Strider Knives, Game Over!

[RWS]

If, as a LEO; you apprenhended a bank robber who had escaped from prison 5 years earlier and he was now, at present time; a pillar of the community.... would you just let him go ? [/U][/I]

I think it all depends on whether the bank robber eventually convinced everyone that he was some sort of Elite American Super-Dooper American Hero(i.e., EASDAH) and as a result then became an American Idol in the eyes of a group of hero worshipers that admired and looked up to him while the hero worshipers longed for in some way, any way, to be associated with him and his super natural hero powers that he possessed. And then, if he became "best friends" with all his new found chums that would now do or say anything to protect their new hero and if............and this following thing is key for letting someone off the hook.......they all would be willing to leave their kids with him because they trusted him now because he is now not only a hero, but is a real chum buddy......then, yes he should be let go and set free without anyone disturbing the balance of nature that the hero created between him and all his "i'd leave my kids with him" chum buddies.

Please, leave him be!!

 

[Gene Martin]

In California it's called an "Unfair Business Practice." If you are doing something that gives you an unfair advantage over your competitors, you are subject to serious civil penalties, used to be $6K/day for continuing the practice. I don't remember the code section because it's been a long time since I used it, but it is very effective.

That may well be why the "coaches" have put a lid on it. If it can be shown that false claims gave SKI an unfair advantage over their competitors, they are in deep weeds. And the State loves these because they make a lot of money from it in civil penalties. There is no conviction, an agreement is reached between the DA and accused parties. If the accused fails to agree, it becomes a civil case, not a crimonal case. Civil cases require a preponderance of evidence, not the beyond a reasonable doubt standard. That means 51% compared to 99.9% .

Whether the SD county DA's ofc is contemplating that action I don't know. I do know that we applied it to good use before I retired. On one case, we dumped the conspiracy, most of the many problems were misdemeanors, but we settled for $105K on one case. Easier to prove, less burden of proof, and a civil compromise.

I strongly suspect that is perhaps the biggest reason DD hasn't responded. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't, but keeping his mouth shut makes it harder, marginally, to get a filing. And whether he does finally decide to talk about this, whether he is or he isn't a scout sniper, it will be proven soon enough.

Yes, the main premise is speculation. The consequence is very real. And no one like Buck or Kershaw have to sue, it's simply a done deal if the DA goes for it.

Gene

 

[qpuf]

So Tamishigiri, just because you and I have have a mutual friend, it automatically means we're buds as well? That's what you are saying about Luke M, right? Sorry, I don't agree with that. I think your biggest obstacle is that you have so much anymosity to anything Strider, much of your fact-finding is put into question. It doesn't help that your findings are extremely difficult to absorb based on how you present them. I have to read many of your postings, when you don't edit them, more than once to understand whom is saying what.

 

[Spark]

My guess here, and this for the record is speculation (A Possibility) based on the the current silence out of San Marcos California. Lies were told to both Kershaw and Buck Knives to get contracts, now some fancy lawyers are looking into the situation in depth on both sides because it involves real money and sales well beyond that of a small custom knife shop. It appears that because lies were told to get the contracts that there may very well be "Litigation" just as Duane Dwyer stated on the phone but it is not litigation to prove he is in fact a Marine Sniper but them getting sued for telling lies to get contracts aka FRAUD!

Now their "Striders" lawyers have told the team to STFU while they back peddle as fast as they can so they do not lose their asses in court for fraudulent business practices. This is pure speculation on my part but I will not be surprised at all if it was in the future to prove to be a fact. If you think about it, the last thing Kershaw or Buck Knives wants is some nasty public legal battle, this kind of thing is best handled behind closed doors but that still does not make Duane Dwyer a Marine Sniper even if all parties involved were to reach some kind of agreement (settle out of court) and it were never to be made public.

This was completely out of line and has no place in this thread. I don't appreciate your trying to bait Kershaw or Buck into doing something, nor should you have made the implication that they are / would / could / might pursue litigation. This statement had no purpose but to troll and try to further inflame people on this topic.

Furthermore, it's almost like you are deliberately trying to get lawsuits started for libel & slander, which nobody other than the lawyers would benefit from. There's plenty of reason to be pissed if the claims of military service do not bear out - there's no reason to drag in companies & businesses.

 

[Firecap]

This was completely out of line and has no place in this thread. I don't appreciate your trying to bait Kershaw or Buck into doing something, nor should you have made the implication that they are / would / could / might pursue litigation. This statement had no purpose but to troll and try to further inflame people on this topic.

