Strider PT. 30 disappointing minutes.

SIFU1A said:
on the 6 striders i have had (an AR, GB, 3 SnG's and a SmF) they are

*on both the AR & the GB the G10 wasnt fitted very well, worked just fine but they coulda done better imho.

* all of the ones i have had had numerous imperfections ranging from the coating having scuffs/chips to minor scuffs and chips in the ti.

really just litttle stuff which just wasnt right, the last one i had, an SnG, had one minor scuff around the pivot pin and was otherwise perfect and it was easily the best finished one i have ever seen, all the others had more than one.

honestly for the $$ they could & should do better in that regard, like i stated earlier ralph, crawford, emerson all exhibit a lot better fit and finish, none of them had a blemish (or blemishes) from the maker.

& i like them a lot, imho the SnG is a really good edc knife, fits the hand well, carries well, really the only con is the poor F&F on them.

imho the reason they sell so well is that they are a darned good knife, the reason they can get $400 for them is that there is evidently some demand for them due to the fact that they are a good knife. and price is a relative thing to a lotta folks if they want something they are gonna get it price be damned.
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Well yeah, scuffs and finish abrasions. I have seen those. I attribute those to the handling they get by the reseller..no box remember. But as far as fit and actual machining I have yet to see a turkey. I do have customs and some semi's that are at a level higher in F&F but I carry my SNG because its to damned well thought out. My only grips is that the blade may be a tad too thick to be a top notch slicer.
 
I have to wonder if the people that defend the obvious lack of moral character of Mick Strider, would feel the same way if they bought the EXACT same knife for the same price from a guy making knives in his garage ?

Take away all the hype and b.s, and I'll bet people would not be as happy with their "prized" knife...

This is not a personal thing directed only at Strider, and everyone has done something they are not proud of, but if you take away honesty and moral integrity it doesn't leave much. IMO, someone that would lie at the level he did, will probably always be a liar. I can't speak for anyone else, but I chose to not associate with people like that, whether in business or on a personal level...
I have more respect for people that tell me the truth, even if its not what I really want to hear.
 
Spark said:
So give it a rest, Wylie. I know free bro knives engender a lot of good will out there, but you aren't going to have much success in trying to drag down honest folks to the level of the people you are defending.
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It's a fact you and I will never agree on some things. However you mention " drag down honest folks to the level of the people you are defending." , that is not my intention to drag any of them anywhere , some of those criticizing and some of those they are praising in comparison to Strider aren't so honest either.

And as you know , my screen name is my real name ( well technically I was born the III , but changed it to Jr as that it what dad called me.. just wanted to toss that out there to clear the air ;) ) , however you notice most ( on both sides of the argument ) can't say the same.

Just have to agree to disagree on this one subject. My BRO knife has nothing to do with my support of Strider knives , I just know them in a different light than many of you all see them that's all.
 
I had some disappointing customer service experience with them. I bought a new SnG and it had bladeplay. I sent it in and it took them over a month to get it back to me. ALl I asked was to tighten the pivot and remove the bladeplay. After the knife returned it had no play for like an hour and the bladeplay returned. I complained on USN and I was told that a little play is normal and someone quoted Mick saying so.

It's a high quality knife, maybe a little overpriced, but I can respect that it's a well made tool. But I don't like paying $400 for a knife with blade wiggle. I had to send it back again, thankfully it returned in less than 2 weeks this time. I'm not sure what it is, but there is some allure to their knives. While I personally like my Emerson/Benchmade/Spyderco stuff better, I can see why people would like a folder like the SMF or SNG.
 
tirod3 said:
The ads clearly show military personnel using knives, or knives in rugged environments.
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what ads... the Benchmade ads, the Ontario ads, the Columbia River Ads, the Dark Ops ads.........

Nobody said you have to like Mick and Duane, but I support their right to be exactly what who they are. They are Americans, too.
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Yep. And we all share in the same rights, like being able to keep and bear arms, vote, run for office, serve on a jury, be a taxi driver, own a pawn shop...

