in Vietnam is now on display in the Vietnam Gallery of the National Museum of the Marine Corps.[2] [3]


    [edit] Notes
    ^ Ward, Joseph T. (1990). Dear Mom: A Sniper's Vietnam. Ballentine Books. ISBN 0804108536.
    ^ M-40A1 Sniper Rifle. National Museum of the Marine Corps Iconic Artifacts. National Museum of the Marine Corps. Retrieved on 2007-02-04.
    ^ Smith, Leff. "A Salute to Duty and Sacrifice: Thousands Gather for Dedication of Museum Honoring Marine Corps History", Washington Post, November 11, 2006, p. B01. Retrieved on 2007-02-04.

    [edit] References
    United States Marine Corps Portal
    Chuck Mawhinney — Deadly at any distance: a sniper's story. Sniper legends. www.nordicsniper.com.
    Perry, Tony. "Chuck Mawhinney", Los Angeles Times, 2000.
    Bruner, Thomas W. (2001). Confirmed Kills, It's not a competition. Sniper's Paradise.
    2005 Idaho Sniper Championships. Retrieved on 2007-02-01. (Includes photos of Mawhinney at the competition.)

    [edit] External links
    Winter, LCpl Christian B. (April-June 2005). Legendary Marine Recounts Life as Sniper (PDF). Marine Magazine. United States Marine Corps. Retrieved on 2007-02-04.
    Sniper Rifles. GlobalSecurity.org. Retrieved on 2007-02-04.
    Smith, Clint (January 2004). Of myths and legends - Ranging Shots. Guns Magazine. Retrieved on 2007-02-04.
    Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Mawhinney"
    Categories: Living people | People from Oregon | Military snipers | United States Marines | American military personnel of the Vietnam War
     
  10. Bastid

    Bastid Goat herding fool and resident vermin breeder. Staff Member Super Mod

    Feb 27, 2001
    Yup they are one of hundreds who do so. A few do it with lies, most do so quietly with honesty and integrity and without the hype. From there I know where my bucks go. To each their own.

    Yup, arriving at the truth can suck.
    To gripe over us letting the truth bubble to the top does not hold water.
    To post that we delete posts that don't follow the "party line" (whatever the heck that is) is either ignorant or another lie.
     
  11. wolfmann601

    wolfmann601 Gone, but not forgotton. RIP Ira.

    Mar 12, 2001
    I am gone all day and little has changed. There are supporters who continue to say many have made this about the quality of Strider knives. This has nothing to do with the quality of their knives; just the quality of their Owners.

    Many are still posting with the hope of finding out once and for all if Duane is a Scout/Sniper with an impressive kill count and has trained all over the world. Or is he a Poser.

    That's me; I still want to know the truth and that's all.
     
  12. DXC

    DXC

    50
    Dec 20, 2004
    Yes, one and the same. As a matter of fact he is in the Strider booth at some of the shows. Maybe you will meet him at the SHOT Show.
     
  13. Slatts

    Slatts

    Feb 16, 2005
    Your tenacity in finding the truth is admirable, but confusing also. Do you still really believe that there's a questionable doubt that Duane lied about his military history? The lines of evidence appear crystal clear tying the identities of Dwyer & Poland. I don't see any data gaps that need to be filled.

    To me the identity issue is settled, but I still would like to know some more about how this transpired. Such as, why all the name changes? As a honorably discharged Marine, he had not a thing to hide.

    Also, I have a question about the oft quoted Tactical Knives article by W.W. Wright that listed all of Duane's sniper history. I attempted to locate the author on the internet to ask how he was able to assemble such a robust military history for Dwyer. Did all that information come straight from Dwyer or did the author embellish it?

    Not that it really matters since Dwyer didn't correct the mistakes, but it would tell us a little more about whether it was an out and out attempt to create a persona by Dwyer or was an unintentional snowball that just never got corrected.
     
  14. roughedges

    roughedges

    Oct 3, 2004
    Thanks, teacher, and I'm glad you appreciated it. It is something I had been thinking of for awhile now in regards to this controversy and it seemed as good a time as any to post it.
     
  15. EasEWryder

    EasEWryder

    627
    Sep 29, 2002
    Actually, they are more than an acquaintance. Friends would be a more accurate description. I once had the pleasure to be introduced to Chuck, and spent about an hour total, just me and him hangin' out, as he needed a bit of assistance getting back to his hotel, the same one in which I was staying. Chuck had nothing but good things to say about Duane, and Strider. In fact the subject was only brought up by Chuck himself, after seeing a Strider logo on my person, and that was that.

    After taking him to his room, I went back to the elevator to my floor, then decided, I should probably make sure he got in OK, and was cool, since I didn't actually see him enter his room. When I got to the floor, I ran into Duane and a friend of his, and they asked me what I was doin' in the manner that people who are out and about ask someone they know that they come across, I told them I helped Chuck to his room, and wanted to make sure he got in OK. "Let's go and see, c'mon," was their reply, and the three of us proceeded to the room.

    Long story short, the manner in which they interacted was much more than on the level of 'acquaintance', and Chuck not only had good things to say about Duane and Strider, but was a pretty cool guy, and it was kickass to have a few smokes with him one on one.

    Please note that these are only my personal observations, and I am NOT speaking for Chuck, Duane, Strider, or anyone else, but I count myself lucky that when I see them, they recognize me, and take the time to say Hi. :)
     
  16. wolfmann601

    wolfmann601 Gone, but not forgotton. RIP Ira.

