Strider Knives, Game Over!

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For us non-military Spec-opulators uncodified in the obfuscated world of CRANIAL-RECTAL INVERSION what the COITUS does:
DL
BW
WPPS Manager

Stand for/mean/defined as??????????????????????????????????????

And who is Snake Chalker and does MC stand for "Master Chief"??

I now return you coitus uninteruptus back to your normal scheduled observation of escalation.....................................PERIOD, COMMA, HYPHEN..amen
 
OK, time out................

For us non-military Spec-opulators uncodified in the obfuscated world of CRANIAL-RECTAL INVERSION what the COITUS does:
DL
BW
WPPS Manager

Stand for/mean/defined as??????????????????????????????????????

And who is Snake Chalker and does MC stand for "Master Chief"??

I now return you coitus uninteruptus back to your normal scheduled observation of escalation.....................................PERIOD, COMMA, HYPHEN..amen


Now that made me laugh!
 
I posted earlier in this thread-Blade Forums members wore name tags to the knife shows so we could meet each other.Not anymore.

Is this because some members are ashamed after threads like this obvious
intent to hurt someones business?Or is it because posters like Bubbanumber1,
Teacher,American Puukko etc.are ashamed to sign their names to their posts
and have more courage as a keyboard commando?

I wear a name tag at every show i attend, i enjoy meeting others who share
my hobby.If you see a big fat man with the Sky Masterson tag on his chest, please say hello.

Buck, Strider & Kershaw have thousands of fans all over the world.
I wish them continued success.
 
If you go with redemption theology, first comes repentence, not just I'm sorry but life changing sorry. Then the request for forgiveness based on confession if sin. Then follows forgiveness.

If the conduct doesn't change, there is no repentance and therefore no forgiveness.

Gene

I'll speak for myself regarding this issue.

What has taken place here is it seems pretty obvious that a couple very highly respected guys in the knifemaking industry have used deception and lies for years to bolster their business and it appears neither one seems to care that they have been caught doing it.

Maybe I'm wrong and they really do care but just don't know how to get out of this mess.

At this point, they are going to be confronted with a lot of questions by a lot of people regarding their integrity.

The fact that you have two owners both being accused of making up fantastic military pasts to create a niche market for their products makes it look like they set out to do it from the start.

I'd like to believe that those who have faithfully followed these two supposed hardcore military heroes were the real cause of these stories and that eventually these stories just snowballed out of control to the point that neither Mick nor Duane felt they could stop it without extreme embarrassment for them and their company. Perhaps that's what really happened in one form or another. I could see this possibly happening to anyone in business.

Based on what I've read here about Duane, he has nothing at all to be ashamed of relating to his real military past. It appears that he served his country honorably as a data technician and he deserves a lot credit for that. :thumbup:

I'll never know when and if either one truly feels sorry or repentance for what they have done to everyone who feels let down.

But I do know that I have no problem forgiving them for this debacle.

If Duane is going to respond, I would like to see him respond honorably and to finally stop with the stories once and for all.

Maybe something like this could finally be said by Duane to help start putting this to bed and begin the process of them proudly getting back to making some pretty awesome knives without all the hype:
At some point, the truth about my military past and experience unfortunately took on a life of its own and it's my fault for allowing that to happen. I also got caught up in the hype and I was too proud to stop it once it began. I apologize to everyone that I have let down.

And then again, maybe he'll do what Mick did and just tell everyone to lick his nut sack.......
 
OK, time out................

For us non-military Spec-opulators uncodified in the obfuscated world of CRANIAL-RECTAL INVERSION what the COITUS does:
DL
BW
WPPS Manager

Stand for/mean/defined as??????????????????????????????????????

And who is Snake Chalker and does MC stand for "Master Chief"??

I now return you coitus uninteruptus back to your normal scheduled observation of escalation.....................................PERIOD, COMMA, HYPHEN..amen

Well you will have to wait for Lance to chime in on that one because I don’t know anyone in the military or LEO circles who talks like that.


As far a Chalker he probably means this guy and it looks like he retired a Master Chief so that is probably the MC, but Navy rank is weird so that’s a guess on my part.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Chalker
 
BW blackwater
WPPS worldwide personal protective services
DL, dunno, D___ leader, division, department, sumthin

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YonyC2

I have no desire to hijack this rgead into a Bible study. You can PM me about it, if you wish. We are both pretty much on the same page, but God hinself does not forgive without repentence. We can quote book, chapter and verse off the forums.

