Strider Knives, Game Over!

[Spark]

Over at USN he posted that "our 'coaches' have advised us not to respond to the actual issue at hand".

I have not seen this posting, would it be possible for you to cut and paste the full text? I'd like to read exactly what was said.

EDIT: I have not not have. Shouldn't have posted from the iphone

 

[teacher]

I am with you roughedges and my voice counts about as much as the paper it is written on.

I am with both of you.....

None of us are "perfect" .... BUT, IF the horse is dead... one looks like a "fool" to try and keep riding it........
IF it ain't dead, one also looks like a "fool" if they don't say so... at least once.

 

[Horned Toad]

As for Dwyer and White Feather "hanging out"... so what? I've hung out with professional athletes in multiple sports and even consider a few of them friends; does that make me a professional athlete as well? Or, if you prefer... I have a cat that hangs out with my dog. Does it make her a dog as well?

On page 42 post 822 823 and 824

Again on page 54 post 1061 and 1068

 

[Bastid]

Just WATCH what follows the RELEVANT content is deafening.....

and the answer was:

Saying I am going to post after I have already done it is sort of pointless isnt it

Looks like tg made accurate prediction to me.

 

[Cougar Allen]

Over at USN he posted ...

It's not clear from your post who posted. Duane Dwyer? Mick Strider? Someone else? It's not very clear exactly what someone posted, either. Please clarify.

 

[Horned Toad]

and the answer was:



Looks like tg made accurate prediction to me.

That’s my point, it shows the times when you edit your posts, his first edit was after I had already posted, it’s not a prediction then is it. I call it brushing out.

That and he didn’t answer my question.


Maybe his side has some valid questions that need answered, I have said that to him on the phone, but unfortunately due to the way they have tried to go about it and their past history with SKI, its hard to take anything they say seriously. How many years now has this been going on. If there wasn’t more to the story somewhere this would have been open and shut in about 2 seconds.

 

[Bastid]

and my last thought.

If I was ever in this type of situation, I hope like hell that I have friends who would pull me aside, tell me to come straight one way or another with the truth so they actually could defend me even if it involved their forgiveness so I could focus on the things I do best and if necessary deal with the fallout of owning up to a mistake I made.

Those would be friends I would cherish for the rest of my life.

 

[RNST]

Well, back on page 9, I said this:



To which he replied:



So, we'll have to see if he makes good on that. Now that you mention it, RNST, it would be good to know what exactly is at play here. I just want to know what the score is. That is, the truth (or lack thereof) of and the reasons for the claims made the parties themselves, the magazine writers, and the other knifemakers, and without further confusion from the apologists. But it certainly wouldn't hurt to know the motivations of the original poster either. I'm sure that's not to much to ask.

Regards,
3G

Interesting if you look at the various players in this thread -

Got your vets, understandable, if there is a poser and vets get a sniff of it, you bet they will be pissed off.

Got spark who was offended by Mick. I assume this to be true, don't know it for sure; just remember reading one of Sparks comments probably back 30 pages or so.

Got some knife makers and I am unfamiliar with their body of work but here is soap box and they can stand on it and say stuff. Guess they are hoping that someone might read their profiles and email them about their products.

Got LEO and the like which I would put in the vet category as above.

Got some people quoting the bible. Well that's all good and glad to know you know your scriptures. I don't even read your posts, can't see the relevance.

Then you have the bubba types. Seem to have an endless amount of back channel info that they bring to the thread every day. Nothing in their profiles, only posts they make are right here on this thread. HMMM, gotta wonder if the motivation is money, public recognition, or they are in fact a competitor that has spent endless time and effort attempting to bring down a more successful competitor.

60 Minutes, I laughed so hard my milk came flying out of my nose. Bit dramatic aren't you? I am sure Mike Wallace wants to get involved with this little scrap. If it were international weapon manufacturers, sure maybe, but knife makers, come on.

A riot at the show. I don't believe it for a minute and you know the reason it won't happen; takes two to tango.

 

[Jim G.]

Since this thread had degenerated so badly with the exception of a few posts, I thought I would come back to it and add a story. Have you ever had to do word problems where you are given a bunch of statements that don’t seem to make sense, yet you need to organize them in a way that does make sense and is supported by the statements. That is what this story attempts to do, take all that is out there , and incorporate it into one concise story that makes sense.

This is as far as I know a fictional account of events and any similarities to the truth are purely accidental.

