Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame

[AbjectTestament]

Enough that you don't care that for you to keep getting these knives, survive has to keep scamming other people. Got it...

Please explain your thought process here.

 

[rxavage]

They probably went with some small local business for the cruwear heat treat, a place lacking the knowledge or ability to treat knives or the amount in the time frame expected.
They will find a way to deflect blame and collect the insurance on that 200k loss. But the customers won’t see any of that or their knives any times soon.
I wonder what kind of contract millet signed that put a lien on the business and why?
I suspect SK has learned how to use the legal system and insurance to their benefit. They’ve suffered several beneficial disasters since that building they owned burned down.

 

[Enzo’s Woodshop]

R rxavage According to S!K themselves, they used Peters for heat treating these CruForge V blades. Which is why I suspect these issues have nothing to do with HT, as I’ve never heard of Peters botching $200k worth of knives before.

 

[Triton]

No of course not.

For starters, it would probably give a few people a stroke and I would feel horrible.

Secondly, people would just turn the thread into a copy of this thread in all its glory.

Third, Guy and his knives have a big enough fan base. Some of them (some of us I should say) are willing to wait 6 years for a knife or willing to have the product they bought changed without their approval. His knives sell out quickly on their website, quickly on eBay and even here with their terrible history, people buy them fast. No need for me to post about it.

There is a saying about fools and their money....

 

[craytab]

Please explain your thought process here.

Please read this thread for an explanation (you know, the one you are posting in). Also, review this information: https://www.investor.gov/introduction-investing/investing-basics/glossary/ponzi-schemes

 

[AbjectTestament]

They probably went with some small local business for the cruwear heat treat, a place lacking the knowledge or ability to treat knives or the amount in the time frame expected.
They will find a way to deflect blame and collect the insurance on that 200k loss. But the customers won’t see any of that or their knives any times soon.
I wonder what kind of contract millet signed that put a lien on the business and why?
I suspect SK has learned how to use the legal system and insurance to their benefit. They’ve suffered several beneficial disasters since that building they owned burned down.

If I'm not mistaken the CruForge 4.7s haven't been available to order for a while. The loss of this stuff will probably put back those orders for years.

 

[AbjectTestament]

Please read this thread for an explanation (you know, the one you are posting in). Also, review this information: https://www.investor.gov/introduction-investing/investing-basics/glossary/ponzi-schemes

I could just as easily argue that my money is enabling Survive! to make progress on their ridiculously overdue orders.

 

[craytab]

I could just as easily argue that my money is enabling Survive! to make progress on their ridiculously overdue orders.

You could but you'd be wrong (like most things you say). Take a look at the link and this entire thread for direct and irrefutable evidence on why.

Keep responding! Just gives this forum more opportunity to keep proving you wrong and why survive is a complete scam. They can't turn off the comments here!

 

[AbjectTestament]

You could but you'd be wrong (like most things you say). Take a look at the link and this entire thread for direct and irrefutable evidence on why.

Keep responding! Just gives this forum more opportunity to keep proving you wrong and why survive is a complete scam. They can't turn off the comments here!

Do you think BladeForums should ban the reselling of Survive! products in order to reduce the availability in the secondhand market as well as reduce marketing?

 

[craytab]

Do you think BladeForums should ban the reselling of Survive! products in order to reduce the availability in the secondhand market as well as reduce marketing?

Do you think I'm going to give stupid questions from you the time of day with a serious answer?

Seems like you are just itching to answer that one yourself, sport. So let's hear it.

 

[AbjectTestament]

Do you think I'm going to give stupid questions from you the time of day with a serious answer?

I think you avoiding questions that make you uncomfortable to answer is weak.

Seems like you are just itching to answer that one yourself, sport. So let's hear it.

Case in point.

 

[braillediver]

The loss of this stuff will probably put back those orders for years.

How convenient. I saw 6 "Bad" blanks not $200,000 worth. They're cresting a Decade of Bad Luck and being let down by respected members of the industry.

I thought it was funny when he stops for a brewski. Kinda puts the severity and concern into perspective.

Enabler-

• a person who encourages or enables negative or self-destructive behavior in another.
  "being an enabler to an addict does more harm than good"

 

[craytab]

I think you avoiding questions that make you uncomfortable to answer is weak.

And why do you think that question would make me uncomfortable?

Case in point.

How so?

 

[Kraken Tactical Edc]

you mean this one?

a lot of warped blades..that must suck to receive such a bad batch of blanks

The blades are 'warped' because the sheets that the blanks were cut from most probably was warped and the blanks were cut and sent to heat treatment without checking the blanks. Then blame everyone else for their BS.

 

[AbjectTestament]

And why do you think that question would make me uncomfortable?

You think it's going to contaviene your take on buying from them means Survive "has to" keep scamming others.

How so?

You choose not to answer. Instead, you're deflecting by putting it on me to answer.

Let's circle back.

You said for me to keep getting my knives Survive has to scam others. If the "right thing to do" here is to not enable Survive further (which is what I assume your stance is) wouldn't using BladeForums as a vehicle to keep them in circulation likewise be enabling behavior?

Sure you could argue that having them available second-hand keeps money out of Survives pocket directly. Accurate. To that, I would counter circulating their knives keeps people interested and looking for more, and likely some pre-orders. It's also direct marketing for them.

 

[benchwarmer380]

You think it's going to contaviene your take on buying from them means Survive "has to" keep scamming others.

You choose not to answer. Instead, you're deflecting by putting it on me to answer.