Furthermore, it's almost like you are deliberately trying to get lawsuits started for libel & slander, which nobody other than the lawyers would benefit from. There's plenty of reason to be pissed if the claims of military service do not bear out - there's no reason to drag in companies & businesses.

Spark, finally you and I agree on something whole heartily !! Good job. With that.

 

[Keith Montgomery]

After having followed this thread for over a month now, it is looking like those that posted that the original intent was to harm the business of Strider Knives, were correct.

 

[qpuf]

After having followed this thread for over a month now, it is looking like those that posted that the original intent was to harm the business of Strider Knives, were correct.

Regardless of outcome, this has been very clear to many, I would think.

 

[teacher]

I think it all depends on whether the bank robber eventually convinced everyone that he was some sort of Elite American Super-Dooper American Hero(i.e., EASDAH) and as a result then became an American Idol in the eyes of a group of hero worshipers that admired and looked up to him while the hero worshipers longed for in some way, any way, to be associated with him and his super natural hero powers that he possessed. And then, if he became "best friends" with all his new found chums that would now do or say anything to protect their new hero and if............and this following thing is key for letting someone off the hook.......they all would be willing to leave their kids with him because they trusted him now because he is now not only a hero, but is a real chum buddy......then, yes he should be let go and set free without anyone disturbing the balance of nature that the hero created between him and all his "i'd leave my kids with him" chum buddies.

Wonderfully stated.....:thumbup:
I am now LMREOOTFWTIME ..... [got that ?..?.. ..]

Please, leave him be!!

Point taken.......
What you said above is probably about the closest thing I'll get to an answer from him anyway....... :jerkit:

PS/ No I see he has been on line a while.. he may just be forming up a reply.... I'll keep my fingers crossed that I will get that answer yet.

 

[Firecap]

After having followed this thread for over a month now, it is looking like those that posted that the original intent was to harm the business of Strider Knives, were correct.

Especially since that was his first post on this forum. I agree with you.
I think he came here to do damage and to troll. Sounds like he indeed does have a agenda.

 

[Cougar Allen]

After having followed this thread for over a month now, it is looking like those that posted that the original intent was to harm the business of Strider Knives, were correct.

The intent of whom, in doing what, and what bearing does it have on the facts? (Unless it has some bearing on the facts there isn't much point in answering the first two of those questions, is there?)

Frankly I think some of the people who have posted in this thread have a large variety of motives and individual mental capacities, but with all the yammering there's still a DD214 posted at pownetwork.org....

 

[Firecap]

The intent of whom, in doing what, and what bearing does it have on the facts? (Unless it has some bearing on the facts there isn't much point in answering the first two of those questions, is there?)

Frankly I think some of the people who have posted in this thread have a large variety of motives and individual mental capacities, but with all the yammering there's still a DD214 posted at pownetwork.org....

All this is true Cougar Allen, but again this begs to question....why was it brought here if not for an agenda?? Especially for a first time poster??

 

[Spark]

All this is true Cougar Allen, but again this begs to question....why was it brought here if not for an agenda?? Especially for a first time poster??

Why was so much hay made about being a combat vet or years of Special Operations experience or being a Scout / Sniper?

Even if Bubbanumber1 did this with ill intent, it doesn't change the facts of the matter. The stuff was posted on POWNetwork before the thread was made, so it's not like the can of worms could be sealed shut.

 

[Cougar Allen]

Who cares what the motivations of the person who happened to be first to post the link here might have been? Do you think if he hadn't posted it no one else would have, and Bladeforums would have remained forever ignorant of the entry at pownetwork.org?

Do you think if you prove the person who posted the link to pownetwork.org here was acting under the evil influence of mind control rays sent by destructive robots left over from the fall of Atlantis then everyone will forget all about that DD214?

 

[DaveH]

I can't comment amount the OP reasons for posting, but I for one would like to know when I'm being lied to.

 

[Firecap]

Who cares what the motivations of the person who happened to be first to post the link here might have been? Do you think if he hadn't posted it no one else would have, and Bladeforums would have remained forever ignorant of the entry at pownetwork.org?

Do you think if you prove the person who posted the link to pownetwork.org here was acting under the evil influence of mind control rays sent by destructive robots left over from the fall of Atlantis then everyone will forget all about that DD214?