..The Story of Duane Dwyer..​

Some time in the year of our Lord 1960 or 61 a new baby was born. His proud parents named him Duane Thomas Poland Jr.. Some time after his birth he lost his father, either due to death or divorce isn’t known and is not relevant to this story. Some time after this his mother remarried a gentleman named Duane Dwyer. This man became Duane Poland’s step dad. He was everything a little boy would want in a father, a United States Marine, and a sniper to boot. The young man in honor of his step father and because of the love he had for him started using his last name. There is nothing illegal about this as it wasn’t to facilitate any crime or impersonate any one.

The young man grows up and enters into active duty in the Marines on 10/31/79. For the next four years he does his job and at the end of his enlistment 10/28/83 leaves the Marines after having served proudly. Little is known what transpired during the next 15-16 years during this mans life other than some where along the way he met Mick Strider and they decided to start making knives together. Their knives are well made hard use knives and they catch on with military and Leo types. Up until this time all their knives are customs.

They decide that they want to expand in order to reach more people and produce more knives. Finances are tight. Duane Dwyer (the step dad) has a lot of love and respect for his son and has also retired from the marines by now and is a little bored, so he offers to finance the operation and become a silent partner. His reputation and contacts will also help open some doors to this fledgling business.

The business starts to take off slowly and catches the attention of a writer from Tactical Knives who writes an article that is published in May of 1999 and Strider Knives is born officially on 09/07/2000. The business grows and the military is interested in their knives so on 01/05/2001 Duane Dwyer (step dad) files incorporation papers in California.

At some point Poland joined the Del Rey Police Dept as an auxiliary. On his application he listed Duane Dwyer as an alias which is perfectly legitimate. He was hired and has been there ever since where he serves as a SRT member.

Sometime during this time Strider Knives spun off a LLC named “International Training and Operations Group” other wise know as ITOG. They hired the best trainers available to teach these classes.

Moving up to more recent history, Duane Poland/Dwyer stopped posting on the internet any where this person can find shortly after the first dust up about Mick. He put his time into his family and business minding his own affairs and has and still continues to do that till today.

THE END​

Now just a few notes:
This is what got me to thinking along this line of thought.

At 07:25 PM 12/18/2007, you wrote:
Nope. There is no Dwyer or Poland on our membership roster in the Active Members or New Applicants. They are not members of the USMC Scout/Sniper Association.

Notice it states active or new members. Could his step father have been a past member who let it lapse for some reason.

Marine Corp. Sniper (ret.) and co-owner of Strider Knives (center kneeling), poses with an ACE M4 SOCOM and his SRT team.

When you go to the actual site where this picture is hosted you see that this was added by the site. It says he is a retired sniper, could who ever vetted this for the site found a retired marine sniper named Duane Dwyer (Duane's step father) and figured they were 1 and the same.

This was all conjecture on my part in trying to make some sence of what is posted on pownetwork.

This is as far as I know a fictional account of events and any similarities to the truth are purely accidental.

 

[Slatts]

I have not seen this posting, would it be possible for you to cut and paste the full text? I'd like to read exactly what was said.

Since you asked.....

Please Read PT2

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Blah blah blah mick
Blah blah blah Duane

Blah blah blah mick
Blah blah blah Duane

Blah blah mick and Duane
Blah blah BLAH mick and Duane!

As you may or may not have noticed, our Internet Tabloids have started again.

Its “Days of our Knives” Part II. (Thanks Rob).

This time our detractors are after not only Duane, but DB and Pat Rogers as well.

Is it me, or is this the most retarded thing you have ever heard of?

Its one thing to go after me, Im easy. Once you hear that im a felon, its easy to go ahead and believe what you hear. What ever. I realized long ago that being a felon meant I have to take some stones now and then. Right or wrong…its just the way it is…no issue.

This new thing is just retarded like you read about.

Lemme see if I have this correct;

Duane=cop, is a fake.
DB= cop, is a fake.
Pat Rogers=cop, is a fake.

The water heads forgot one special ingredient…these guys aren’t bad guys.

I wonder who has a better “Intel Network”, the Internet idiots, or the PD’s that hired these guys.

DUANE??!!
DB??!!
PAT??!!

Gimme a damn break.




Our “Coaches” have advised us to not comment on the actual issue at hand…

But come on….

Sure micks a bad guy…stole a car.


I truly appreciate all you guys, and of course our Wonderful Pal M1, who have jumped in to defend us.

BUT…
There are no contact sports in The Special Olympics for a reason!!!

Im just say’n

So, rest assured.

There is no Strider Knives conspiracy.
No one made anything up.