Oh wait, sorry Mick. Legal repercussions suck.
 
I will admit I was slightly disappointed when my SMF showed up wrapped in a paper towel! I kind of like having a box with my knife, that way I can display it proudly in my room somewhere.:D
 
I have long ago made my decision as far as the Mick and Duane thing is concerned. That is a personal decision, as it should be for anyone else. I don't look down upon people that are on either side of this debate.

It is a shame that the mention of certain manufacturers/makers in a thread will result in a total deterioration of the thread into a bunch of name calling. It would be great if people could stick to the original topic, but I guess that just isn't human nature. I know that I have certainly been guilty in the past of doing exactly the same thing. In the future I plan on leaving the flame wars to others.
 
As for you, tirod3 (oh look, anonymous username talking crap about folks who don't like being lied to), stop trying to compare everyone to mall ninjas.

90% or more of us here use anonymous user names because it's the practice. If full legal name and address are needed, ask for it. I'm not hiding anywhere, I'm on half a dozen other forums under the same login - Jeeps, guns, etc. In fact, I'll pm anyone who wants it in exchange for theirs. Kinda useless, tho, as you aren't going to drive from way over there, and I don't keep beer around.

Spark, you overreach when you say I'm trying to compare everyone to a mall ninja. I don't remember using the phrase at all. I said "mall princess." I was asked what my dog was in this fight - the OP complaining about a lack of packaging. I replied they were a being a spoiled brat. I know you served our country in the Engineers, sweat equity is something any soldier comes to know well. I really think those who complain lack any understanding of what real work, and real life is all about. I'm pointing that out. That's the point I make. I don't defend LMS statements, or embellishment on a service record. I rarely discuss it, but I do stray into one area - who the heck is anyone to pass judgement on matters they can only understand second hand?

When it comes down to it, I've never heard from the guy who was told to LMS. And I've never heard of a Strider buyer claiming they bought a knife under false pretenses. Of course, I have heard of people being invited to discuss it face to face with the Strider owners. Never did hear how that turned out or what was said. Apparently their outrage is only pixel deep.

It's been obvious for years now there is a small contingent of Strider haters who look for opportunities to drag up old news. As time goes by, two things are happening. 1) there are more Strider owners just tickled pink with a no nonsense tool 2) there have been no repeated issues that offend customers.

Strider Knives has moved on. Apparently some can't let go of a vendetta that never involved them to begin with.
 
Honesty and moral integrity of course extends much further than ones military career(agreed, its a particularly touchy subject). According to information I've seen here on this site, there seems to be fair amount of lack of either among the knife community, both manufacturers and the customers. Should we bring up all these issues known to the public on all threads asking for advise about a knife purchase or perceived problem with a knife? Or subforums and the other knife communities with obvious bias and sycophantism? Just so that all would be aware of such issues and could make the right decisions accordingly? That all new "honest" people would be briefed on the "bad people with their sycophants" so that they could remain "honest"? While and for holding the moral high ground of course? I mean not all people check GBU...
 
Spark said:
You know, my name is pretty clear at the bottom of every one of my posts. Most of the groupies, on the other hand... they like being anonymous because it keeps them from being called on their BS statements and saves them from being embarrassed when their "golden boys" are shown to be fakes. Much like the excuses never seem to run out either. I guess denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

As for the rest, you Strider sycophants have always led the way in belittling and attacking those who dare disagree with you; probably because you are led by example ("Lick my sack, losers" ring a bell?)

So give it a rest, Wylie. I know free bro knives engender a lot of good will out there, but you aren't going to have much success in trying to drag down honest folks to the level of the people you are defending.

As for you, tirod3 (oh look, anonymous username talking crap about folks who don't like being lied to), stop trying to compare everyone to mall ninjas. We all know who the real mall-ninjas are... the guys who pretended to be something they weren't. "God Forbid they should ever actually serve their country instead of be served by all" is especially ironic when people try to cash in on the "for those who serve" sentiment by inflating their non-existent resumes with tales of combat & schools attended & daring deeds in far off lands.