I wish that repentence and a desire for forgiveness was present with MS and DD. Only they can resolve this problem and move forward. It doesn't take a lawyer to resolve this, just two people making a simple statement of repentence and contrition, then asking for forgiveness.

I'd love to see it happen and the whole matter be laid to rest. But, hope springs eternal, right?

Gene
 
thx for the replies to my questions a few pages back.

i wasnt trying to derail the thread or question anyone's integrity, just trying to figure out who a few people are.
 
I'm just setting up for a train wreck pic ;)

Finding out who people are is pretty important, since there's so many involved. Which in a way is weird, because this thread is pretty much about one guy.



That guy is Dwyer, I felt the need to clarify.

Which is unfortunate, but the nature of this thread. Now to continue the arguments about the immaterial while waiting for a response (anywhere, not just BF) from the actual subject.
 
does the fact that everyone has multiple AKA's strike anyone else as strange? sure is odd to me, i suppose i am proud of my name though (not to infer anyone isnt).

i also know that imho it aint looking good right now, imho somebody is probably a poser, its just too easy to go "this is bullshit" and post your bona fides,

i am disappointed and hope it all turns out ok but i aint stupid & it dont look good right now as far as a positive outcome.
 
Chuck Barris used an AKA

Many secret squirrel types do.

I do, it's Walter Mitty.but

but my real name is know.............................Hugh know
 
YonyC2

I have no desire to hijack this rgead into a Bible study. You can PM me about it, if you wish. We are both pretty much on the same page, but God hinself does not forgive without repentence. We can quote book, chapter and verse off the forums.

I wish that repentence and a desire for forgiveness was present with MS and DD. Only they can resolve this problem and move forward. It doesn't take a lawyer to resolve this, just two people making a simple statement of repentence and contrition, then asking for forgiveness.

I'd love to see it happen and the whole matter be laid to rest. But, hope springs eternal, right?

Gene

Gene,
I know that God requires repentance, but God isn't posting in this thread. I thought the question was asking what would it take for forgiveness to occur between the people involved here. There is nothing in scripture that says a man must repent in order for another man to forgive him. Certainly not in the NT. You can do what you like, but that is not what the Bible teaches.
 
I posted earlier in this thread-Blade Forums members wore name tags to the knife shows so we could meet each other.Not anymore.

Is this because some members are ashamed after threads like this obvious
intent to hurt someones business?
Or is it because posters like Bubbanumber1,
Teacher,American Puukko etc.are ashamed to sign their names to their posts
and have more courage as a keyboard commander?


I wear a name tag at every show i attend, i enjoy meeting others who share
my hobby.If you see a big fat man with the Sky Masterson tag on his chest, please say hello.

Buck, Strider & Kershaw have thousands of fans all over the world.
I wish them continued success.

sky masterson,

Your post above is BS.

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.."this obvious intent to hurt someones business?"

BS.... if someones business is hurt... it is most likely they do it to themselves.
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"posters like Bubbanumber1,
Teacher,American Puukko etc.are ashamed to sign their names to their posts
and have more courage as a keyboard commander?"


Ashamed??? Not in the least. And I think the word you are looking for is commando ... not "keyboard commander?"

Unless. your name is really Sky Masterson.... I have more info posted in my profile than you do. [ I shall post a copy of your profile below]

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" I wear a name tag at every show i attend, i enjoy meeting others who share
my hobby.If you see a big fat man with the Sky Masterson tag on his chest, please say hello".

Good for you "sky" ... should I ever see you with your "name tag" on, I'll be more than happy to say hello and chat. You feel free to do the same.
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"Buck, Strider & Kershaw have thousands of fans all over the world.
I wish them continued success".


Amen.... I could not agree with you more.

However, business sucess or failure is not what this is about is it ?

If someone makes a great knife [in this case] or whatever [in the big scheme of things]... and they happen to be / are proven to be a liar, huckster, charlatan, poser, or whatever....... and it ends up hurting their business.... whoever they are......

OH WELL, tough titty !

Is it the persons fault who wanted the truth ? ? ?

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And while we are at it "sky"... let's take a look at your signature line.. I have copied and posted it below.........
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"Only when you have become successful do people start talking bad abouy you.As it is easier to bitch and complain about someone and hope you can bring them down to your level.Than it is to put forth the effort required to move up to level of the successful person."
Les Robertson

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Well, that all sounds well and good till one really thinks about it closer.... but it is BS also.

""Only when you have become sucessful do people start talking bad "abouy" you.""

I find that really hard to believe "sky" .......... it has been my experience that some people will "talk bad" about you regardless of whether you are sucessful or not.... whether it is deserved or not even, many times.

