Strider PT. 30 disappointing minutes.

What I find humorous is those that criticize Mick and Duane , yet the same people support people/companies who are guilty of some serious stuff as well. If you don't like em for personal reasons , just say so already.

Ya'll act like they are responsible for a thousand deaths or something .

Me , I like both the knives and the people behind them. Call me a fan boy , call me whatever , doesn't matter to me one bit what I am called , I call those guys friends.

Perhaps before you cock you arm back to throw the stone , take a long look in the mirror yourself.

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Hehehehe...... I've been away for a few years, but things haven't changed much. There are those that love Strider, and those that hate Strider. The quality of the knives seems to have very little to do with these arguments.
 
Buzzbait said:
The quality of the knives seems to have very little to do with these arguments.
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Well, in this thread, and in a few others I've seen, it was a complaint about quality that started 'these arguments,' Buzz.

From what I've seen on these forums, the typical 'Strider complaint' thread goes as follows:

1) OP complains about the F&F of their knife.

2) Rabid fans jump in and say something to the effect of, "they're hard core tools, build by hard core dudes, and as such, are meant to be used, not looked at."

3) People bring up the fact that there's documentation that the 'hard core dudes' aren't really as 'hard core' as they've claimed.

4) The rabid fans, presumably now theologians, spout off a Sunday school lecture about about the virtues of forgiveness, not casting stones, and taking hard looks in mirrors.

5) 50+ pages later, the thread gets locked.

;)

Regards,
3G
 
Jos said:
Yeah. I don't get that. "Look in the mirror and cast the first stone" Well then you've got a broken mirror right? What good is that? ;)
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Thanks, Jos. You reminded me that I forgot one step above:

4.5) Jos shows up with
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Regards,
3G
 
3Guardsmen said:
Well, in this thread, and in a few others I've seen, it was a complaint about quality that started 'these arguments,' Buzz.

From what I've seen on these forums, the typical 'Strider complaint' thread goes as follows:

1) OP complains about the F&F of their knife.

2) Rabid fans jump in and say something to the effect of, "they're hard core tools, build by hard core dudes, and as such, are meant to be used, not looked at."

3) People bring up the fact that there's documentation that the 'hard core dudes' aren't really as 'hard core' as they've claimed.

4) The rabid fans, presumably now theologians, spout off a Sunday school lecture about about the virtues of forgiveness, not casting stones, and taking hard looks in mirrors.

5) 50+ pages later, the thread gets locked.

;)

Regards,
3G
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Re-read the first page. Not so much rabid on the relevant part of the thread. I don't know if shipping in ziploc bag or missing instructions qualify as quality control or f&f issue but this went astray because strider has a lot of drama that can be used for easy thread astraying. All parties are quilty of that. And yes, you are inserting too much generalization about strider threads with an obvious team picked. ;)

It should also be noted that some expressing their opinions and information here do have/had a dog in the fight at some point :jerkit:
 
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akadave2 said:
What imperfections have you seen and which ones are the most pervasive?
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on the 6 striders i have had (an AR, GB, 3 SnG's and a SmF) they are

*on both the AR & the GB the G10 wasnt fitted very well, worked just fine but they coulda done better imho.

* all of the ones i have had had numerous imperfections ranging from the coating having scuffs/chips to minor scuffs and chips in the ti.

really just litttle stuff which just wasnt right, the last one i had, an SnG, had one minor scuff around the pivot pin and was otherwise perfect and it was easily the best finished one i have ever seen, all the others had more than one.

honestly for the $$ they could & should do better in that regard, like i stated earlier ralph, crawford, emerson all exhibit a lot better fit and finish, none of them had a blemish (or blemishes) from the maker.