There are losers in the world, and there are the rest of us.

Losers are sad because they have entitlement issues….

Winners put up with losers because they are funny to watch dance.

Don’t worry, or feel the need to defend us.
We know you have our backs.

Just watch the losers dance, and laugh inside. (its distasteful to laugh out loud).



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1) Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.

Still want to quit?

NousDefionsDoc


"2) Only when you have become successful do people start talking bad about you. As it is easier to bitch and complain about someone and hope you can bring them down to your level. Than it is to put forth the effort required to move up to level of the successful person."
Les Robertson

 

[roughedges]

On page 42 post 822 823 and 824

Again on page 54 post 1061 and 1068

I must be confused. Posts 822-824 are tangential but hardly what I would consider ridicule or "hoping and hollering".

#1061 addresses something I was wondering myself... unless he is handicapped now and/or was heavily inebriated, why in the world were two grown men so worried about another grown man, one who has without a doubt been there and done that, getting to his hotel room safely? Absent further information (and I am NOT saying that I don't believe the story), it just seems very strange.

And post #1068 simply points out a flaw in the logic that goes something like this: B is a super soldier and hero. A and B are friends therefore A must also be a super soldier and hero. Entirely applicable to the topic, in my opinion.


So, not to put too fine a point on it.... I'm interested in knowing your reasoning for pointing out those 5 posts in particular from amongst the nearly 1100 that you had to choose from. To be honest, I'm not seeing any at all.

Since you asked.....

Talk about twisting the issue! Strider's post is so transparent, so full of total absurdities that I can't believe that anyone would believe a word he says. Lessee...So Strider has stones thrown at him only because he is a felon? Bogus. This thread is trying to make villains out of Duane, DB and Pat Rogers? Bogus. No one made anything up? Extremely bogus, as Mick himself has had to admit to, in writing. He is laughing inside? Highly, highly doubtful but a strong facade sure must make the troops feel better. Some of 'em, anyway.





Until about 1000 posts into this thread, I kept my opinion to myself because I tend not to join clubs, gangs or roasts. But this is complete and utter BS and anyone who can't see it is a blind man.

 

[Horned Toad]

So, not to put too fine a point on it.... I'm interested in knowing your reasoning for pointing out those 5 posts in particular from amongst the nearly 1100 that you had to choose from. To be honest, I'm not seeing any at all.

Post 1061 is what probably linked them all together for me. My father was in Vietnam in late 68 and 69; he now suffers from Rheumatoid Arthritis and Fibromyalgia, which no one in any branch of my family has ever had. My mother is laws cousin who was in the same place as my father at almost the same time also has Rheumatoid Arthritis. Same thing he is the only one in his family to have it. So to see the poster poke fun at a person who is a Vet sort of rubbed me wrong. Not just a Vet but a guy that until recently lived in relative obscurity until a 3rd party brought his accomplishments to light.

 

[Spark]

Ah, thanks Slatts. That's hilarious on a variety of levels.

I like this part best:

No one made anything up.

Pathetic. Even after all this, even after court orders & being caught red handed; some people still can't stop themselves from lying, or even lying about lying.

It's pretty simple. Winners don't have to lie about their backgrounds. Winners don't have to lie, period. Winners go out and do, instead of pretending.

Losers are the ones who have to lie in order to compensate for their own flaws. Losers are the ones who will say or give anything for your friendship, because they know they can't earn it on their own. Losers create fanciful tales of bravery & derring-do when the reality embarrasses them greatly. When they get caught, losers continue to lie because the truth is too difficult to face.

EDIT: I love the little quote by Les Robertson at the tail end of the post. I wonder if Mick remembers this -

I was not backing up. I know both Mick and Duane, it was Mick who told me he was a Marine Corp Sniper. This came up because of my Sniper training. I didn't think anything of it at the time nor until it was pointed out that he was in the Army. You are obviously familiar with what is going on. You will note I only mentioned my experience and did not bring up any of the other "issues".

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3203861&postcount=101

 

[roughedges]

I am still trying to find "the party line" and trying to figure out where all those posts that we delete go.
(hint to self - "you will be looking for the rest of your life since finding things that do not exist is impossible." )

Sounds like Cougar Allen needs to find a pic of a cat with its paw on the delete key and have it say something like, "u toe prty line or I dlete uz!!1!!!!111!!"

His expectations of us are stated. They are general and they involve nothing more than a community of respect, friendships and doing what we can to keeping out things that would degrade that community. Forgiveness is a part of that ideal; as is living up to the mistakes we do make here.