It's been stated repeatedly: It's the customer's right to be unhappy with manufacturing defects in a $400 knife. Free from defects in workmanship is not a "elevated expectation" - you are just victim to hype. Lack of attention to detail isn't something to be coveted, especially for those in the military.
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Highlighted a couple things I want to point out.

I like my Strider knives, but I don't feel like a Sycophant or Groupie. I cannot recall belittling anyone with my posts on their knife choices.

As the man in charge of Blade Forums, the way you conduct yourself sets the tone for how other perceive they can behave. I understand there is badblood between you and Strider knives and that is your opinion & none of my business. But when you make posts like that, I don't feel to welcome here & it gives me the sense that bashing Strider knives is encouraged here. That kind of attitude creates the animosity you mention. Someone comes on here posting about how they love their <insert Strider knife here> and they get flamed for it & watch their thread spiral off on a tangent for 50 pages. They say to hell with this place, head to Badlands, or the USN, and you've just created another poster with an attitude against Blade Forums.

I participate in Knife Forums, USN, Blade Forums, and Badlands, and I see more examples of childish internet behavior here. Maybe it's because it is a larger population site, but there are days I feel like I'm surfing through a World of Warcraft site. It's a shame too as there is a lot of good subforums here with knowledgeable posters that get overshadowed by this.

And my forum name is not so much anonymous, but rather a jab at myself - I lost a chunk of my neck to cancer while serving in the Army. Maybe if you want a poster not to remain anonymous you should make it a requirement to fill out their profiles.

Edit: Went to check & see if my name was under my profile. Can't see it, nor edit it in. Could be because I'm no longer a paying member. So here it is - James P. Quarles Jr.
 
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Halfneck said:
. Someone comes on here posting about how they love their <insert Strider knife here> and they get flamed for it & watch their thread spiral off on a tangent for 50 pages.
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I've never seen that happen. There are MANY threads about how cool someone thought their SNG or SMF was, and no one jumped down their throat with dicketry. Generally, a civil discussion of the merits of the knife ensues.
It's only when someone says something BAD about the Holy Knife that the insults fly.
Why is that, do you think?
 
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stabman said:
I've never seen that happen. There are MANY threads about how cool someone thought their SNG or SMF was, and no one jumped down their throat with dicketry. Generally, a cicil discussion of the merits of the knife ensues.
It's only when someone says something BAD about the Holy Knife that the insults fly.
Why is that, do you think?
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Generalized example on my part - my bad.

In your above example though, I will try an answer.

The OP of this thread posted about being upset that his PT came without a box and the frame-lock engaged just a bit. Different posters came on here to let him know that it is normal for Strider knives (Not other companies) to come shipped that way & that the early lock-up is a good thing.

Then some posters came along commenting that they found it ridiculous for a $300 knife not to come packaged in something. Other posters defended Strider knives on this point, and from there it spiraled out of control.

If the OP had made a comment about being upset that he spent $300 for a Busse knife and did not get a sheath & the Hogs had defended Busse, would it of garnered as much attention? I doubt it. Busse does not have the same drama behind it that Strider does, but my comparison is similar. Busse makes a good knife for the money & lets the customer figure out the option on how they want it sheathed. Strider makes a good knife for the money & sells you the knife & not the box.
 
Halfneck said:
As the man in charge of Blade Forums, the way you conduct yourself sets the tone for how other perceive they can behave. I understand there is badblood between you and Strider knives and that is your opinion & none of my business. But when you make posts like that, I don't feel to welcome here & it gives me the sense that bashing Strider knives is encouraged here. That kind of attitude creates the animosity you mention. Someone comes on here posting about how they love their <insert Strider knife here> and they get flamed for it & watch their thread spiral off on a tangent for 50 pages. They say to hell with this place, head to Badlands, or the USN, and you've just created another poster with an attitude against Blade Forums.