Let's circle back.

You said for me to keep getting my knives Survive has to scam others. If the "right thing to do" here is to not enable Survive further (which is what I assume your stance is) wouldn't using BladeForums as a vehicle to keep them in circulation likewise be enabling behavior?

Sure you could argue that having them available second-hand keeps money out of Survives pocket directly. Accurate. To that, I would counter circulating their knives keeps people interested and looking for more, and likely some pre-orders. It's also direct marketing for them.

You do not understand the Exchange and are using it in an attempt to spread some of the culpability of the issues away from Survive and onto others. Who else has done that?

The Exchange is for private individuals to sell their stuff to other private individuals. So long as you have the proper membership, the rules are followed and are not selling illicit items, the forum has taken the stance that they should be as removed as possible from what goes on as the transactions are between two consenting adults. Banning certain knives because the maker/manufacturer ran a crappy business would not be in the spirit of the Exchange. Nor is their existence allowed on the Exchange an endorsement for said maker/manufacturer. To assume as much is ignorant.

If Survive wanted to do the right thing, they would have stopped taking preorders for knives that existed solely in CAD form and completed their outstanding orders from the past 7 years. But they keep selling preorders and 2nds with orders outstanding from 2015. Why?

 

[Insipid Moniker]

You think it's going to contaviene your take on buying from them means Survive "has to" keep scamming others.

You choose not to answer. Instead, you're deflecting by putting it on me to answer.

Let's circle back.

You said for me to keep getting my knives Survive has to scam others. If the "right thing to do" here is to not enable Survive further (which is what I assume your stance is) wouldn't using BladeForums as a vehicle to keep them in circulation likewise be enabling behavior?

Sure you could argue that having them available second-hand keeps money out of Survives pocket directly. Accurate. To that, I would counter circulating their knives keeps people interested and looking for more, and likely some pre-orders. It's also direct marketing for them.

Didn't you try to argue that people not seeking legal redress against Survive were enabling them, but now your position is that you directly ordering from them and talking positively about their knives isn't enabling? Sounds like you're just a weak hypocrite desperately trying to avoid taking any responsibility for your own actions.

 

[craytab]

You think it's going to contaviene your take on buying from them means Survive "has to" keep scamming others.

You choose not to answer. Instead, you're deflecting by putting it on me to answer.

Let's circle back.

You said for me to keep getting my knives Survive has to scam others. If the "right thing to do" here is to not enable Survive further (which is what I assume your stance is) wouldn't using BladeForums as a vehicle to keep them in circulation likewise be enabling behavior?

Sure you could argue that having them available second-hand keeps money out of Survives pocket directly. Accurate. To that, I would counter circulating their knives keeps people interested and looking for more, and likely some pre-orders. It's also direct marketing for them.

Hmm...

I'm not sure what "to contaviene" is. Perhaps you can explain.

I didn't answer your question because it is stupid, not because it made me uncomfortable. You still have not explained how me answering that question would be uncomfortable for me.

I'm fine with how the rules of the exchange are currently. If Spark will allow Striders to be sold he sure isn't going to ban survives. Seems like you are going down rabbit trail of banning things with that sort of thinking. What next? Ban talking about survive because that might promote them? Na, talking about them and allowing them on the exchange gives us the opportunity to see who stands where on this scamming scumbag of a company.

And yes, in order for you to get more new survive knives, they need to scam more people. You know this and continue to promote the company (guess what that makes you). Spark has wisely decided to not allow them to directly promote their business here. And further, the membership here has shunned them and their supporters when the topic comes up.

It is all working out nicely. Got anything else?

 

[ncrockclimb]

You think it's going to contaviene your take on buying from them means Survive "has to" keep scamming others.

You choose not to answer. Instead, you're deflecting by putting it on me to answer.

Let's circle back.

You said for me to keep getting my knives Survive has to scam others. If the "right thing to do" here is to not enable Survive further (which is what I assume your stance is) wouldn't using BladeForums as a vehicle to keep them in circulation likewise be enabling behavior?

Sure you could argue that having them available second-hand keeps money out of Survives pocket directly. Accurate. To that, I would counter circulating their knives keeps people interested and looking for more, and likely some pre-orders. It's also direct marketing for them.

Troll and a shill.

edit to add - S!K wants this thread to go away. S!K cannot make that happen. However, S!K fansbois can disrupt it. AbjectTestament is not here to add to the discussion. He is a troll and doing all he can to derail this thread.

 

[AbjectTestament]

You do not understand the Exchange and are using it in an attempt to spread some of the culpability of the issues away from Survive and onto others. Who else has done that?

Not at all.
Someone buying directly from Survive! is terrible and enables their continued ripping off of customers.
Someone selling their knives privately, and in the process of doing so contributing to their marketing and exposure, is fine.

It doesn't bother me any, just interesting watching the ethical gymnastics.

If Survive wanted to do the right thing, they would have stopped taking preorders for knives that existed solely in CAD form and completed their outstanding orders from the past 7 years. But they keep selling preorders and 2nds with orders outstanding from 2015. Why?

Suppose Survive! really screwed up their production projections and capabilities (accurate, right?) and it came down to a decision. If they stop taking pre-orders then they wouldn't have the money to finish their preorders and backlogs. If they keep taking pre-orders then they can eventually get them out.

Should they have stopped taking pre-orders and just gone bankrupt? Or should they keep taking money and dragging the cycle of pre-order and agonizingly slow production and delivery?

When faced with those two hard turns what's the ethical choice?