Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame

[craytab]

I don't really understand your question but they really seem like a ponzi scheme to me. Making a video where they said they would fight buyers asking for a refund "tooth and nail" was crazy. Restocking fee? Once again I'm shocked no one has taken them to court and they're still in good standing with Visa.

The reason they are still at it is because of people like you.

 

[AbjectTestament]

You realize you wrote these two statements in the same post?

How would you feel if you paid a construction contractor a down payment to start work, and they used it to buy the materials for a late job they are already past due on?

You’d sue the f**k out of them, right?

Completely agree with you mate.

I've made numerous comments here that dissatisfied customers should sue them. Go to the police. Get a refund. I was on the phone with Visa the day they passed their shipping date.

Survive! deserves all the negativity they're receiving and then some. No one here should give them a dollar.

 

[benchwarmer380]

I think there's some enabling behavior to go around (which I'm admitting to be a party to) but at the end of the day Survive! is ultimately responsible for their actions (and inaction).

I completely disagree that someone privately selling their own personal property enables the company's poor performance.

Survive is solely responsible for their own actions and inaction.

You are an enabler because you are admittedly aware of their issues and yet continue to send money to the source.

Even if they were as chronically unlucky as they make themselves out to be at one point they need to ask themselves if they're the problem.

Agreed.

I completely agree with you.

I don't really understand your question but they really seem like a ponzi scheme to me. Making a video where they said they would fight buyers asking for a refund "tooth and nail" was crazy. Restocking fee? Once again I'm shocked no one has taken them to court and they're still in good standing with Visa.

It was a very simple question and you actually did understand it because you answered it in the very same sentence.

 

[r8shell]

I don't really understand your question but they really seem like a ponzi scheme to me. Making a video where they said they would fight buyers asking for a refund "tooth and nail" was crazy. Restocking fee? Once again I'm shocked no one has taken them to court and they're still in good standing with Visa.

Survive! deserves all the negativity they're receiving and then some. No one here should give them a dollar.

You say these things, and you also say that you are going to buy/have pre-ordered knives from them. It's your money, so do what you want, but it does sound kinda odd to me.

 

[benchwarmer380]

Are they licensing the Axis lock trade mark now?

No idea.

Yes or no, it doesn't really matter.

If they are not, that is scummy as hell and highlights their character.

If they are, that means that they have paid to license a trademark for a folder that is still just a CAD drawing. They do not sell it nor are they even taking pre-orders.



But that AXIS lock and name is cool, so pre-order money well spent. Those waiting for the knives they paid for can suck it, I suppose.

 

[toker]

Suppose Survive! really screwed up their production projections and capabilities (accurate, right?) and it came down to a decision. If they stop taking pre-orders then they wouldn't have the money to finish their preorders and backlogs. If they keep taking pre-orders then they can eventually get them out.

There is nothing in their history that shows that they can do that. They have outstanding orders going back to 2015 according to their own Production Schedule numbers. There's always someone left holding the bag when they keep selling more preorders.

 

[EngrSorenson]

A side note, when you go to their "Folder Email List" to request a notification on when news of it comes out, they have a few different options to select for the folder.

Which model are you interested in? *
F1
F2
Axis lock design we've been hiding
Axis lock - lightweight version
All of the above


Anyone notice anything?

Ooh, ohh! Pick me!
There’s no “none of the above”.
There’s no “the knife I already ordered and paid for.”

 

[AbjectTestament]

Survive is solely responsible for their own actions and inaction.

You are an enabler

Survive! being solely responsible for their own actions yet others being enablers seems like a double negative but maybe that's a lack of comprehension on my part.

Either way, you're right. My support of Survive! through purchasing their products is enabling them. I get that it's upsetting to a lot of people. I'm going to do what I want with my money but I also don't enjoy other people being frustrated, angry or put out.

Just playing devil's advocate here. Do you think it's a catch-22? Giving them money allows for the continued cycle of duplicity, yet, also gives them the means to make good on their 6 and 7-year-old orders. Is it better for them to go bankrupt tomorrow at the cost of all those unfilled preorders if it means people in the future won't be milked and Survive! doesn't make any more money?

It was a very simple question and you actually did understand it because you answered it in the very same sentence.

In that case excellent.

 

[AbjectTestament]

You say these things, and you also say that you are going to buy/have pre-ordered knives from them. It's your money, so do what you want, but it does sound kinda odd to me.

You hit the nail on the head actually. It's my money to risk or waste as I see fit but that doesn't mean I'd recommend others take the same risk like me.

 

[r8shell]

Just playing devil's advocate here. Do you think it's a catch-22? Giving them money allows for the continued cycle of duplicity, yet, also gives them the means to make good on their 6 and 7-year-old orders. Is it better for them to go bankrupt tomorrow at the cost of all those unfilled preorders if it means people in the future won't be milked and Survive! doesn't make any more money?