Sure, many people may be jealous of a sucessful person. They may even "talk bad" about them because of that jealously. IMO, that shows a lack of character in the person doing the talking... bottom line.

However, asking for and wanting to know the truth in a situation is far from "talking bad" about someone.

IMO....It would be a very simple matter for the person in question here to put this all to rest.... in whatever venue he chose to do it. POWNET would be a great place.

That however, has not been done.


If you honestly feel anything I have said is not correct... please correct it.
 
TonyC2 and Athame,

When someone offers an insincere apology, as kids caught fighting do, there usually is no forgivemess, whatever mom said. That's people. If a coworker back stabs you, says I'm sorry and does it ahgain, it's unlikely one will be willing to forgive.

If DD or MS said "I sincerely apologize for misrepresenting my bona fides" there would be a lot of forgiveness. Unless they did it again the next day. That's what changed conduct is about.

Tony, I told you if you want to do a Bible study, send me a PM and we can talk about it.

Athame, you took something way out of contect and I don't know what you mean.

This whole thread is about whether DD is the real thing, not what any of us believe about the cosmos, who does or does not build a good knife or properly charge for one.

Should all the allegations about being a poser prove true, DD would gain a lot of ground by apologizing and going forward. It's in our nature to forgive others when they come clean. Unless the conduct continues. Then the apology is as much a lie as the misconduct. No amount of forgiveness changes that.

I didn't start the Bible study here, I won't respond to anymore Bible study here. Wrong forum. My url is right below my signature. Go there, get my email addy, send me a post and we can talk. This is the wrong place. And no kumbayas ever.

Gene
 
Wow Teacher, I agree with you 100%!!!

Me agree with a Teacher??? Yup, this thread has entered the sublime.

Oh, I do not for one minute believe a good member of BFC would ever be afraid or ashamed to wear a nametag, that's pure bullshit!!!

The person who need to be ashamed are those that need to introduce fiction and bullshit into their life's story in order to impress themselves or others. I sure would be ashamed if someone discovered I never was involved in combat if I said publically that I was.
Yup, if caught I would never wear a nametag again!!!:eek:
 
Well, at least someone again admits the "Knife buying for investment purposes!" is a ludicrous joke. It is. I wait expectantly every day to see scam-mail in my trash box inviting me to invest in knife futures, but even those guys know better. 'Nuf said.

I fully expected someone to point out a few makers and designers who do have military credentials - and right along with it, words to the effect they have better creds than an engineer or tradesman whose been making knives for years.

Again, this soap opera is dealing with a misconception. Just because a maker has combat experience means nothing in the grind and grit world of knifemaking. It is a spurious argument that surviving combat equals better insight and design - as the overwhelming majority of civilian makers proves every day. That Strider Knives can compete, does compete, and does make knives that successfully sell is a testimony to hard core knifemaking and marketing skills. That's what it takes in this business, not Condition Red awareness of surroundings.

Those who continue to insist that claims of being a combat vet are insufficiently substantiated are still locked into a belief that it makes a difference on the market place. That belief is false - being a combat vet, or not, stands alone. Being a good knifemaker and producing quantity and quality sufficient to achieve a standing in the market at a price point stands on it's own. We already have achieved consensus the products are not the argument - if it's not the intelligent design of the knives or leading edge components that are under question, then neither are the skills that produce them.

This leaves the issue of verifiable combat experience to most who question it. And, as I pointed out, combat experience has nothing to do with knife production. It's totally unrelated. The anguish and disappointment I read in posts about it seems based on the destruction of an expectation and illusion. "I'm angry because I found out my cherished belief isn't true."

No, you're angry because your cherished belief in the holy annointing of warriors in combat is proven false, and the construct that some immeasurable superiority or enlightenment unavailable to common mortals has failed. That's because it doesn't exist. The draft, used to provide soldiers for WWII, Korea, and Vietnam long ago showed ordinary mortals are sent to war, and battle damaged or not, ordinary mortals return. They are nothing more than that.

You have to accept a lie - that combat is a "holy" experience - to accept that being a combat vet makes a difference, and then give credence to negative speculation. Those who self righteously demand more answers from individuals miss an important point. You should be demanding answers from yourself. Why did you accept the delusion combat makes a difference?

As I said about 1,000 posts back, you will not resolve this, and certainly not here. It's not about the knives, or the skills of the knifemakers, which the knives amply testify. It's about seeing the lie that is exposed in your own thinking.
 