& i like them a lot, imho the SnG is a really good edc knife, fits the hand well, carries well, really the only con is the poor F&F on them.

imho the reason they sell so well is that they are a darned good knife, the reason they can get $400 for them is that there is evidently some demand for them due to the fact that they are a good knife. and price is a relative thing to a lotta folks if they want something they are gonna get it price be damned.
 
you are damn right it's a integrity issue...at least to people that have integrity themselves.

i have no bones to pick here or stones to throw but one thing i have seen here on this forum (from my limited experience):

if one goes to the various manufacture forums you will find a rep from that company (spyderco, sog, kershaw, etc.) that actually communicates with the end user.

that means a helluva lot to me, being that it is so rare these days.

regards,

pepper
 
Gus Kalanzis said:
Well that seems to contain a lot of irony. :D

A more valid point might be:
What pains me are people who defend makers that exhibit poor morals.
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spidyman said:
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When you lower yourself to the standards of those that you criticise, you have lost your morals.
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Can you back up anything you say? What exactly are you accusing members/moderators of doing when you say "you lower yourself to the standards of those you criticize?" Of what "low standards" do you speak? What are you trying to communicate, cause quite frankly, like I said before, even you don't apear to know?
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spidyman said:
The only irony that I see is that people have gone way lower than Mick ever did; and still feel that they are better and have higher moral values!
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In the sentence above, you talk about people "lowering themselves to the level of those they criticize," now you're talking about people going "way lower than Mick ever did." Make up your mind! And while you're doing that, perhaps you like to fill us in on the why you feel Mick has gone "low", when just a couple pages back, you insinuated that the Government might not be telling the truth about Mick's real exploits, and stated there was no "definitive proof" of any of the claims people made about him?

spidyman said:
Its real simple if you don't like the person or the product don't buy it but don't tell others they are wrong for doing such.
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You're against freedom of speech?:eek:
 
pepper said:
you are damn right it's a integrity issue...at least to people that have integrity themselves.

i have no bones to pick here or stones to throw but one thing i have seen here on this forum (from my limited experience):

if one goes to the various manufacture forums you will find a rep from that company (spyderco, sog, kershaw, etc.) that actually communicates with the end user.

that means a helluva lot to me, being that it is so rare these days.

regards,

pepper
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Pepper, there are at least 2 forums that you can communicate with Strider personnel. This info may help you and others so I hope its fine this time: badlandsforums.com and usualsuspect.net
 
Maybe a different take.

For less money one can buy a other folders where fit and finish is much better, say sebenza, so for some people things like this matter and matter a lot. I know for 400+ I would like to have a knife regarless of it being desinged for uber hard use or not to look like a 400+ dollar knife, and not have someone pull out a 200+/- dollar spyderco and have the 400+ dollar knife fail in comparison on fit and finish. Apparently others feel the same way and some do not, neither side should fault the other in this, this is personal preferance plain and simple. Additionally some peope just don't care for certain designs I for one fall into this catagory and only like folders with solid titanium handles on both sides, I dislike G10, zytel, and other polymer handles I don't see the point, but thats just me, so I buy and use only knives with only solid Ti handles.

Now for the last thing, about the claims. People on both sides need to realize that the suspect claims surrounding military service stirs deep emotions in people especially those that have served or have friends and loved ones who do ro did. Military service and the remarkable individuals who engage in that selfless act on behalf of the rest of us, is generally regarded as a serious matter here in the US where we have the finest military in the world and it is all volunteer. This especially gets sensative when someone appears, notice I said appears, to be using their service record for profit by means of their marketing strategy. To me there seems (notice I said seems) to be an air of suspcion surrounding this whole strider thing so I simply choose not to buy their products, but I am not going to knock someone who does. It is their decision to make and ultimately something that they alone have to be comfortable with it does not and should not matter what I think about their knife buying choices. I don't look down on them for buying the products again it is their choice and after all that is what being an individual in this country is all about, know what I mean?

Just my take on this dead horse and remember it is just my opinion.
 
PatriotDan said:
The team picked is always the one that has the right facts and the right idealogy.
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not always.. or we wouldn't have the president we do today.