Eventually, someone ends up holding the bag. That's how ponzi schemes, pyramid schemes, chain letter scams, etc. work.
Do what you want with your money, but please spare us the BS that you're doing it to help other people get what they paid for.

 

[AbjectTestament]

I agree with you about someone always holding the bag, which is truly unfortunate.

but please spare us the BS that you're doing it to help other people get what they paid for.

Just to be clear I floated that hypothetical what-if but I never said that was the reason why I purchased anything from them.

 

[Triton]

Eventually, someone ends up holding the bag. That's how ponzi schemes, pyramid schemes, chain letter scams, etc. work.
Do what you want with your money, but please spare us the BS that you're doing it to help other people get what they paid for.

This.

I've heard that every criminal in jail is the hero of their own story. No matter what they have done, in their mind they are the good guy. I'm guessing that Madoff's henchmen probably told themselves that they were helping keep things going for the greater good too. Until they weren't.

Blaming others for selling off their survive knives has nothing to do with nor does it justify survives shenanigans. That's simply trying to make the "two wrongs make a right argument.". They don't.

Ponzi schemes eventually fail.

 

[EngrSorenson]

Survive! Knives is a joke, and the punchline is the unfortunate suckers who’ve prepaid for knives in previous years.

Each new “supplier bungling” is now more of a comment on people still buying S!K products than it is about this ridiculous company.

 

[craytab]

No idea.

Yes or no, it doesn't really matter.

If they are not, that is scummy as hell and highlights their character.

If they are, that means that they have paid to license a trademark for a folder that is still just a CAD drawing. They do not sell it nor are they even taking pre-orders.



But that AXIS lock and name is cool, so pre-order money well spent. Those waiting for the knives they paid for can suck it, I suppose.

It is also illegal.

that's a lack of comprehension on my part.

Sure is, sport.

Either way, you're right. My support of Survive! through purchasing their products is enabling them. I get that it's upsetting to a lot of people. I'm going to do what I want with my money but I also don't enjoy other people being frustrated, angry or put out.

Your desire for the knives is greater than your desire to not support thieves in their thievery. Thanks for admitting it.

Just playing devil's advocate here. Do you think it's a catch-22? Giving them money allows for the continued cycle of duplicity, yet, also gives them the means to make good on their 6 and 7-year-old orders. Is it better for them to go bankrupt tomorrow at the cost of all those unfilled preorders if it means people in the future won't be milked and Survive! doesn't make any more money?

Why pretend those are the two options? It's a rhetorical question, I know the answer, no need to respond.

Good honest people would have corrected this issue long ago by sourcing funds in a proper way and stop taking orders until current obligations are fulfilled. Survive knows the issue. They know it so well that they keep doing it rather than change because they are scammers. They were from the start and always will be. This is what scammers and thieves do. They don't want to change.

 

[EngrSorenson]

Just playing devil's advocate here. Do you think it's a catch-22? Giving them money allows for the continued cycle of duplicity, yet, also gives them the means to make good on their 6 and 7-year-old orders. Is it better for them to go bankrupt tomorrow at the cost of all those unfilled preorders if it means people in the future won't be milked and Survive! doesn't make any more money?

If you believe supporting S!K is helping anyone except S!K, you might be the type of person who believes consuming tape worms is a legitimate dieting method.

 

[AbjectTestament]

Your desire for the knives is greater than your desire to not support thieves in their thievery. Thanks for admitting it.

You're welcome, buds.

 

[King of the Cheese]

You're welcome, buds.

Survive isn’t worthy of your undying loyalty. I’ve had people make me better knives that have solid lead times and follow up with me to make sure I’m satisfied. Survive sucks, and this little “try to defend the indefensible” routine is just boring now. Continuing this means one is a shill, a troll, or both.

 

[craytab]

You're welcome, buds.

Posterity quote.

 

[GutWrench]

How convenient. I saw 6 "Bad" blanks not $200,000 worth. They're cresting a Decade of Bad Luck and being let down by respected members of the industry.

I thought it was funny when he stops for a brewski. Kinda puts the severity and concern into perspective.

Enabler-

• a person who encourages or enables negative or self-destructive behavior in another.
  "being an enabler to an addict does more harm than good"

Yeah how he can be so calm and cool when talking about a 200k loss and it putting his whole timeline off for a year, probably more with S!K. Is very telling. But I have thought the same thing every time I watch one of his videos. He is a sociopath. He actually believes himself when he speaks. To him it is all real. He doesn't even see an error in his business practices. Just keeps marching on talking about success and how great they are. It's all a façade...

 

[GAGL]

Anybody know of an alternative for a GSO 3.5?

People often recommend CPK but they got a different blade profile. What initially drew me to SK was their spear point blades which you don't see very often..only blade that comes close is the Becker BK16 but thats a FFG.

I think offering people a similar alternative might be more productive..