And thats why I've stuck around here longer than any other forum that I've ever frequented. Unpopular opinions aren't censored, only morons taht are unable to follow a few simple rules and spammers by way of banishment. Most forums aren't like that at all, in my experience.

Post 1061 is what probably linked them all together for me. My father was in Vietnam in late 68 and 69; he now suffers from Rheumatoid Arthritis and Fibromyalgia, which no one in any branch of my family has ever had. My mother is laws cousin who was in the same place as my father at almost the same time also has Rheumatoid Arthritis. Same thing he is the only one in his family to have it. So to see the poster poke fun at a person who is a Vet sort of rubbed me wrong. Not just a Vet but a guy that until recently lived in relative obscurity until a 3rd party brought his accomplishments to light.

I could see how you could take that personally then. My brother was in an accident that left him in a wheelchair and anytime I see someone poke fun at anyone with any sort of handicap it makes me very angry. For a few years, dangerously so. To be honest, I don't think that was Danno's intent though. From what I remember from his other postings, Danno has an abrasive way with words that sometimes tends to leave people feeling, well, raw. I honestly believe that his intent in making that post was solely for clarification as I also was wondering what more there was to the story.

Plus, he is in Australia and very likely, even more so than with the majority of Americans, has no idea who Chuck Mawhinney is.

 

[PatriotDan]

Slatts, where you got that copy&paste from?

 

[RVNVET]

Since this thread had degenerated so badly with the exception of a few posts, I thought I would come back to it and add a story.

..The Story of Duane Dwyer..​

Micky, you need to stop smoking that "HIPPIE LETTUCE".

This is too, too bizarre and hallucinogenic.

 

[wolfmann601]

Geez, Mick is still proclaiming his and Duane's Innocence??? I had hoped my hanging out to the very end for the truth was in hopes of not destroying a reputation, but Blah Blah BLAH it looks like Mick is working hard to make him and Duane look like complete idiots. If his "coaches" are still suggesting silence then they must be employed by Lynn Thompson

And is Lance Bubba and Bubba lance because after reading his last post I must conclude he is either Bubba 1 or an escapee from a california mental institution!!!

And that Myspace shit, damn Lance what up with all them old looking women? I am a 50 year old fat, short, poor and bald (temporary only, it fell out) ordinary non-heroic don't know any heroes, never been involved in secret squirrel shit type of guy and my woman makes those on my space look like wenches!!!!!

I expected A macho guy like you to have a Penthouse honey on each arm, are you a lehgend in your own mind???

If I understand correctly what Lance says is Gospel, period. Then I salute him for being honest and admitting he is a wacko!!

How do you fit into this Lance???

 

[Thomas Linton]

Interesting if you look at the various players in this thread -

Got your vets, understandable, if there is a poser and vets get a sniff of it, you bet they will be pissed off.

Got spark who was offended by Mick. I assume this to be true, don't know it for sure; just remember reading one of Sparks comments probably back 30 pages or so.

Got some knife makers and I am unfamiliar with their body of work but here is soap box and they can stand on it and say stuff. Guess they are hoping that someone might read their profiles and email them about their products.

Got LEO and the like which I would put in the vet category as above.

Got some people quoting the bible. Well that's all good and glad to know you know your scriptures. I don't even read your posts, can't see the relevance.

Then you have the bubba types. Seem to have an endless amount of back channel info that they bring to the thread every day. Nothing in their profiles, only posts they make are right here on this thread. HMMM, gotta wonder if the motivation is money, public recognition, or they are in fact a competitor that has spent endless time and effort attempting to bring down a more successful competitor. . . .

I know it's hard to read a thread of this length, but you missed a few:

Got multiple posters who say, in substance, "service and quality of product trumps everything else."

Got knife maker who has no need to push product 'cause he can't make 'em fast enough who appears to defend Mr. D.

Got Super Mod who accuses Original Poster of trolling.

Got several who make personal attacks on OP.

Got a Swedish poster who suggests that Mr. D's military work is so top secret that it does not appear in military records.

Got multiple posters who say, in substance, sam' ol' sam' ol. and/or STFU/Go AWAY.

Got an accustation of libel.

Got multiple atempts to change the subject.

Got justabuyer. Go figure.

 

[SubaruSTi]

If all of it was a lie couldnt they (strider) just sue?

 

[Bladeandbarrel]

Lance,
You posts are right on the money. Keep them coming.
People who know your creds do not dispute anything you post.