Those who continue to insist that claims of being a combat vet are insufficiently substantiated are still locked into a belief that it makes a difference on the market place. That belief is false - being a combat vet, or not, stands alone. Being a good knifemaker and producing quantity and quality sufficient to achieve a standing in the market at a price point stands on it's own. We already have achieved consensus the products are not the argument - if it's not the intelligent design of the knives or leading edge components that are under question, then neither are the skills that produce them.

This leaves the issue of verifiable combat experience to most who question it. And, as I pointed out, combat experience has nothing to do with knife production. It's totally unrelated. The anguish and disappointment I read in posts about it seems based on the destruction of an expectation and illusion. "I'm angry because I found out my cherished belief isn't true."

No, you're angry because your cherished belief in the holy annointing of warriors in combat is proven false, and the construct that some immeasurable superiority or enlightenment unavailable to common mortals has failed. That's because it doesn't exist. The draft, used to provide soldiers for WWII, Korea, and Vietnam long ago showed ordinary mortals are sent to war, and battle damaged or not, ordinary mortals return. They are nothing more than that.

You have to accept a lie - that combat is a "holy" experience - to accept that being a combat vet makes a difference, and then give credence to negative speculation. Those who self righteously demand more answers from individuals miss an important point. You should be demanding answers from yourself. Why did you accept the delusion combat makes a difference?

As I said about 1,000 posts back, you will not resolve this, and certainly not here. It's not about the knives, or the skills of the knifemakers, which the knives amply testify. It's about seeing the lie that is exposed in your own thinking.

A bunch of fancy words and speculation that seems to entirely ignore the basis of many posters opinions on this issue. A lie, possibly lies, was told and profited from. And not just some petty marketing-speak lie either. You write as if it is the public's (or at least that segment that disagrees with your stance) fault for believing the lie instead of the liar's for telling it in the first place. The truth as I see it is that the only people who bought into the whole combat as "holy" experience, as it regards to the topic at hand, are those who most vociferously defend the liars. All detractors that I've seen seem to agree that a cessation of lying, an apology to their customers and, most importantly, to those whose memories they dishonor, is enough.

Answers are not necessary from anyone. Proof, or an apology to the service members who feel no need to over-inflate their record and profit from a lie, will do.
 
Well, at least someone again admits the "Knife buying for investment purposes!" is a ludicrous joke. It is. I wait expectantly every day to see scam-mail in my trash box inviting me to invest in knife futures, but even those guys know better. 'Nuf said.

I fully expected someone to point out a few makers and designers who do have military credentials - and right along with it, words to the effect they have better creds than an engineer or tradesman whose been making knives for years.

Again, this soap opera is dealing with a misconception. Just because a maker has combat experience means nothing in the grind and grit world of knifemaking. It is a spurious argument that surviving combat equals better insight and design - as the overwhelming majority of civilian makers proves every day. That Strider Knives can compete, does compete, and does make knives that successfully sell is a testimony to hard core knifemaking and marketing skills. That's what it takes in this business, not Condition Red awareness of surroundings.

Those who continue to insist that claims of being a combat vet are insufficiently substantiated are still locked into a belief that it makes a difference on the market place. That belief is false - being a combat vet, or not, stands alone. Being a good knifemaker and producing quantity and quality sufficient to achieve a standing in the market at a price point stands on it's own. We already have achieved consensus the products are not the argument - if it's not the intelligent design of the knives or leading edge components that are under question, then neither are the skills that produce them.

This leaves the issue of verifiable combat experience to most who question it. And, as I pointed out, combat experience has nothing to do with knife production. It's totally unrelated. The anguish and disappointment I read in posts about it seems based on the destruction of an expectation and illusion. "I'm angry because I found out my cherished belief isn't true."

No, you're angry because your cherished belief in the holy annointing of warriors in combat is proven false, and the construct that some immeasurable superiority or enlightenment unavailable to common mortals has failed. That's because it doesn't exist. The draft, used to provide soldiers for WWII, Korea, and Vietnam long ago showed ordinary mortals are sent to war, and battle damaged or not, ordinary mortals return. They are nothing more than that.

You have to accept a lie - that combat is a "holy" experience - to accept that being a combat vet makes a difference, and then give credence to negative speculation. Those who self righteously demand more answers from individuals miss an important point. You should be demanding answers from yourself. Why did you accept the delusion combat makes a difference?

As I said about 1,000 posts back, you will not resolve this, and certainly not here. It's not about the knives, or the skills of the knifemakers, which the knives amply testify. It's about seeing the lie that is exposed in your own thinking.


AMEN brother!!!
 
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