    Mar 12, 2001
    There are some important facts out there that some refuse to release that causes me some concern (albeit small). If my determination of whether Dwyer was a Poser or not was of any importance to the knife world I would have felt obligated to stop fence-riding. But since what I decide/determine/believe is of no value to the industry I still have two questions I would like answered before I jump off the fence.

    So my position will remain that Strider makes superb knives, they have a superb Customer service record, and maintain a superb warranty. For a Company owned by EVERYDAY American soldiers they have proven themselves good owners of a superb Knife Company. Being a successful soldier, successful LEO, Successful paramedic, or a successful Fireman is a wonderful testament to those that serve and all should be very proud of their opportunity to serve. 99% serve with distinction but never have the chance to be a hero. Pretending to be a hero on the otherhand is very shameful and just freaking silly and ridiculous.

    I am proud of my 28 years in LE doing the everday stuff, never being a Sniper, SWAT member, asskicker or hero with a large kill count. But if I were to pubicly claim some heroic bullshit act that never took place I would destroy the successful mundane, boring, everyday accomplishments I am proud to have been part of.

    Oh I did shoot a dog once............................
     
  17. Cougar Allen

    Cougar Allen Buccaneer (ret.) Gold Member

    Oct 9, 1998
    What are your two questions you would like answered?
     
  18. 711432

    711432

    16
    Dec 31, 2007
    You will likely need the full lot of them to make your way to the Strider Knives table, if the crowd at the last Blade was any indication.

    At the risk of causing Spark further disbelief I should be travelling to the US via airplane and attend the SHOT show. But I do not look forward to sort of scene that organizing like this would cause. Unless it remains confined to the internet as it almost certainly will.
     
  19. Bubbanumber1

    Bubbanumber1

    293
    Nov 28, 2005
    I don't think anyone is able to predict the final outcome at this early stage of this story. If this were a baseball game we would still be in the top of the first inning, the score would reflect the entire bench of the visiting team knocking home runs on their first bat with no outs and the umpire would be yelling at the top of his lungs to the sound of all the popcorn being eaten by a sold out crowd, BATTER UP!


    There are currently many more questions than anyone posting here can possibly know the answer to right now.


    Will some high powered Veterans Groups make public comments about this situation then get involved?

    Will Buck Knives change their website to reflect reality and make a public statement regarding their involvement with the Strider Guys?

    Will Kershaw Knives make a public comment about the current status of their relationship with the Strider Guys?

    Will the Army Times, Stars and Stripes, Leatherneck, or any number of military oriented magazines and newspapers do a formal story on this subject matter?

    Will this continue to be a small story for insiders in the Blade Industry or will it end up in local news or even go national news, possibly as a story on 60 minutes or some other investigative reports?

    What will happen at the Shot Show in 2008? Business as usual? A small scale to even large riot? A disappearing act?

    Are there current criminal investigations going on that will eventually produce an indictment?



    The silence out of San Marcos California is easily explained, LAWYERED UP!
     
  20. wolfmann601

    wolfmann601 Gone, but not forgotton. RIP Ira.

    Mar 12, 2001

    I wish I could say "that's simple" Cougar but it's not. The first is; What is the freaking truth, is the guy the Super sniper SWAT type that Commands respect (he sure had mine) wherever he goes and is an amazing source of personal knowledge when it comes to weapons, ballistics and optics for those one shot-one kill type threads I have read for years?
    The second is in parts and is quite convoluted. Let me begin:D; how did POWNET know to ask for records for Poland the the Aliases (maybe this was already answered:confused:)? Was this accomplished by making the request solely on his service number or did they make a specific request using the name Poland instead of Dwyer? Did the date of birth discrepancies affect the accuracy, and did POWNET check the limited public records held by California POST?

    I know that I have been trying to use the beyond reasonable doubt standard I am probably being silly and ridiculous but in this case for me I feel the guy is entitled to it. I would love to find out how this all escaped the required background the Del whatever Police Department is required to complete before being sworn in. I would also like to know how this all escaped guys like Nyeti and Pat Rogers who (to me anyway) are men of high integrity and credibility and certainly no one's fool. How did/could they not know that Duane was using an alias, was never a Sniper, never had even one confirmed kill and his whole background is a sham? I would also love to know how Duane was able to attend many USMC Scout/Sniper events for alot of years and associate with several men who have a verified histories as Military/LE SWAT and sniper types and not been (yet) made an outcast for stealing valor?

    Any finally; why would a man with a magnificent background not defend his name, honor, reputation, integrity and credibility or at least have someone do it for him? I know that he (and others) could be remaining silent because he feels he has nothing to prove to any of us, we are just members of this lowlife forum. Maybe he is planning to file a ka-zillion dollar Lawsuit, or maybe he is/was involved in some real secret shit and he has been ordered to stay silent for whatever reason people involved in secret shit need to be.

    I know there must be a bunch of folks, many of whom are highly respected, chomping at the bit to defend Duane's honor and reputation and lambaste us scumbag lowlifes;) but........... While I won't lose much sleep over this and no one is going to lose much (if any) sleep over my fence riding I do, in a small way, feel slightly affronted because I did read alot of his writings and believed he was the real deal. I wish I could and hope I can continue believing he is what he and others say he is.

    It is so easy to put this all to rest and cause this thread to be closed and locked but I just don't see that happening any time soon. All that is needed is the truth and this entire issue will be resolved.

    Oh BTW, and please excuse my ignorance but who is Mad Dog and why do folks continue to attribute the Strider issues to him?

    Oh well, I hope I have confused all of you even more than I confuse myself.

    Edited to add: my post crossed with Bubba's, this is not in response
     
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