This is how I feel. I feel he posted it here because he knew this is the only forum that it would fly, because admit it, this is pretty much an anti-Strider forum. An yes, I think he posted here due to influence by people like Lance and some of his co-harts. I would like to really know the connection between bubbanumber1 and Lance. No one seems to know who in fact he is. Quite convenient I would say. And by the way does anyone really know that that is Dwyers DD214. Isn't that the one that says Pollard?? Just asking.

 

[Spark]

This is how I feel. I feel he posted it here because he knew this is the only forum that it would fly, because admit it, this is pretty much an anti-Strider forum. An yes, I think he posted here due to influence by people like Lance and some of his co-harts. I would like to really know the connection between bubbanumber1 and Lance. No one seems to know who in fact he is. Quite convenient I would say. And by the way does anyone really know that that is Dwyers DD214. Isn't that the one that says Pollard?? Just asking.

This isn't an anti-Strider forum, number one. There are plenty of Strider defenders here, just like there are plenty of people who don't like them. The difference is that this site allows both sides to have their say, not just banning and deleting one side. Throughout this the folks defending Dwyer / Strider / etc have been encouraged to provide any factual information, and haven't been muzzled for anything other than breaking the rules of the site.

Number 2, if you think he's influenced by others, you should take that up with him, regardless, I'm sure the litigation will track down who this person is. Subpoena's are funny like that.

Number 3, if Dwyer isn't Poland, it'll be very interesting. It certain seems like that their being two separate people is becoming a difficult hypothesis to prove these days.

 

[teacher]

I see where what Bubba posted could be a very real possibility.

IMO, in hindsight it probably would have better if he had left out the names of the two major companies..... although, they have already been brought up many other times in this thread.

And, also IMO; he should have posted at the very top of it, as a TITLE..... that it was his "guess" and "speculation" ..........in big bold letters.

I really can't find a flaw in what he say's though....... nobody else has provided anything but silence. At this point, sadly for the one's involved; there most likely is a very good reason for that silence. ["most likely"... being the key words]

I have to agree with Cougar Allen .... motive of posting does not change the true facts of a matter. Even if... [notice I said.. EVEN IF]... Bubba hates their very guts and the ground they walk on, and he has "motives" and "agenda's" coming out the wazoo.

It does not.... and will not.... change .... whatever the TRUE FACTS are and prove to be.

I think Mr. Gene Martin's post above, about .. "Unfair Business Practice." ... was very informative. If it applies to SKI.... time will tell.

 

[RWS]

All this is true Cougar Allen, but again this begs to question....why was it brought here if not for an agenda?? Especially for a first time poster??

Having an agenda and the NEED to bring something as important as this to the attention of the knife community are not mutually exclusive.

It may appear that the thread starter has an ulterior motive and is enjoying watching these guys go down in flames, but that's his problem. Most of us here are smart enough to see some of the trolling taking place.....including some of my unnecessarily sarcastic posts.

That in and of itself doesn't invalidate the legitimate concerns that other knife collectors here are expressing about this very real and very significant issue.

EDITED TO ADD:

If their business is damaged because of all this, it sure isn't the fault of the messenger.

 

[Cougar Allen]

Actually there is one forum website that some people might describe as anti-Strider, but this ain't it. Bladeforums is the place where everyone is allowed to post their viewpoints, whatever their viewpoints may be.

The New Colossus

like the brazen giant of Greek fame,

With conquering limbs astride from land to land;

Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand

A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame

Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name

Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand

Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command

The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she

With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

 

[Tamishigiri]

qpuf writes:

So Tamishigiri, just because you and I have have a mutual friend, it automatically means we're buds as well? That's what you are saying about Luke M, right? Sorry, I don't agree with that. I think your biggest obstacle is that you have so much anymosity to anything Strider, much of your fact-finding is put into question. It doesn't help that your findings are extremely difficult to absorb based on how you present them. I have to read many of your postings, when you don't edit them, more than once to understand whom is saying what.

Could care less if you agree or NOT it's the TRUTH.

YOU dont have any OBSTACLES, when you tell the truth.


I do have anymosity for anyone who continues to lie and tries to LIBEL people who are good honest people. Too bad for you that your ETHICAL and MORAL COMPASS are askew....

You need to work on your READING COMPREHENSION skills.

FUNNY, My "COACHES" have NO issues or problems understanding me either...

I'm NOT here to hold your hand, EXPLAIN it to you and COMFORT you so YOU can understand it all.


It is written so that WHEN there are ANY further developments, it is a matter of record and documented or did YOU not figure that out yet either...