:p

There will always be those the choose to defend Strider knives , and there will always be those the criticize. Funny how those that criticize seem to always belittle the people who support Strider , and they are usually under an anonymous screen name....

funny that eh ? Someone baggin on another for something they themselves are doing. :jerkit:
 
John T Wylie Jr said:
There will always be those the choose to defend Strider knives , and there will always be those the criticize.
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That about says it all.....

The idea that the knife is going to be used and will get battle scars, is common sense. That said, how many people here would go buy a new car that already has dents and scratches ? The dealer says, Its no big deal, its going to get them after you drive it anyway, so we didn't bother taking much pride in the way we built it ...
 
stabman said:
No, they were probably raised with a quaint concept that you should get the value you pay for. What a WEIRD concept.:rolleyes:
Why you are an apologist for liars with shoddy quality control escapes me. What's YOUR dog in the fight?
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It's not the Mick and Daune haters I have a beef with, I'll never convince them.

MY contention is with the public's mall princess expectation to get something that Strider knives doesn't seem to offer. The ads clearly show military personnel using knives, or knives in rugged environments. There's no mention of special leather slipcases to protect against scratching, or a born on date certificate. Military users don't have a reputation for whining about minor appearance defects, they use the knife in hard duty.

Their comments on the knife run along the lines of "It had a blemish or scratch, but I've kept it for years and I can't break it." Think about it - after a few years of use, would any working knife look mint anyway? So the experienced owner shrugs it off because they have a reality based worldview.

The Newb $400 owner? They are usually non-military, and certainly have elevated expectations that price somehow protects them from getting less than perfection. I see that as a character defect, an inability to discern the real world from their protected fantasy mall life. It's really no surprise they go on a temper tantrum and post their opinion about something as insignificant as a lack of useless bling to wrap their dream in. I see the same in gun forums and car forums - somebody buys something described as a tool to be used, and then gets a hissy about there's a ding in the paint. I immediately wonder what their level of immaturity is.

"The Almighty American Consumer" is a spoiled mallbaby with no real understanding of what it takes to actually make the goods they use, and certainly are prone to overbuying beyond their needs in order to impress their equally ignorant neighbors living in the McMansion next door. God Forbid they should ever actually serve their country instead of be served by all.

Nobody said you have to like Mick and Duane, but I support their right to be exactly what who they are. They are Americans, too.
 
John T Wylie Jr said:
There will always be those the choose to defend Strider knives , and there will always be those the criticize. Funny how those that criticize seem to always belittle the people who support Strider , and they are usually under an anonymous screen name....

funny that eh ? Someone baggin on another for something they themselves are doing. :jerkit:
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You know, my name is pretty clear at the bottom of every one of my posts. Most of the groupies, on the other hand... they like being anonymous because it keeps them from being called on their BS statements and saves them from being embarrassed when their "golden boys" are shown to be fakes. Much like the excuses never seem to run out either. I guess denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

As for the rest, you Strider sycophants have always led the way in belittling and attacking those who dare disagree with you; probably because you are led by example ("Lick my sack, losers" ring a bell?)

So give it a rest, Wylie. I know free bro knives engender a lot of good will out there, but you aren't going to have much success in trying to drag down honest folks to the level of the people you are defending.

As for you, tirod3 (oh look, anonymous username talking crap about folks who don't like being lied to), stop trying to compare everyone to mall ninjas. We all know who the real mall-ninjas are... the guys who pretended to be something they weren't. "God Forbid they should ever actually serve their country instead of be served by all" is especially ironic when people try to cash in on the "for those who serve" sentiment by inflating their non-existent resumes with tales of combat & schools attended & daring deeds in far off lands.

It's been stated repeatedly: It's the customer's right to be unhappy with manufacturing defects in a $400 knife. Free from defects in workmanship is not a "elevated expectation" - you are just victim to hype. Lack of attention to detail isn't something to be coveted, especially for those in the military.
 
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