I participate in Knife Forums, USN, Blade Forums, and Badlands, and I see more examples of childish internet behavior here. Maybe it's because it is a larger population site, but there are days I feel like I'm surfing through a World of Warcraft site. It's a shame too as there is a lot of good subforums here with knowledgeable posters that get overshadowed by this.
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Honestly, I don't really care where you participate. Unlike some of the other forums mentioned above, posting there won't get you banned here and I have plenty of testimonials about the lack of professionalism & outright cultish behavior that goes on elsewhere. The difference is I don't care for nor encourage cross site flame wars... in fact they are actively quashed here. One of the sites you mentioned, on the other hand, has a "sparkles" smilie, so don't give me any BS about professionalism elsewhere. Some forums even have dedicated sub-forums for exposing phony veterans on them, yet guess what happens if certain folks are mentioned?

As far as leading by example goes, I have absolutely no problems with calling fakes fakes, liars liars, and exposing BS & hype. You are right there's bad blood between myself and Strider, and it's the blame for that lays squarely on the unprofessional, immature, & outright dishonest behavior that I & my forum members were repeatedly subjected to. That you people were outright lied to & still line up to defend them pr make excuses is nothing short of amazing. If you are a veteran and can stomach some booted out E1 making up war stories & saying they were overseas in combat instead of in prison just so they can make money on knives... that speaks volumes about your beliefs.

There's millions of double standards taking place on "your side" - maybe you don't remember this quote:
Mick Strider said:
We live in a world where people feel as if they have the right to act with complete impunity.
That bothers me. Because of that, I hold people accountable for their words and actions.
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from the thread that exposed the lies. Your name is in there a bunch, defending liars. It also shows up repeatedly when other threads come up, again defending liars.

You never have to feel unwelcome because of your knife choices. Feeling unwelcome because you defend dishonesty and associated behavior is another matter.
 
spidyman said:
Who in the heck really cares if he served or if he didn't!
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Not me. If he was a civilian his whole life, I wouldn't care. If he spent 3 or 4 years as a cook in the Army, I wouldn't care. I only care that he lied and claimed to be something that he wasn't, which in my view is stealing valor earned by the blood and sweat of other men.

I was in the service too. I wasn't a high-speed low-drag operator, I was a communicator. And I don't care who knows it, because I did my job and served the country doing what I could do best. I don't need any fake grandiose stories to be proud of who I am and what I've done.

I swear, I find the sycophant blind butt-boy cheerleaders to be twice as disgusting as the lying fakers themselves.
 
Spark - points taken. I have my opinions & you have yours & on this we won't agree. Don't see any reason to be rude about it to you as I don't personally know you. Not pleased that you seem to have formed an opinion on my character based on what I have posted here, but then it does not factor in my life so I don't let it bother me much.

Enjoy your forum & I'll still enjoy the parts of it I like.
 
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Halfneck said:
Other posters defended Strider knives on this point
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The problem IMHO is that those "other posters"(Strider fans) defend their favorite(Strider) by offending those who think otherwise. Calling names, implying that only mentally challenged don't like Strider knives, that only fool can question Strider's wisdom and FF. Then fans get cranky when more and more of Strider history comes out...

As far as CS goes, I wouldn't compare Strider to Busse. Really, no need to drag Busse into this. It was a thread about Strider knives FF, and eventually became about their CS. BTW, it was Strider fans who brought up that point - CS and integrity, to which there are very obvious objections, none of it was made up by Strider critics, it's all public, Strider's posts and court records.
 
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Gator97 - That's why I'm not rude about it. Nothing but respect for Busse knives. Don't own one myself, closest I have is a Swamprat. Not dragging them into question, just used them as an example.
 
Halfneck said:
Spark - points taken. I have my opinions & you have yours & on this we won't agree. Don't see any reason to be rude about it to you as I don't personally know you. Not pleased that you seem to have formed an opinion on my character based on what I have posted here, but then it does not factor in my life so I don't let it bother me much.

Enjoy your forum & I'll still enjoy the parts of it I like.
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If the majority of the people defending Strider & co showed as much restraint & class as you've in this thread, there wouldn't be anywhere near as many problems.

My apologies for being curt & short tempered. It's been a long week, but that is no excuse for poor behavior.
 
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